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Bomb attack on Oslo, Norway. At least 87 dead.

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Postby Hydesland » Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:27 pm

At times like these a part of me wishes Norway had the death penalty.

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Postby GraySoap » Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:30 pm

I don't think calling everyone who goes on a murdering steak insane does any help to actually understanding the motives behind such an event and preventing future incidents. That said, I hope he is insane.
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Postby New Freedomstan » Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:30 pm

Hydesland wrote:At times like these a part of me wishes Norway had the death penalty.

If he isn't locked up for life, he gets a de facto death penalty. Or if he is locked up, but not in solitary. I'd guess that also would be a de facto death penalty.

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Postby Christmahanikwanzikah » Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:35 pm

Has our friendly kneighborhood Knorwegian checked in yet?

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Postby Glorious Norway » Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:35 pm

New Freedomstan wrote:
Hydesland wrote:At times like these a part of me wishes Norway had the death penalty.

If he isn't locked up for life, he gets a de facto death penalty. Or if he is locked up, but not in solitary. I'd guess that also would be a de facto death penalty.


I don't think there is a lot of chance of him ever leaving prison.

He'll get '21 years with 'sikring''.

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Postby Robertsonstan » Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:38 pm

Greater Cabinda wrote:
Robertsonstan wrote:I just heard about this. What was the point of attacking Norway anyway?

Involvement in Afghanistan, involvement in Libya, domestic issues, etc.


Ok thank you for letting me know.
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Postby New Freedomstan » Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:39 pm

Robertsonstan wrote:
Greater Cabinda wrote:Involvement in Afghanistan, involvement in Libya, domestic issues, etc.


Ok thank you for letting me know.

It seems to have been because he thought the Labour Party (ie, the government) are to soft on muslims.

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Postby Serrland » Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:39 pm

My God, 80 youths? That makes me feel sick to my stomach... 10 was a tragedy, but 80? That news literally makes me nauseous...
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Postby Gauthier » Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:41 pm

New Freedomstan wrote:
Robertsonstan wrote:
Ok thank you for letting me know.

It seems to have been because he thought the Labour Party (ie, the government) are to soft on muslims.


If this is true, then boy is Sunny gonna have egg on his face even more. A murder spree that occurred because the government refused to go authoritarian on the country's Muslims? Hoo.
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Postby Derpusherpus » Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:45 pm

It's 04.41 AM in Norway. Someone's in for a shock in a few hours, when they wake up and hear the new kill count. There's probably even a lot more dead than is confirmed right now.
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Postby Veblenia » Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:48 pm

Derpusherpus wrote:
Mike the Progressive wrote:Christ Jesus, 80 kids? Damn, terrorists. Damn them to hell!

Unno if I'd call it terrorism, bro. I think the guy is just a psycho with a conviction.


First, there's no indication the shooter was also the bomber. Second, how is this not terrorism? A bomb was detonated outside a government building, and the members of the Labour Party youth wing were massacred. It's pretty straightforward political violence, possibly a group activity.
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Postby Mosasauria » Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:48 pm

Oh my god...
What could possibly be the motive for this?!
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Postby Paragade » Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:48 pm

Yeah I just heard a conservative who may have been a Neo-Nazi just shot up a summer camp that was being hosted by Norway's Labor Party so now the death toll is over 80 people.

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Postby Libera Patria » Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:51 pm

It's probably going to rise even more, too... I bet tomorrow we may be talking about over 100 casaulties :( Jesus fucking christ...
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Postby GraySoap » Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:51 pm

New Freedomstan wrote:It seems to have been because he thought the Labour Party (ie, the government) are to soft on muslims.

Source please? So far everything about this storing mentioned earlier has been, more or less wrong. First it was Muslim terrorists, then a gang of Neo-Nazis, and now just some guy who appears to have been very upset... about something.
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Postby Mosasauria » Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:51 pm

Paragade wrote:Yeah I just heard a conservative who may have been a Neo-Nazi just shot up a summer camp that was being hosted by Norway's Labor Party so now the death toll is over 80 people.

Source?
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Postby Derpusherpus » Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:51 pm

Mosasauria wrote:Oh my god...
What could possibly be the motive for this?!

Political convictions...
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Postby Glorious Norway » Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:52 pm

Veblenia wrote:
Derpusherpus wrote:Unno if I'd call it terrorism, bro. I think the guy is just a psycho with a conviction.


First, there's no indication the shooter was also the bomber. Second, how is this not terrorism? A bomb was detonated outside a government building, and the members of the Labour Party youth wing were massacred. It's pretty straightforward political violence, possibly a group activity.


Everything indicates that the shooter was also the bomber. Based on witness reports.

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Postby Grave_n_idle » Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:52 pm

Veblenia wrote:
Derpusherpus wrote:Unno if I'd call it terrorism, bro. I think the guy is just a psycho with a conviction.


First, there's no indication the shooter was also the bomber. Second, how is this not terrorism? A bomb was detonated outside a government building, and the members of the Labour Party youth wing were massacred. It's pretty straightforward political violence, possibly a group activity.


Violence and/or damage to property to attempt to institute change in the policy or behaviour of a government? Almost definitively 'terrorism', isn't it?
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Postby Romalae » Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:52 pm

What a horrible attack. An attack of this caliber is unjustifiable, ESPECIALLY to innocent non-adults. I wish there was something more I could do than just offer my condolences to the families of the victims. May the perpetrator(s) rot in hell.
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Postby Serrland » Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:53 pm

Mosasauria wrote:
Paragade wrote:Yeah I just heard a conservative who may have been a Neo-Nazi just shot up a summer camp that was being hosted by Norway's Labor Party so now the death toll is over 80 people.

Source?


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14259356

the neo-nazi bit is mostly conjecture based on information available.

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Postby Derpusherpus » Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:53 pm

Mosasauria wrote:
Paragade wrote:Yeah I just heard a conservative who may have been a Neo-Nazi just shot up a summer camp that was being hosted by Norway's Labor Party so now the death toll is over 80 people.

Source?

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"The worst outcrop of herd life is the military system, which I abhor. That a man can take pleasure in marching in fours to the strains of a band is enough to make me despise him. He has only been given his big brain by mistake; unprotected spinal marrow was all he needed. This plague-spot of civilization ought to be abolished with all possible speed. Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism - how passionately I hate them! How vile and despicable war seems to me! I would rather be hacked in pieces than take part in such an abominable business." -Albert Einstein

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Postby Glorious Norway » Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:54 pm

GraySoap wrote:
New Freedomstan wrote:It seems to have been because he thought the Labour Party (ie, the government) are to soft on muslims.

Source please? So far everything about this storing mentioned earlier has been, more or less wrong. First it was Muslim terrorists, then a gang of Neo-Nazis, and now just some guy who appears to have been very upset... about something.


The shooter has been apprehended. He's a self-proclaimed nationalist, possible ties to extreme right. He is most likely also the bomber.

His name is Anders Behring Breivik. Google it.

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Postby Kazomal » Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:54 pm

I'm sure this has been pointed out already, but I'd just like to give a big "fuck off" to everyone who commented with "fucking Moslumz!"
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Postby Tekania » Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:54 pm

Gauthier wrote:
New Freedomstan wrote:He is.
http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/arti ... me_oneline
Says there that he had... quite extreme views against islam, and against multiculturalism.


A Muslim hating nationalist goes on a killing spree and Sunny goes quiet. Coincidence?


Right-Wing Nationalist Terrorists are sympathetic to his world-view. As he's already taken his early knee-jerk (emphasis on the jerk) reaction to blame this terrorist act on Islamic extremism; his job here is done.
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