Bomb attack on Oslo, Norway. At least 87 dead.

[AlexJacobii]

According to wikipedia the death toll is up to 92 now.

[Osterveim]

I will pray that everything turns out Ok in the end and for the souls of the dead.

[Camicon]

Maybe because it's true. Part of being a Christian involves living the way that Jesus taught you. I don't believe he taught people to massacre 92 innocent strangers for shits-and-giggles.

Living the way Jesus taught you would also mean renouncing your possessions and devoting your life to helping those less fortunate.

Most people don't live the way Jesus taught, yet you're probably happy to call most people who claim to be Christians what they claim to be. You only refuse in this case because you disagree with how he failed to act like Jesus.

Also, no true Scotsman fallacy etc.

Now I remember why I try to avoid General. It's because when somebody perverts the beliefs of a group, more often then not a religious group, all the self-justified atheists come out of the woodwork and use it as an argument against religion.

This guy would've gone on his little massacre even if he wasn't a self-professed Christian. Reason being, he launched this attack because of his political beliefs. Not his religious ones.

[Laerod]

Well, one can still be an anti-nazi...neo-nazi if he applies all of the racialist supremacist values of National Socialism to his own (instead of the German) nation, and views the historical German occupiers as just another wave of those foreign savages his pure-blooded fatherland had to defend itself against.

Of course, one wouldn't be hanging up pictures of Hitler in one's bedroom as a certain poster here has been speculating.

[Boico]

Not long after it's happened and people are already using the deaths of nearly one hundred people as another occasion to bash religion. You people disgust me.

[Greater Cabinda]

Living the way Jesus taught you would also mean renouncing your possessions and devoting your life to helping those less fortunate.

Most people don't live the way Jesus taught, yet you're probably happy to call most people who claim to be Christians what they claim to be. You only refuse in this case because you disagree with how he failed to act like Jesus.

Also, no true Scotsman fallacy etc.

Now I remember why I try to avoid General. It's because when somebody perverts the beliefs of a group, more often then not a religious group, all the self-justified atheists come out of the woodwork and use it as an argument against religion.

This guy would've gone on his little massacre even if he wasn't a self-professed Christian. Reason being, he launched this attack because of his political beliefs. Not his religious ones.

Indeed. Although, saying the exact words "no true" is generally like waving a red flag in front of a bull on NSG.

[AlexJacobii]

Not long after its happened and people are already using the deaths of nearly one hundred people as another occasion to bash religion. You people disgust me.

The fact of the matter is that religion is to blame here...religion can do great things as well but on this occasion it didn't.

[Laerod]

Living the way Jesus taught you would also mean renouncing your possessions and devoting your life to helping those less fortunate.

Most people don't live the way Jesus taught, yet you're probably happy to call most people who claim to be Christians what they claim to be. You only refuse in this case because you disagree with how he failed to act like Jesus.

Also, no true Scotsman fallacy etc.

Now I remember why I try to avoid General. It's because when somebody perverts the beliefs of a group, more often then not a religious group, all the self-justified atheists come out of the woodwork and use it as an argument against religion.

This guy would've gone on his little massacre even if he wasn't a self-professed Christian. Reason being, he launched this attack because of his political beliefs. Not his religious ones.

Right, how did Dakini argue against religion? She's pointing out that no Christian lives up to the ideals they allegedly follow. And to be honest, the best Christians are the ones that realize that and try to do the best they can anyway instead of shifting the blame.

[Baltenstein]

Well, one can still be an anti-nazi...neo-nazi if he applies all of the racialist supremacist values of National Socialism to his own (instead of the German) nation, and views the historical German occupiers as just another wave of those foreign savages his pure-blooded fatherland had to defend itself against.

Of course, one wouldn't be hanging up pictures of Hitler in one's bedroom as a certain poster here has been speculating.

Frankly, I didn't quite get that comment. Was he lamenting that I'm scapegoating rightwingers or something? Well, whatever.

[Serrland]

Not long after its happened and people are already using the deaths of nearly one hundred people as another occasion to bash religion. You people disgust me.

The fact of the matter is that religion is to blame here...religion can do great things as well but on this occasion it didn't.

Is religion to blame? I see it more that a madman murdering children is to blame. Did Jesus make him pull the trigger?

[AlexJacobii]

The fact of the matter is that religion is to blame here...religion can do great things as well but on this occasion it didn't.

Is religion to blame? I see it more that a madman murdering children is to blame. Did Jesus make him pull the trigger?

Religion can make one mad no? It's not up to Jesus whether or not he kills people according to the Bible.

[Serrland]

Is religion to blame? I see it more that a madman murdering children is to blame. Did Jesus make him pull the trigger?

Religion can make one mad no? It's not up to Jesus whether or not he kills people according to the Bible.

Religion itself doesn't kill, though. Religion by and large, to the vast majority of people, is just another part of their life. I have a hard time believing that religion itself is to blame. It wasn't religion that set off a car bomb or took guns to a youth camp. It was Anders Behring Breivik.

[Derpusherpus]

The fact of the matter is that religion is to blame here...religion can do great things as well but on this occasion it didn't.

Is religion to blame? I see it more that a madman murdering children is to blame. Did Jesus make him pull the trigger?

He's very preoccupied with cultural conservatism.
http://www.document.no/anders-behring-breivik/

I'd say religion is partly to blame.

[Volnotova]

No sane person would do that.

Everybody cool with this version?

Just because you kill people doesn't mean you're insane.

This.

[AlexJacobii]

Religion can make one mad no? It's not up to Jesus whether or not he kills people according to the Bible.

Religion itself doesn't kill, though. Religion by and large, to the vast majority of people, is just another part of their life. I have a hard time believing that religion itself is to blame. It wasn't religion that set off a car bomb or took guns to a youth camp. It was Anders Behring Breivik.

Religion doesn't set off car bombs? Bad example there, I can point out plenty of times when it has. Indeed it was Anders that did it, people have free will but there is no doubt that religion played a part in this tragedy.

[Baltenstein]

He's no nazi....... He's a common Norwegian internet islamophobe, pro-Israel dude, nationalist and capitalist. Which basically means he supports of The Progress Party, which is the second largest party in Norway. Calling The Progress Party a Nazi party is really far fetched.

He does not support the Progress party, he was a member until 2006 but got out because he didn't like the party.

News say he left the party because he found them to be too much into Multiculturalism, which I guess is like accusing the GOP of being socialist.

[AiliailiA]

As I said before, per head of population this is a greater mass-killing for Norway than 9/11 was for the USA.

Population: Norway 4.9 million (now), USA 283 million (in 2001)
Deaths: Norway 91 (or more), USA 2996.

And furthermore, it looks as though this isn't something that Norway can externalize and make "someone else's fault".

So I'd like to ask Americans in particular to pipe down and show a little respect.

[Serrland]

Religion itself doesn't kill, though. Religion by and large, to the vast majority of people, is just another part of their life. I have a hard time believing that religion itself is to blame. It wasn't religion that set off a car bomb or took guns to a youth camp. It was Anders Behring Breivik.

Religion doesn't set off car bombs? Bad example there, I can point out plenty of times when it has. Indeed it was Anders that did it, people have free will but there is no doubt that religion played a part in this tragedy.

When has religion ever set off a car bomb? People set off car bombs. Some may be influenced or motivated by religion, but has religion ever killed anyone? Ideas don't kill. Misguided people acting upon them do.

[The Lone Alliance]

92 people... Damn...
Why? Because they were 'leftists'...

Just damn you Mr.Breivik...

PS: I think this was more political than Religious, mainly because if it had been religious he would have done the shooting in a Muslim neighborhood.

[The Black Forrest]

Living the way Jesus taught you would also mean renouncing your possessions and devoting your life to helping those less fortunate.

Most people don't live the way Jesus taught, yet you're probably happy to call most people who claim to be Christians what they claim to be. You only refuse in this case because you disagree with how he failed to act like Jesus.

Also, no true Scotsman fallacy etc.

Now I remember why I try to avoid General. It's because when somebody perverts the beliefs of a group, more often then not a religious group, all the self-justified atheists come out of the woodwork and use it as an argument against religion.

This guy would've gone on his little massacre even if he wasn't a self-professed Christian. Reason being, he launched this attack because of his political beliefs. Not his religious ones.

So what charity are you doing for the families of this tragedy?

[The Black Forrest]

Now I remember why I try to avoid General. It's because when somebody perverts the beliefs of a group, more often then not a religious group, all the self-justified atheists come out of the woodwork and use it as an argument against religion.

This guy would've gone on his little massacre even if he wasn't a self-professed Christian. Reason being, he launched this attack because of his political beliefs. Not his religious ones.

Right, how did Dakini argue against religion? She's pointing out that no Christian lives up to the ideals they allegedly follow. And to be honest, the best Christians are the ones that realize that and try to do the best they can anyway instead of shifting the blame.

Indeed.

[Dakini]

Living the way Jesus taught you would also mean renouncing your possessions and devoting your life to helping those less fortunate.

Most people don't live the way Jesus taught, yet you're probably happy to call most people who claim to be Christians what they claim to be. You only refuse in this case because you disagree with how he failed to act like Jesus.

Also, no true Scotsman fallacy etc.

Now I remember why I try to avoid General. It's because when somebody perverts the beliefs of a group, more often then not a religious group, all the self-justified atheists come out of the woodwork and use it as an argument against religion.

This guy would've gone on his little massacre even if he wasn't a self-professed Christian. Reason being, he launched this attack because of his political beliefs. Not his religious ones.

Ok... that doesn't make him less of a Christian or less of an extremist Christian. Who are you to tell this man that he's lacking in his professed faith? Judge not lest ye be judged; what kind of true Christian are you?

Also, I wasn't arguing against religion. I was arguing against you trying to excommunicate this guy from your religion because he makes you uncomfortable.

[Angleter]

Religion itself doesn't kill, though. Religion by and large, to the vast majority of people, is just another part of their life. I have a hard time believing that religion itself is to blame. It wasn't religion that set off a car bomb or took guns to a youth camp. It was Anders Behring Breivik.

Religion doesn't set off car bombs? Bad example there, I can point out plenty of times when it has. Indeed it was Anders that did it, people have free will but there is no doubt that religion played a part in this tragedy.

Breivik did this because he's a nutwhack. Religion or no religion, he'd still be a nutwhack.

[Cannot think of a name]

Religion doesn't set off car bombs? Bad example there, I can point out plenty of times when it has. Indeed it was Anders that did it, people have free will but there is no doubt that religion played a part in this tragedy.

When has religion ever set off a car bomb? People set off car bombs. Some may be influenced or motivated by religion, but has religion ever killed anyone? Ideas don't kill. Misguided people acting upon them do.

Pointlessly semantic.

[Keronians]

Now I remember why I try to avoid General. It's because when somebody perverts the beliefs of a group, more often then not a religious group, all the self-justified atheists come out of the woodwork and use it as an argument against religion.

This guy would've gone on his little massacre even if he wasn't a self-professed Christian. Reason being, he launched this attack because of his political beliefs. Not his religious ones.

Ok... that doesn't make him less of a Christian or less of an extremist Christian. Who are you to tell this man that he's lacking in his professed faith? Judge not lest ye be judged; what kind of true Christian are you?

He's not a true Christian simply because he went against the Ten Commandments and much more.