Atheism? Yay or Nay.

[The Daughters of Semiramis]

I believe a God exists, but the answer is, how did this God come to exist? If there are no gods, how did everything before The Big Bang become? How did the things before that become?

I hate philosophy, but in this strange world where, out of all the planets in our sight cannot produce organisms besides our own, how can we know anything besides what a Book says?

It's all so damn tiring, I just acknowledge that some God or system of Karma exists so I don't spend my afterlife being the bitch of a demon.

That... is a very new and scary thought. I thought hell only had fire, pain, worms and the Devil.

[Ageleia]

I believe a God exists, but the answer is, how did this God come to exist? If there are no gods, how did everything before The Big Bang become? How did the things before that become?

I hate philosophy, but in this strange world where, out of all the planets in our sight cannot produce organisms besides our own, how can we know anything besides what a Book says?

It's all so damn tiring, I just acknowledge that some God or system of Karma exists so I don't spend my afterlife being the bitch of a demon.

YES YES YES IKR?
There must be some higher power that exists...things DO NOT APPEAR OUT OF NOWHERE.
*pauses*
So where did God come from?

[Romania Mare1]

Define square and triangle.

I will try to draw them here

Square |_| and another line up

/\ and a line down,which unites the other two is a triangle
And God is not a matematician,he's just as ilogical as a square made of 3 lines or a triangle the sum of which angles is more than 180 degrees

[Romania Mare1]

It's all so damn tiring, I just acknowledge that some God or system of Karma exists so I don't spend my afterlife being the bitch of a demon.

coward

[Ageleia]

Define square and triangle.

I will try to draw them here

Square |_| and another line up

/\ and a line down,which unites the other two is a triangle
And God is not a matematician,he's just as ilogical as a square made of 3 lines or a triangle the sum of which angles is more than 180 degrees

*shrugs*
If the existence of a God (or Gods) is illogical, what's logical?

[Maglonian Tribes]

It's all so damn tiring, I just acknowledge that some God or system of Karma exists so I don't spend my afterlife being the bitch of a demon.

coward

Heaven sounds a lot better, you know, chillin out with all the other Angels in a paradise, which is one of the other names for Christian/Catholic Heaven.

Of course, if I'm such an Evil Bastard that I become a demon, that wouldn't be so bad, I could torment people in creative and fucked up ways.

[The Daughters of Semiramis]

Define square and triangle.

I will try to draw them here

Square |_| and another line up

/\ and a line down,which unites the other two is a triangle
And God is not a matematician,he's just as ilogical as a square made of 3 lines or a triangle the sum of which angles is more than 180 degrees

Yes God is a square with three lines, a triangle with two lines, whose angle sum is more than 180 angles.
The line that completes the triangle, the square is us of course God is too interrelated with us.
The negative degrees when added in is sin. It weighs heavily on God, I'm sure, since He's all-loving

[Gorgisia]

Simple answer: Atheists okay, Antitheists nay.

God, I hate those pesky antitheists.

[Romania Mare1]

Yes God is a square with three lines, a triangle with two lines, whose angle sum is more than 180 angles.
The line that completes the triangle, the square is us of course God is too interrelated with us.
The negative degrees when added in is sin. It weighs heavily on God, I'm sure, since He's all-loving

Draw both figures and upload them (or tell me how to do it ) thus proving that they exist.Nobody did it until now but hey,it would be great to know it's possible.
The question had nothing to do with God (yet ) so provide a simple answer : are the two figures possible or not ?If yes prove it. (this is simple,nothing to do with spirituality )
After that i can get to the God part

[Gorgisia]

Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings.

How great Allah supplied his terrorists with modern guns and airplanes, eh?

[The Daughters of Semiramis]

Yes God is a square with three lines, a triangle with two lines, whose angle sum is more than 180 angles.
The line that completes the triangle, the square is us of course God is too interrelated with us.
The negative degrees when added in is sin. It weighs heavily on God, I'm sure, since He's all-loving

Draw both figures and upload them (or tell me how to do it ) thus proving that they exist.Nobody did it until now but hey,it would be great to know it's possible.
The question had nothing to do with God (yet ) so provide a simple answer : are the two figures possible or not ?If yes prove it. (this is simple,nothing to do with spirituality )
After that i can get to the God part

You can't draw your thoughts, or upload them can you? plus, I don't know how to upload.
OK so imagine |_| (which is God) + _ (at the top, representing us humans) = a square which is Christianity, which actually is just a relationship between God and us
That good?
And yes, it does have some things to do with spirituality. We're kind of oversimplifying God right now. I mean the religion is based on spirituality and the relationship with God that we have. HOW ON EARTH DO YOU DRAW PiCTURes OR USE a *SQUARE* TO REPRESENT THAT?! (and no, I'm not shouting at anyone I'm just kind of disbelief vs shock here)
Heck, I fear damnation

[Romania Mare1]

I said that had nothing to do with God for the moment,I will use it later
So can you draw a square like that or not ?
Just an yes or no answer please
Remember this has nothing to do with God or anything else.Or to reformulate my question : is it possible for such a square to exist ?
As about your fear of hell,it's based on irationality
As a side question : do you believe we were provided with reason by said god ?

[The Daughters of Semiramis]

I said that had nothing to do with God for the moment,I will use it later
So can you draw a square like that or not ?
Just an yes or no answer please
Remember this has nothing to do with God or anything else.Or to reformulate my question : is it possible for such a square to exist ?
As about your fear of hell,it's based on irationality
As a side question : do you believe we were provided with reason by said god ?

In the way I described? Yes definitely - add a line! So yes, such a square can exist.
as for my fear of hell, perhaps, and perhaps not.
Yes, God provided us with reason, because He understands that we are not puppets for Him to control, and that we need to use our reason to understand that He exists, but more importantly with our hearts.
Bliddy hell, I feel like I'm giving a sermon. ==

[Ageleia]

I said that had nothing to do with God for the moment,I will use it later
So can you draw a square like that or not ?
Just an yes or no answer please
Remember this has nothing to do with God or anything else.Or to reformulate my question : is it possible for such a square to exist ?
As about your fear of hell,it's based on irationality
As a side question : do you believe we were provided with reason by said god ?

In the way I described? Yes definitely - add a line! So yes, such a square can exist.
as for my fear of hell, perhaps, and perhaps not.
Yes, God provided us with reason, because He understands that we are not puppets for Him to control, and that we need to use our reason to understand that He exists, but more importantly with our hearts.
Bliddy hell, I feel like I'm giving a sermon. ==

Don't worry, you aren't.
...Semiramis, just a side note, you sound like a theist.

[Grave_n_idle]

Nay. I am a theist, and until the day the government outlaws my ability to do so, I will say it to your face while staring you in the eye.

You're not cool, intellectual or witty for being an atheist. You're sad, hypocritical windbags.

You say you're a theist - which 'god' do you believe in?

[The Daughters of Semiramis]

In the way I described? Yes definitely - add a line! So yes, such a square can exist.
as for my fear of hell, perhaps, and perhaps not.
Yes, God provided us with reason, because He understands that we are not puppets for Him to control, and that we need to use our reason to understand that He exists, but more importantly with our hearts.
Bliddy hell, I feel like I'm giving a sermon. ==

Don't worry, you aren't.
...Semiramis, just a side note, you sound like a theist.

Why Ageleia, however did you figure that one out?
I'm CHRISTIAN!!!

[Romania Mare1]

In the way I described? Yes definitely - add a line! So yes, such a square can exist.
as for my fear of hell, perhaps, and perhaps not.
Yes, God provided us with reason, because He understands that we are not puppets for Him to control, and that we need to use our reason to understand that He exists, but more importantly with our hearts.
Bliddy hell, I feel like I'm giving a sermon. ==

Wait,i am confused,you say a square made of 3 lines can exist ????
And about the reason thing :
1God gave you reason (let's suppose that )
2You used your reason to deduce he doesn't exist (let's suppose that too )
3 God should either be proud that you used it to the best of your capacity or he's an evil bastard for giving reason to you and then punishing you for using it (to the best of your capacity )
logic,huh ?

[The Daughters of Semiramis]

In the way I described? Yes definitely - add a line! So yes, such a square can exist.
as for my fear of hell, perhaps, and perhaps not.
Yes, God provided us with reason, because He understands that we are not puppets for Him to control, and that we need to use our reason to understand that He exists, but more importantly with our hearts.
Bliddy hell, I feel like I'm giving a sermon. ==

Wait,i am confused,you say a square made of 3 lines can exist ????
And about the reason thing :
1God gave you reason (let's suppose that )
2You used your reason to deduce he doesn't exist (let's suppose that too )
3 God should either be proud that you used it to the best of your capacity or he's an evil bastard for giving reason to you and then punishing you for using it (to the best of your capacity )
logic,huh ?

I'm saying that a square is however you define it but I'm playing nice so I say yes a square with three lines (God) can exist if you add a line (humans).
OK how about this reasoning:
1 God gave me reason (let's suppose I'm not retarded)
2 I have used my reason to deduce he exists (If you want, I can go in lengths about it later)
3 God is proud of me
Logic huh?

[Romania Mare1]

I'm saying that a square is however you define it but I'm playing nice so I say yes a square with three lines (God) can exist if you add a line (humans).
I am getting tired of this.I said don't put God into this.We are talking about PLAIN SQUARES ! What's so hard to understand ? Can a normal square have 3 sides or not ? No God in this

1 God gave me reason (let's suppose I'm not retarded)
2 I have used my reason to deduce he exists (If you want, I can go in lengths about it later)
3 God is proud of me
Logic huh?

I made that scenario to explain why sending a non believer to hell is plain evil
Now for a real question
If God is omniscient and knows the future
and omnipotent
can he change the future ?
Just like 3 sided squares that's ilogical therefore imposible

[Sociobiology]

And I say hypocritical because almost every single argument used against theists, by atheists, can be logically turned right around. It's a double-edged sword.

True, atheism is unfalsifiable, despite the fact that, being the negation of an existence claim, its being unfalsifiable is epistemologically impossible.

you must not understand what falsifiable means, because "there are no gods" is easily falsified by evidence, just because that evidence does not exist does not make it unfalsifiable.
example "there is not planet between Earth and Mars either", negative statements are falsifiable.
please look up the definition of Null while you are looking up falsifiable.

[Sociobiology]

'True' theists are the same as any other theist. I only said 'most' because I don't discount the possibility of a theist embracing human nature, I've yet to meet one that truly does.

And what evils would those be?

"Evils" are generally considered "destruction". Any destruction that is not directly tied to self-defense is normally connotative of "an evil". Of an idea, a building, a person... Basically anything that hurts someone that has not hurt you.

so tigers are evil?

[Ageleia]

"Evils" are generally considered "destruction". Any destruction that is not directly tied to self-defense is normally connotative of "an evil". Of an idea, a building, a person... Basically anything that hurts someone that has not hurt you.

so tigers are evil?

...oh dear, probably everything is evil if we stick by that definition.

[Sociobiology]

well thank you for proving you know nothing about statistics.
a 1% drop out of 7% with an N of 1000 would be more than significant
smaller N means they have a less representative sample.
what does any of this have to do with the thread?

I don't even remember the original quote that began this debate on statistics. Your grasp of polling is questionable, a 1% drop is not uncommon when you slightly change a question. Also considering the 4% margin of error its a statistical dead heat. If gallup were to take a sample of 54,461 people they would arrive at the same conclusion, they don't need to poll that many people however because they are an actual POLLING ORGANIZATION with over 2,000 political scientists at their disposal.

well with a 4% margin of error there numbers could be 12% so both surveys could be identical. They even admit there numbers drop to only 80% belief when people are allowed to report doubt. Gallops methods are fast and dirty which is fine until you start using it argue against a properly done study. Gallop is the McDonalds of polling.
if they had 1 million scientists, and a budget in the trillions it would not make predictions of the the poll any better, you should recognize an argument from authority when you see it.
I remember why we started this because you fell into the ad populum fallacy claiming beleif in god was proof of god.

[The Daughters of Semiramis]

I don't even remember the original quote that began this debate on statistics. Your grasp of polling is questionable, a 1% drop is not uncommon when you slightly change a question. Also considering the 4% margin of error its a statistical dead heat. If gallup were to take a sample of 54,461 people they would arrive at the same conclusion, they don't need to poll that many people however because they are an actual POLLING ORGANIZATION with over 2,000 political scientists at their disposal.

well with a 4% margin of error there numbers could be 12% so both surveys could be identical. They even admit there numbers drop to only 80% belief when people are allowed to report doubt. Gallops methods are fast and dirty which is fine until you start using it argue against a properly done study. Gallop is the McDonalds of polling.
if they had 1 million scientists, and a budget in the trillions it would not make predictions of the the poll any better, you should recognize an argument from authority when you see it.
I remember why we started this because you fell into the ad populum fallacy claiming beleif in god was proof of god.

This is where I get lost

[Ageleia]

well with a 4% margin of error there numbers could be 12% so both surveys could be identical. They even admit there numbers drop to only 80% belief when people are allowed to report doubt. Gallops methods are fast and dirty which is fine until you start using it argue against a properly done study. Gallop is the McDonalds of polling.
if they had 1 million scientists, and a budget in the trillions it would not make predictions of the the poll any better, you should recognize an argument from authority when you see it.
I remember why we started this because you fell into the ad populum fallacy claiming beleif in god was proof of god.

This is where I get lost

Let's try to find a way out together, shall we? o.o