Bomb attack on Oslo, Norway. At least 87 dead.

by **Ithadi** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 2:10 pm

We were in an airport when this happened and saw it on the screens and walked over to the flight to Oslo and saw everyone crowded around the TV and some people were crying. Surprised the flight wasn't cancelled. I thought at first the dead was going to be numbered at around 17. But now it's at 90. Wow...that's just crazy for a shooter to do. My heart goes out to the people of Norway.

by **Kapellen** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 2:15 pm

Serrland wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:
And yet, if he was a Muslim, or a communist, or an anarchist, or a separatist... would you be trying to divorce the crime from the ideals?

Aye. Ideologies don't kill. It's simple. People kill.

Question: can there be a war between country A and country B? Or is it just people shooting and bombing each other?

by **Kapellen** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 2:19 pm

Vecherd wrote:Anders Breivik made a movie and downloaded it to youtube yesterday.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQOfH8Dj1mw

He also have made a book about what he has done.
http://www.sharepdfbooks.com/3TZOU0V52W6B/2083_-_A_European_Declaration_of_Independence.pdf.html

Well, what can I say? A very strange combination of ideas... I think he spend too much time visiting all the wrong forums on the internet.
(If this is really his?)

by **Vecherd** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 2:21 pm

Kapellen wrote:
Vecherd wrote:Anders Breivik made a movie and downloaded it to youtube yesterday.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQOfH8Dj1mw

He also have made a book about what he has done.
http://www.sharepdfbooks.com/3TZOU0V52W6B/2083_-_A_European_Declaration_of_Independence.pdf.html

Well, what can I say? A very strange combination of ideas... I think he spend too much time visiting all the wrong forums on the internet.
(If this is really his?)

It is, he also have written about everything he has done before the explosion. Many Norwegian newspapers have already reported about it.

by **Serrland** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 2:26 pm

Kapellen wrote:
Serrland wrote:
Aye. Ideologies don't kill. It's simple. People kill.

Question: can there be a war between country A and country B? Or is it just people shooting and bombing each other?

A war is a clash between entities, not ideologies. Entities can sometimes represent ideologies, but not always.

by **Vestr-Norig** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 2:27 pm

Vecherd wrote:
Kapellen wrote:
Well, what can I say? A very strange combination of ideas... I think he spend too much time visiting all the wrong forums on the internet.
(If this is really his?)

It is, he also have written about everything he has done before the explosion. Many Norwegian newspapers have already reported about it.

I have read a bit about him, his past, his behavior on the newspapers internet pages. He seems like a calm, kind and tolerant man. How can somebody like that do such a think? It is utterly disgusting, if not also extremely scary too, that anyone could do such an action

by **Keronians** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 2:30 pm

Vestr-Norig wrote:
Vecherd wrote:
It is, he also have written about everything he has done before the explosion. Many Norwegian newspapers have already reported about it.

I have read a bit about him, his past, his behavior on the newspapers internet pages. He seems like a calm, kind and tolerant man. How can somebody like that do such a think? It is utterly disgusting, if not also extremely scary too, that anyone could do such an action

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQOfH8Dj1mw

The above didn't seem very tolerant.

by **Vecherd** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 2:32 pm

Keronians wrote:
Vestr-Norig wrote:
I have read a bit about him, his past, his behavior on the newspapers internet pages. He seems like a calm, kind and tolerant man. How can somebody like that do such a think? It is utterly disgusting, if not also extremely scary too, that anyone could do such an action

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQOfH8Dj1mw

The above didn't seem very tolerant.

It is already taken down mate..

by **Vestr-Norig** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 2:35 pm

Keronians wrote:
Vestr-Norig wrote:
I have read a bit about him, his past, his behavior on the newspapers internet pages. He seems like a calm, kind and tolerant man. How can somebody like that do such a think? It is utterly disgusting, if not also extremely scary too, that anyone could do such an action

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQOfH8Dj1mw

The above didn't seem very tolerant.

The video aboe was removed.
The place he worked was a multicultural buisness, with people from many nations. He also had a comrade from the middle east

by **Keronians** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 2:35 pm

Vecherd wrote:
Keronians wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQOfH8Dj1mw

The above didn't seem very tolerant.

It is already taken down mate..

Ooh, well, I'll thank you for posting it. I had enough time to watch it.

On second thought, I don't know whether that was a good thing or a bad one.

by **Keronians** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 2:36 pm

Vestr-Norig wrote:
Keronians wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQOfH8Dj1mw

The above didn't seem very tolerant.

The video aboe was removed.
The place he worked was a multicultural buisness, with people from many nations. He also had a comrade from the middle east

That doesn't mean anything. A person can be racist and have black friends.

by **Alyakia** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 2:37 pm

Keronians wrote:
Vestr-Norig wrote:
I have read a bit about him, his past, his behavior on the newspapers internet pages. He seems like a calm, kind and tolerant man. How can somebody like that do such a think? It is utterly disgusting, if not also extremely scary too, that anyone could do such an action

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQOfH8Dj1mw

The above didn't seem very tolerant.

Is that supposed to be a Knights Templar Trailer? :eyebrow:

by **Derpusherpus** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 2:38 pm

Anyone know of any mirrors of the Youtube video?

by **Keronians** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 2:39 pm

Alyakia wrote:
Keronians wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQOfH8Dj1mw

The above didn't seem very tolerant.

Is that supposed to be a Knights Templar Trailer?

It was horrifying. Such delusion... such intolerance...

It was a video the gunman posted last month.

by **Kapellen** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 2:42 pm

Vestr-Norig wrote:
Keronians wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQOfH8Dj1mw

The above didn't seem very tolerant.

The video aboe was removed.
The place he worked was a multicultural buisness, with people from many nations. He also had a comrade from the middle east

Title of the movie: Knights Templar 2083
New link:
http://geraldcelentechannel.blogspot.co ... ights.html
Lots of nonsense; if you want to get in the guy's head (but why would you?) go to the last minutes.

by **Keronians** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 2:44 pm

Kapellen wrote:
Vestr-Norig wrote:
The video aboe was removed.
The place he worked was a multicultural buisness, with people from many nations. He also had a comrade from the middle east

Title of the movie: Knights Templar 2083
New link:
http://geraldcelentechannel.blogspot.co ... ights.html
Lots of nonsense; if you want to get in the guy's head (but why would you?) go to the last minutes.

Congratulations. You just became the third guy to make me laugh today.

by **Vellosia** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 2:48 pm

It's weird.

One of his best friends and work-out companion was from the Middle East and he seems to have been one of those nice people at school - helped out those who were being bullied and so on.

And then he turned into this. Who would've guessed?

by **Derpusherpus** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 2:54 pm

Kapellen wrote:
Vestr-Norig wrote:
The video aboe was removed.
The place he worked was a multicultural buisness, with people from many nations. He also had a comrade from the middle east

Title of the movie: Knights Templar 2083
New link:
http://geraldcelentechannel.blogspot.co ... ights.html
Lots of nonsense; if you want to get in the guy's head (but why would you?) go to the last minutes.

Wow, the guy was Christian fundie as fuck.

by **Vecherd** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 3:02 pm

From twitter "Seven year old children had summer jobs collecting bottles at Utøya. At least two reported killed. #osloexpl"

Ill go source-hunt.

by **Derpusherpus** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 3:05 pm

Kapellen wrote:http://www.sharepdfbooks.com/3TZOU0V52W6B/2083_-_A_European_Declaration_of_Independence.pdf.html

Look at the nice stock photos at the end of the PDF file. I wonder if he did this to promote that book... It sure as hell has worked.

by **Vecherd** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 3:06 pm

Vecherd wrote:From twitter "Seven year old children had summer jobs collecting bottles at Utøya. At least two reported killed. #osloexpl"

Ill go source-hunt.

Norwegian source. It is indeed true.

http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/oslobomben/artikkel.php?artid=10080673

by **Grave_n_idle** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 3:07 pm

Derpusherpus wrote:
Kapellen wrote:
Title of the movie: Knights Templar 2083
New link:
http://geraldcelentechannel.blogspot.co ... ights.html
Lots of nonsense; if you want to get in the guy's head (but why would you?) go to the last minutes.

Wow, the guy was Christian fundie as fuck.

Kinda sounds like some Christians are being radicalised and militantised... what's the Christian equivalent of Jihadi?

by **Alyakia** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 3:08 pm

Grave_n_idle wrote:
Derpusherpus wrote:Wow, the guy was Christian fundie as fuck.

Kinda sounds like some Christians are being radicalised and militantised... what's the Christian equivalent of Jihadi?

Crusader? Or do we need to find a fancier word?

by **Keronians** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 3:08 pm

Grave_n_idle wrote:
Derpusherpus wrote:Wow, the guy was Christian fundie as fuck.

Kinda sounds like some Christians are being radicalised and militantised... what's the Christian equivalent of Jihadi?

I dunno. Ask SAE.

by **Keronians** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 3:11 pm

The attacker has described his actions as "atrocious but necessary", and has said that he can explain himself in court on Monday.

Saw it on BBC.

Bomb attack on Oslo, Norway. At least 87 dead.

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