Bomb attack on Oslo, Norway. At least 87 dead.

by **Germanic Templars** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 3:54 pm

Why do you people care if the person responsible was Muslim or Christian, all that matters is that good people are dead because of the actions carried out by a single moron.

by **Kapellen** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 3:54 pm

Vestr-Norig wrote:
Dakini wrote:Yeah... he's a Christian, he just has to ask for forgiveness and then he's forgiven, remember?

I am Christian too, I do not believe that it is that simple. What he did is unforgivable, no matter his case or insanity. He wil not be met by
St. Peter at the Pearly gates, only the devil will let him in to his empire, and there he shall stay in all eternity

Well, I almost wish I could believe such things today... I also feel the need for justice. This devil-idea almost seems comforting.
But right now I'm more interested in the justice of the Norwegian legal system. Is it right that for terrorist attacks the maximum penalty in Norway is 21 years?

by **Dakini** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 3:54 pm

Vestr-Norig wrote:
Dakini wrote:And according to your own theology, you don't get to judge where he goes.

Also, remove the plank from your own eye before removing the mote from your brother's yadda yadda...

Oh, also, according to the Bible, the devil isn't in charge of hell, he's a prisoner too.

I know, only God can judge him. This is only what I hope wil happen, even though I know hoping this is wrong.

You think that hoping someone is tortured for eternity for the mistakes they made in one day is wrong?

No fucking shit.

by **Sunny Marionette** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 3:54 pm

Vestr-Norig wrote:
Dakini wrote:And according to your own theology, you don't get to judge where he goes.

Also, remove the plank from your own eye before removing the mote from your brother's yadda yadda...

Oh, also, according to the Bible, the devil isn't in charge of hell, he's a prisoner too.

I know, only God can judge him. This is only what I hope wil happen, even though I know hoping this is wrong.

Then stop hoping otherwise you might end up in the same place, eh?

by **Sunny Marionette** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 3:55 pm

Kapellen wrote:
Vestr-Norig wrote:
I am Christian too, I do not believe that it is that simple. What he did is unforgivable, no matter his case or insanity. He wil not be met by
St. Peter at the Pearly gates, only the devil will let him in to his empire, and there he shall stay in all eternity

Well, I almost wish I could believe such things today... I also feel the need for justice. This devil-idea almost seems comforting.
But right now I'm more interested in the justice of the Norwegian legal system. Is it right that for terrorist attacks the maximum penalty in Norway is 21 years?

But couldn't they instead prosecute him for each individual murder, or at least enough to get him life in prison?

by **Dakini** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 3:55 pm

Kapellen wrote:
Vestr-Norig wrote:
I am Christian too, I do not believe that it is that simple. What he did is unforgivable, no matter his case or insanity. He wil not be met by
St. Peter at the Pearly gates, only the devil will let him in to his empire, and there he shall stay in all eternity

Well, I almost wish I could believe such things today... I also feel the need for justice. This devil-idea almost seems comforting.
But right now I'm more interested in the justice of the Norwegian legal system. Is it right that for terrorist attacks the maximum penalty in Norway is 21 years?

I would assume that he'd get a giant pile of consecutive murder counts.

by **Vecherd** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 3:57 pm

Derpusherpus wrote:
Vecherd wrote:
Im trying, I dont think Ive seen the person but I think I have seen the name a couple of times.

Did you play the first months after Cata hit? I know he was active back then, when I played.

Yes, very heavily too.

by **Derpusherpus** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 3:58 pm

Vecherd wrote:
Derpusherpus wrote:Did you play the first months after Cata hit? I know he was active back then, when I played.

Yes, very heavily too.

On Silvermoon?? I know I recognized his name immediately.

Anyways http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic ... ?page=2#25

by **Vecherd** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 3:59 pm

Derpusherpus wrote:
Vecherd wrote:
Yes, very heavily too.

On Silvermoon?? I know I recognized his name immediately.

Anyways http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic ... ?page=2#25

Yes, yes on Silvermoon.

by **Kapellen** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 4:03 pm

Dakini wrote:
Kapellen wrote:
Well, I almost wish I could believe such things today... I also feel the need for justice. This devil-idea almost seems comforting.
But right now I'm more interested in the justice of the Norwegian legal system. Is it right that for terrorist attacks the maximum penalty in Norway is 21 years?

I would assume that he'd get a giant pile of consecutive murder counts.

Well, I was thinking the same thing. But I was just asking. Does a 'pile of consecutive murders' work in Norway? It doesn't in all countries! I'm not from Norway, so I don't know. It's even possible that there never were any 'consecutive murders' in Norway before, at least not in this degree?
Any experts on the Norwegian legal system here?

by **Derpusherpus** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 4:10 pm

Vecherd wrote:
Derpusherpus wrote:On Silvermoon?? I know I recognized his name immediately.

Anyways http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic ... ?page=2#25

Yes, yes on Silvermoon.

Hmm, I may be exaggerating his in-game fame, but I'm pretty sure I saw him in trade chat as well. I spent a lot of time on the forum as well as playing so I read a lot of his posts, including http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic ... 585?page=1 when it was created.

by **Ifreann** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 4:15 pm

Dakini wrote:
Vestr-Norig wrote:
Indeed it is. Let us only hope he will be severely punished, if not on this eart, at least he will burn in all eternity in hell, while the devil grabs out his intestines with his bare hands, while chewing on them raw, putting them back in again and then doing it all over again, while that bastard is looking at it happen. May he rest in hell!

Yeah... he's a Christian, he just has to ask for forgiveness and then he's forgiven, remember?

It's not quite so simple. To be forgiven a mortal sin, you have to honestly be remorseful for your actions. It's not enough to say sorry, you have to actually be sorry. Or so I was taught. And it's difficult to imagine how someone could do such terrible things and actually be capable of feeling sorry about it.

by **New Freedomstan** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 4:15 pm

Kapellen wrote:
Dakini wrote:I would assume that he'd get a giant pile of consecutive murder counts.

Well, I was thinking the same thing. But I was just asking. Does a 'pile of consecutive murders' work in Norway? It doesn't in all countries! I'm not from Norway, so I don't know. It's even possible that there never were any 'consecutive murders' in Norway before, at least not in this degree?
Any experts on the Norwegian legal system here?

It doesn't. Let's hope he tries to plead insanity. That is the most effective method of locking him up for life, and it's worse than prison. He can be punished to 21 + "sikring" (security?). That means that once the 21 years is up, the court may judge wether or not he is safe for society. Then he is locked up for 5 more years, and another court etc. I'm no expert on the legal stuff though.

by **Lackadaisical2** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 4:18 pm

Vestr-Norig wrote:Hah, I knew it! Hes not a nationalist at all, hes a pan-Europeanist. He doesnt give a shit (sorry for expressing it that way) about Norway, it's only Europe, Europe and again Europe he cares about. Europe and anti-islamification.
http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/norge/1.7724781

Damn pan-europeanists! /sarcasm

by **Florin and Atlantis** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 4:20 pm

Derpusherpus wrote:
Vecherd wrote:
Yes, yes on Silvermoon.

Hmm, I may be exaggerating his in-game fame, but I'm pretty sure I saw him in trade chat as well. I spent a lot of time on the forum as well as playing so I read a lot of his posts, including http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic ... 585?page=1 when it was created.

I can see it now in the news...

WORLD OF WARCRAFT! ONLINE ROLE-PLAYING GAME......OR TERRORIST TRAINING CAMP???!!!!!

by **Johz** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 4:23 pm

Vestr-Norig wrote:
Dakini wrote:And according to your own theology, you don't get to judge where he goes.

Also, remove the plank from your own eye before removing the mote from your brother's yadda yadda...

Oh, also, according to the Bible, the devil isn't in charge of hell, he's a prisoner too.

I know, only God can judge him. This is only what I hope wil happen, even though I know hoping this is wrong.

And according to the Holy Bible, Satan was sent by God to rule over hell. I know he would rather stay in Heaven, though

He gets cast into hell in Revelation, bound by seven chains, and is generally sentenced to eternal damnation. Your picture of Hell is quite a Catholic one, drawing heavily on Medeval orthodoxy.
/ChristianGeek

I'm no expert on Norwegian law, but I'm fairly sure that he can be charged with multiple counts of an action. I suspect there is a Norwegian life sentence of some description.

I am truly shocked. It brings Sun Aut Ex's comments at the start of the thread into a certain state of poigniancy. Particularly this one:

Sun Aut Ex wrote:
Norse Scandinavia wrote:Not good, not good ...

It's fantastic, actually. Not that I want people to die, but I think that the West needs to be attacked in order to finally realise that they're at war.

by **Johz** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 4:28 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Dakini wrote:Yeah... he's a Christian, he just has to ask for forgiveness and then he's forgiven, remember?

It's not quite so simple. To be forgiven a mortal sin, you have to honestly be remorseful for your actions. It's not enough to say sorry, you have to actually be sorry. Or so I was taught. And it's difficult to imagine how someone could do such terrible things and actually be capable of feeling sorry about it.

Well if you're going to seperate Venial and Mortal sins, then Mortal sins should be repented of to a priest, and require some sort of penance to pay off. Usually rosary beads and a bit of money. Venial sins can also be confessed to a priest, but don't matter as much. Indeed, they won't even interfere with you heavenly life, except for adding a couple of years to your purgatory clock.

by **Vestr-Norig** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 4:39 pm

Johz wrote:
Vestr-Norig wrote:
I know, only God can judge him. This is only what I hope wil happen, even though I know hoping this is wrong.

And according to the Holy Bible, Satan was sent by God to rule over hell. I know he would rather stay in Heaven, though

He gets cast into hell in Revelation, bound by seven chains, and is generally sentenced to eternal damnation. Your picture of Hell is quite a Catholic one, drawing heavily on Medeval orthodoxy.
/ChristianGeek

I know. I do not believe hell is exactly like this, maybe not like this at all. I do not think it is possible to imagine for a human being how hell is like, but this is how hell is usually described, so people use to stick to this theory, even though they (and I) know it is douptful that it is like that.

by **Dakini** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 4:39 pm

Vestr-Norig wrote:And according to the Holy Bible, Satan was sent by God to rule over hell. I know he would rather stay in Heaven, though

I missed the edit. Care to cite the verse where it says that Satan was sent by God to rule over hell? I'm pretty sure it's not actually in there...

by **Gravlen** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 4:39 pm

Kapellen wrote:
Dakini wrote:I would assume that he'd get a giant pile of consecutive murder counts.

Well, I was thinking the same thing. But I was just asking. Does a 'pile of consecutive murders' work in Norway? It doesn't in all countries! I'm not from Norway, so I don't know. It's even possible that there never were any 'consecutive murders' in Norway before, at least not in this degree?
Any experts on the Norwegian legal system here?

He faces a maximum of 21 years in prison. This is the maximum penalty under the penal code.

He may, however, be sentenced to preventive detention if a prison sentence for a specific term is deemed to be insufficient to protect society. There needs to be an imminent risk that the person again will commit a serious violent felony for this reaction to be applicable. If he is sentenced to a preventive detention he can in theory remain locked up for the rest of his life, and there will be a sort of parole hearing after a predetermined time, usually 15 years but in special circumstances after 21 years.

For his acts of terrorism the prosecution will likely seek a preventive detention with a minimum time of 21 years.

by **Lackadaisical2** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 4:39 pm

Dakini wrote:
Vestr-Norig wrote:
Indeed it is. Let us only hope he will be severely punished, if not on this eart, at least he will burn in all eternity in hell, while the devil grabs out his intestines with his bare hands, while chewing on them raw, putting them back in again and then doing it all over again, while that bastard is looking at it happen. May he rest in hell!

Yeah... he's a Christian, he just has to ask for forgiveness and then he's forgiven, remember?

If by 'asking' you mean real repentance and a determined effort not to have it happen again... yes.

by **Derpusherpus** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 4:41 pm

Florin and Atlantis wrote:
Derpusherpus wrote:Hmm, I may be exaggerating his in-game fame, but I'm pretty sure I saw him in trade chat as well. I spent a lot of time on the forum as well as playing so I read a lot of his posts, including http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic ... 585?page=1 when it was created.

I can see it now in the news...

WORLD OF WARCRAFT! ONLINE ROLE-PLAYING GAME......OR TERRORIST TRAINING CAMP???!!!!!

If Fox News is gonna milk that cow they won't reveal his character's name. :blush:

by **Dakini** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 4:42 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Dakini wrote:Yeah... he's a Christian, he just has to ask for forgiveness and then he's forgiven, remember?

It's not quite so simple. To be forgiven a mortal sin, you have to honestly be remorseful for your actions. It's not enough to say sorry, you have to actually be sorry. Or so I was taught. And it's difficult to imagine how someone could do such terrible things and actually be capable of feeling sorry about it.

I'm not sure why he wouldn't be capable of feeling sorry about it eventually.

by **Dakini** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 4:45 pm

Vestr-Norig wrote:
Johz wrote:He gets cast into hell in Revelation, bound by seven chains, and is generally sentenced to eternal damnation. Your picture of Hell is quite a Catholic one, drawing heavily on Medeval orthodoxy.
/ChristianGeek

I know. I do not believe hell is exactly like this, maybe not like this at all. I do not think it is possible to imagine for a human being how hell is like, but this is how hell is usually described, so people use to stick to this theory, even though they (and I) know it is douptful that it is like that.

It doesn't really matter because it's entirely made up, but that doesn't mean you get to correct non-Christians who have read the Bible when you're wrong about its contents.

by **Vestr-Norig** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 4:46 pm

Dakini wrote:
Vestr-Norig wrote:And according to the Holy Bible, Satan was sent by God to rule over hell. I know he would rather stay in Heaven, though

I missed the edit. Care to cite the verse where it says that Satan was sent by God to rule over hell? I'm pretty sure it's not actually in there...

I'm sorry, I cannot say that I wrote was what is written in the Holy Bible. This is how I remember it, when I learned about it as a kid, I may have remembered it wrong, you are probably right :blush:

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