Bomb attack on Oslo, Norway. At least 87 dead.

[The Anti-Cosmic Gods]

So it was a right wing nationalist huh? How poetic. I hope everyone who jumped the gun and accused Muslims of this before any information came out feels like a fool.

[Greater Cabinda]

Leftwing terrorism is more common in Europe, but usually with less victims per attack. When rightwingers hit, they hit hard.

The attacker likely has pictures of Adolf Hitler on the wall of his room and likely has a HItler miniature that he prays to every night.

He also probably has membership in several European Neo Nazi and Skinhead groups.

MSNBC's reporting that he's a Christian extremist.

[Greater Cabinda]

So it was a right wing nationalist huh? How poetic. I hope everyone who jumped the gun and accused Muslims of this before any information came out feels like a fool.

That person ragequit.

[Oterro]

The attacker likely has pictures of Adolf Hitler on the wall of his room and likely has a HItler miniature that he prays to every night.

He also probably has membership in several European Neo Nazi and Skinhead groups.

In short, the Nazis are back with a vengeance.

No, don't worry, they're all dead.

[Estovakiva]

Tipper, han som gjorde dette kommer til og bli "Spist" opp i fengslet av med-fanger hvis han kommer til og sone med andre fanger noe jeg ikke tror kommer til og skje, skyte ungdommer? han kommer til og bli banket blå og gul.


For og være helt ærlig så hadde det vært bedere hvis statsminesteren hadde vært på øya når det skjedde da kunne livaktene hans hjulpet ungdommene hvertfall..:/...da hadde vi slippet så mye menesketap, åhh well : S

Vet ikke helt, har i det hele tatt disse vaktene hans våpen? og Anders B.B var visst utrolig flink til å skyte også.

Ja det har dem, hvis dem ikke har det så hva pokker skal dem beskyte statsminesteren vår med?, og deg virker sånn men hvis de hadde vært der så kanskje dem hadde hatt en bedere sjanse.

[The Nordic Star Federation]

The attacker likely has pictures of Adolf Hitler on the wall of his room and likely has a HItler miniature that he prays to every night.

He also probably has membership in several European Neo Nazi and Skinhead groups.

You're just making shit up. Stop that.

I didn''t say whether this is what happened, only that it is a very good possibility. Just before this, the Europeans did destroy the tomb and body of Hitler's former top lieutenant and that has pissed off a lot of Neo Nazis and their sympathizers.

How do we know this attack was not retaliation for that?

[Sane Outcasts]

While I do expect it a bit, assigning political labels to this guy without knowing more than the barest details about him is premature and likely only being done to attach him to something you already dislike.

Let's be fair here. Anyone that takes a machine gun to a youth camp to advance political or religious ideals is so far divorced from reality that his politics are probably only accidentally related to the real world.

[AiliailiA]

Did The Sun change their headline? It reads "Hunter Killer" on their site now.

Apologies for not going through the thread page by page to see if others have addressed this, but in keeping with Christmahanikwanzikah's observation, the headline image linked to by the Alma Mater is not what I saw when I went to pick up my newspaper this morning (the Independent rather than the Sun, I hasten to add).

It's entirely possible that the Sun changed its planned headline overnight as the news developed, but all of the things we can justly blame News International newspapers for, running a printed morning headline blaming the Norwegian massacres on Al Qaeda doesn't really appear to be one of them.

I stress that not for a second suggesting that the Alma Mater has deliberately set out to mislead, but does anyone have a source for that Sun front page other than the Dutch site AM used?

I saw it, but sadly I have closed the tab since.

Bottom right of the front page had banner headline "Norways 9/11" and the 1-paragraph story below it had the word "Al-Qaida" near the end. Top left of the front page was some kind of promotion about caravanning for £1.

EDIT: OK, found it in my browser cache but it still looks the same as what tAM linked to ... I mistook what you said, I thought you meant the content of tAM's link had changed. nvm ... The Independent is not a MurderNews publication so of course you didn't see the same content ... what was the question again?¿

[Derpusherpus]

The attacker likely has pictures of Adolf Hitler on the wall of his room and likely has a HItler miniature that he prays to every night.

He also probably has membership in several European Neo Nazi and Skinhead groups.

In short, the Nazis are back with a vengeance.

He's no nazi....... He's a common Norwegian internet islamophobe, pro-Israel dude, nationalist and capitalist. Which basically means he supports of The Progress Party, which is the second largest party in Norway. Calling The Progress Party a Nazi party is really far fetched.

[Jakaragua]

You're just making shit up. Stop that.

I didn''t say whether this is what happened, only that it is a very good possibility. Just before this, the Europeans did destroy the tomb and body of Hitler's former top lieutenant and that has pissed off a lot of Neo Nazis and their sympathizers.

How do we know this attack was not retaliation for that?

Well, there's fuck all proof this guy was a Nazi, abliet an angry right-wing Islamophobe, but nonetheless he wasn't a Nazi.

[Vecherd]

In short, the Nazis are back with a vengeance.

He's no nazi....... He's a common Norwegian internet islamophobe, pro-Israel dude, nationalist and capitalist. Which basically means he supports of The Progress Party, which is the second largest party in Norway. Calling The Progress Party a Nazi party is really far fetched.

He does not support the Progress party, he was a member until 2006 but got out because he didn't like the party.

[Derpusherpus]

I didn''t say whether this is what happened, only that it is a very good possibility. Just before this, the Europeans did destroy the tomb and body of Hitler's former top lieutenant and that has pissed off a lot of Neo Nazis and their sympathizers.

How do we know this attack was not retaliation for that?

Well, there's fuck all proof this guy was a Nazi, tablet an angry right-wing Homophobes, but nonetheless he wasn't a Nazi.

He wasn't a homophobe either.

[Risottia]

No true nationalist Scotsman ...

Fixed. Wiki why.

[Jakaragua]

Well, there's fuck all proof this guy was a Nazi, tablet an angry right-wing Homophobes, but nonetheless he wasn't a Nazi.

He wasn't a homophobe either.

*Islamophobe.

[Risottia]

Newsflash: Neo-Nazis tend to hate Jews just as much as typical brown people.

Not quite. In Europe, a lot of right-wingers, Neonazis and third-positionists included, support Israel as anti-Muslim bulwark.
While other ones support Palestine as part of their anti-Jewish agenda, and out of nationalism (that is, they say "the Palestinian nation needs a country of its own").

The landscape of the European rightwing is quite complicated.

[Derpusherpus]

He's no nazi....... He's a common Norwegian internet islamophobe, pro-Israel dude, nationalist and capitalist. Which basically means he supports of The Progress Party, which is the second largest party in Norway. Calling The Progress Party a Nazi party is really far fetched.

He does not support the Progress party, he was a member until 2006 but got out because he didn't like the party.

That was certainly not because he had become more moderate. He supported the "internet version", or youth party version, of that party's politics, and by that I mean he was more extreme.

[Risottia]

You'll notice that no Evangelical Christians have spoken up to condemn this. How typical. For all their noise about how "Christianity is a religion of peace", when one of them commits a heinous act like this, all you hear is crickets chirping or apologists claiming "he wasn't a real Christian".

Are Muslim terrorists representatives of Islam?

Of course, it's the Evil Muslim Theorem.

What's the problem with saying "he's not a real Christian"?

1.It looks like a "No true Scotsman" fallacy
2.It could hint at a generalization like "Christians are necessarily good, hence non-Christians are likely to be evil".

[Risottia]

While I don't disagree with you, left wing terrorism is more common than right wing terrorism...

Not in America.

Nor in Europe either, afaik.
(No, riots aren't terrorism).

[Risottia]

So it was a right wing nationalist huh? How poetic. I hope everyone who jumped the gun and accused Muslims of this before any information came out feels like a fool.

That person ragequit.

While he did post a goodbye/ragequit thread, looks like he didn't cancel his account...

[Angleter]

My condolences to Norway. I wouldn't be all that surprised if the attacks turned out not to be ideologically-motivated- I can't see much from his translated comments on Document.no that make him all that much different from any Wilders fan across the whole of Europe.

[Keronians]

That person ragequit.

While he did post a goodbye/ragequit thread, looks like he didn't cancel his account...

You can't cancel your account, AFAIK.

[The Anti-Cosmic Gods]

While I do expect it a bit, assigning political labels to this guy without knowing more than the barest details about him is premature and likely only being done to attach him to something you already dislike.

Let's be fair here. Anyone that takes a machine gun to a youth camp to advance political or religious ideals is so far divorced from reality that his politics are probably only accidentally related to the real world.

Right? Lets stop trying to score political points by going "OH WELL THIS ASSHOLE WAS ON YOUR SIDE!" It doesn't make your ideology more correct.

I just like that all the xenophobes were real quick to assign blame, and then it turns out that the perpetrator was actually of the same political shade as the xenophobes. Its, as I said before, poetic.

[The Nordic Star Federation]

You do realise that no true Christian would do this.

[Sane Outcasts]

While I do expect it a bit, assigning political labels to this guy without knowing more than the barest details about him is premature and likely only being done to attach him to something you already dislike.

Let's be fair here. Anyone that takes a machine gun to a youth camp to advance political or religious ideals is so far divorced from reality that his politics are probably only accidentally related to the real world.

Right? Lets stop trying to score political points by going "OH WELL THIS ASSHOLE WAS ON YOUR SIDE!" It doesn't make your ideology more correct.

I just like that all the xenophobes were real quick to assign blame, and then it turns out that the perpetrator was actually of the same political shade as the xenophobes. Its, as I said before, poetic.

Poetic, certainly, but I don't find anything about this to like. With the death toll involved, I wouldn't even call seeing someone proved wrong a silver lining.

The question about the whole matter that's bothered me is whether the shooting and the bombing were meant to be simultaneous blows to whatever the suspect hated or if the bomb was just a distraction to tie up the police so he could attack the youth camp, his true target.

[French Union]

Wow that's an impressive number, in Norway of all places too.