Bomb attack on Oslo, Norway. At least 87 dead.

[Dakini]

Now I remember why I try to avoid General. It's because when somebody perverts the beliefs of a group, more often then not a religious group, all the self-justified atheists come out of the woodwork and use it as an argument against religion.

This guy would've gone on his little massacre even if he wasn't a self-professed Christian. Reason being, he launched this attack because of his political beliefs. Not his religious ones.

Right, how did Dakini argue against religion? She's pointing out that no Christian lives up to the ideals they allegedly follow. And to be honest, the best Christians are the ones that realize that and try to do the best they can anyway instead of shifting the blame.

Precisely.

[AlexJacobii]

Now I remember why I try to avoid General. It's because when somebody perverts the beliefs of a group, more often then not a religious group, all the self-justified atheists come out of the woodwork and use it as an argument against religion.

This guy would've gone on his little massacre even if he wasn't a self-professed Christian. Reason being, he launched this attack because of his political beliefs. Not his religious ones.

So what charity are you doing for the families of this tragedy?

You don't have to be Christian to do charity you know.

[Dakini]

Ok... that doesn't make him less of a Christian or less of an extremist Christian. Who are you to tell this man that he's lacking in his professed faith? Judge not lest ye be judged; what kind of true Christian are you?

He's not a true Christian simply because he went against the Ten Commandments and much more.

*sigh*

Every Christian does something that's advised against in the Bible. Christians lie, Christians cheat on their spouses, Christians covet their neighbour's possessions, Christians judge others, Christians become rich. Nobody gives a shit about Christians being un-Christian until they do something really atrocious and then they throw up a "they're not a true Christian" fence. Part of being a Christian is realizing that you're always going to fall short. It also means realizing that everyone will always fall short.

[Greed and Death]

Now I remember why I try to avoid General. It's because when somebody perverts the beliefs of a group, more often then not a religious group, all the self-justified atheists come out of the woodwork and use it as an argument against religion.

This guy would've gone on his little massacre even if he wasn't a self-professed Christian. Reason being, he launched this attack because of his political beliefs. Not his religious ones.

So what charity are you doing for the families of this tragedy?

I am running a charity send me your checks.

[Shayastan]

I'm guessing that the attack is not going to be labelled a 'terrorist attack' as it was done by a Right wing Christian Extremist.

[Keronians]

He's not a true Christian simply because he went against the Ten Commandments and much more.

*sigh*

Every Christian does something that's advised against in the Bible. Christians lie, Christians cheat on their spouses, Christians covet their neighbour's possessions, Christians judge others, Christians become rich. Nobody gives a shit about Christians being un-Christian until they do something really atrocious and then they throw up a "they're not a true Christian" fence. Part of being a Christian is realizing that you're always going to fall short. It also means realizing that everyone will always fall short.

Alright... I still don't see how that undermines my post.

Part of being a Christian is knowing that you're going to fall short? OK. Part of being a Christian is condemning terrorism as well, and making it clear that Christianity is against terrorism, and that massacring human beings is one of the biggest no-no's.

[Dakini]

*sigh*

Every Christian does something that's advised against in the Bible. Christians lie, Christians cheat on their spouses, Christians covet their neighbour's possessions, Christians judge others, Christians become rich. Nobody gives a shit about Christians being un-Christian until they do something really atrocious and then they throw up a "they're not a true Christian" fence. Part of being a Christian is realizing that you're always going to fall short. It also means realizing that everyone will always fall short.

Alright... I still don't see how that undermines my post.

Part of being a Christian is knowing that you're going to fall short? OK. Part of being a Christian is condemning terrorism as well, and making it clear that Christianity is against terrorism, and that massacring human beings is one of the biggest no-no's.

Where does it say in the Bible to condemn anyone? The Bible very clearly states "Judge not lest ye be judged". This seems to indicate that one should never condemn anyone.

And also, the biggest no-no in Christianity is not believing that Jesus is your saviour. That is the only unforgiveable sin.

[Promisance]

Official sources and social media indicate that Breivik might be a right-wing Christian fundamentalist who may have had an issue with Norway's multi-cultural society. The attack may have been politically motivated, one official said.

"I think what we have seen today is that politically motivated violence poses a threat to society and I commend the police for carrying out a very swift and effective investigation, but that is still ongoing," Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Store told reporters.

Source: http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/07 ... ?hpt=hp_t1

Soooo... MIGHT be a christian fundamentalist = DEFINITELY IS A GODDAMN CHRISTIAN. Is that how it works? Oh, ok.

Also, notice what the Foreign Minister said: "...is that POLITICALLY MOTIVATED violence..."

Nothing to do with religion. I love how the western apologists/atheists/islam defenders/christianity persecutors like to jump all over this and twist things. Way to keep it small minded and bigoted, guys.

[Keronians]

Alright... I still don't see how that undermines my post.

Part of being a Christian is knowing that you're going to fall short? OK. Part of being a Christian is condemning terrorism as well, and making it clear that Christianity is against terrorism, and that massacring human beings is one of the biggest no-no's.

Where does it say in the Bible to condemn anyone? The Bible very clearly states "Judge not lest ye be judged". This seems to indicate that one should never condemn anyone.

And also, the biggest no-no in Christianity is not believing that Jesus is your saviour. That is the only unforgiveable sin.

Fair point. I can do the condemning, and Christianity can make it clear that being a terrorist is against the Bible.

[Dakini]

I'm guessing that the attack is not going to be labelled a 'terrorist attack' as it was done by a Right wing Christian Extremist.

This is Norway, not the US.

[Greater Cabinda]

Alright... I still don't see how that undermines my post.

Part of being a Christian is knowing that you're going to fall short? OK. Part of being a Christian is condemning terrorism as well, and making it clear that Christianity is against terrorism, and that massacring human beings is one of the biggest no-no's.

Where does it say in the Bible to condemn anyone? The Bible very clearly states "Judge not lest ye be judged". This seems to indicate that one should never condemn anyone.

And also, the biggest no-no in Christianity is not believing that Jesus is your saviour. That is the only unforgiveable sin.

Actually, denying the Holy Spirit^TM is the only unforgivable sin.

[Angleter]

Alright... I still don't see how that undermines my post.

Part of being a Christian is knowing that you're going to fall short? OK. Part of being a Christian is condemning terrorism as well, and making it clear that Christianity is against terrorism, and that massacring human beings is one of the biggest no-no's.

Where does it say in the Bible to condemn anyone? The Bible very clearly states "Judge not lest ye be judged". This seems to indicate that one should never condemn anyone.

And also, the biggest no-no in Christianity is not believing that Jesus is your saviour. That is the only unforgiveable sin.

No, the only unforgivable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

[Laerod]

Alright... I still don't see how that undermines my post.

Quite simply the fact that there is no such thing as a real true Christian that adheres to everything they're supposed to. Doing really bad things doesn't make you non-christian, it makes you a bad christian. Going and stating "Yeah, well, he was never one of us" is a cop-out that avoids looking at potentially uncomfortable truths.

[Dakini]

Where does it say in the Bible to condemn anyone? The Bible very clearly states "Judge not lest ye be judged". This seems to indicate that one should never condemn anyone.

And also, the biggest no-no in Christianity is not believing that Jesus is your saviour. That is the only unforgiveable sin.

Fair point. I can do the condemning, and Christianity can make it clear that being a terrorist is against the Bible.

And I can still point out that all Christians fall short of the glory of their god and that according to their book, one sin is just as bad as any other and they will all be taken away when one asks for forgiveness according to their text. So going on a murder spree doesn't make this man less of a Christian. Ceasing to believe in Jesus would make him less of a Christian.

[Dakini]

Where does it say in the Bible to condemn anyone? The Bible very clearly states "Judge not lest ye be judged". This seems to indicate that one should never condemn anyone.

And also, the biggest no-no in Christianity is not believing that Jesus is your saviour. That is the only unforgiveable sin.

No, the only unforgivable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

Actually, denying the Holy Spirit^TM is the only unforgivable sin.

...which is basically denying the Son (or as this site puts it, a state of continued disbelief).

[Laerod]

Soooo... MIGHT be a christian fundamentalist = DEFINITELY IS A GODDAMN CHRISTIAN. Is that how it works? Oh, ok.

Yes. That is how it works. Both bad and good Christians are subsets of the larger group called Christians.

Also, notice what the Foreign Minister said: "...is that POLITICALLY MOTIVATED violence..."

Nothing to do with religion. I love how the western apologists/atheists/islam defenders/christianity persecutors like to jump all over this and twist things. Way to keep it small minded and bigoted, guys.

What? The fact that muslims have been blamed since the very first post after the OP slipped your mind? Kievan Prussia opened that can of worms, so stop shifting the blame.

[Keronians]

Fair point. I can do the condemning, and Christianity can make it clear that being a terrorist is against the Bible.

And I can still point out that all Christians fall short of the glory of their god and that according to their book, one sin is just as bad as any other and they will all be taken away when one asks for forgiveness according to their text. So going on a murder spree doesn't make this man less of a Christian. Ceasing to believe in Jesus Holy Spirit would make him less of a Christian.

Fixed.

Now, I haven't seen him confess or ask for forgiveness.

[Tekania]

No, the only unforgivable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

...which is basically denying the Son.

No it basically isn't. It's basically attributing the work of the Holy Spirit to Satan... "Denying Christ" is in fact forgivable... If it weren't, then it would be impossible for people to become Christians.

[Dakini]

And I can still point out that all Christians fall short of the glory of their god and that according to their book, one sin is just as bad as any other and they will all be taken away when one asks for forgiveness according to their text. So going on a murder spree doesn't make this man less of a Christian. Ceasing to believe in Jesus Holy Spirit would make him less of a Christian.

Fixed.

Now, I haven't seen him confess or ask for forgiveness.

What kind of Christian were you raised as?

For those of us who weren't raised Catholic (or at least those raised in the specific branch I was raised in) you don't have to confess or ask forgiveness from man. You confess and ask forgiveness in prayer. You also take the correct punishment for your crime.

[Keronians]

Fixed.

Now, I haven't seen him confess or ask for forgiveness.

What kind of Christian were you raised as?

For those of us who weren't raised Catholic (or at least those raised in the specific branch I was raised in) you don't have to confess or ask forgiveness from man. You confess and ask forgiveness in prayer. You also take the correct punishment for your crime.

The Hindu kind of Christian.

[Medok]

Just stupidity.

How could this asshole do something like this?

[Dakini]

...which is basically denying the Son.

No it basically isn't. It's basically attributing the work of the Holy Spirit to Satan... "Denying Christ" is in fact forgivable... If it weren't, then it would be impossible for people to become Christians.

Yeah... which is why it's the state of continual disbelief, not temporary disbelief.

You kids didn't pay much attention in Sunday school, did you?

[Dakini]

What kind of Christian were you raised as?

For those of us who weren't raised Catholic (or at least those raised in the specific branch I was raised in) you don't have to confess or ask forgiveness from man. You confess and ask forgiveness in prayer. You also take the correct punishment for your crime.

The Hindu kind of Christian.

Ah, fair enough (my apologies). Only some branches of Christians believe you have to do confession through an intermediate (like a priest), many believe you can pray directly and be forgiven.

[Serrland]

Fair point. I can do the condemning, and Christianity can make it clear that being a terrorist is against the Bible.

And I can still point out that all Christians fall short of the glory of their god and that according to their book, one sin is just as bad as any other and they will all be taken away when one asks for forgiveness according to their text. So going on a murder spree doesn't make this man less of a Christian. Ceasing to believe in Jesus would make him less of a Christian.

That's a mighty big assumption you make when you say that one sin is just as bad as any other - hundreds of millions of Christians would disagree.

[Grant Park]

Odd this becoming a Christian apologist thread. Religions don't kill people, people kill people. Mourn the dead and put the shooter away for life. And don't invade anyone!