Atheism? Yay or Nay.

[Hellenic Protectorates]

Nay. I am a theist, and until the day the government outlaws my ability to do so, I will say it to your face while staring you in the eye.

You're not cool, intellectual or witty for being an atheist. You're sad, hypocritical windbags.

Are you expecting the bolded?

And you are right, being an atheist makes you neither cool, nor witty, nor intelectual but I need something more to substansiate that it makes you sad, hypocritical, or a windbag.
I do not think that I'm sad at all although I am an atheist.

It's already illegal under pain of death to draw Muhammad, so who knows. It may someday be illegal to say His name aloud.

And I say hypocritical because almost every single argument used against theists, by atheists, can be logically turned right around. It's a double-edged sword.

[Unhealthy2]

And I say hypocritical because almost every single argument used against theists, by atheists, can be logically turned right around. It's a double-edged sword.

True, atheism is unfalsifiable, despite the fact that, being the negation of an existence claim, its being unfalsifiable is epistemologically impossible.

[Conserative Morality]

Did I say most? I said "true".

'True' theists are the same as any other theist. I only said 'most' because I don't discount the possibility of a theist embracing human nature, I've yet to meet one that truly does.

And parts of human nature should only be condemned when they are used in the pursuit of evils.

And what evils would those be?

[Conserative Morality]

It's already illegal under pain of death to draw Muhammad, so who knows. It may someday be illegal to say His name aloud.

Where the hell do you live?

And I say hypocritical because almost every single argument used against theists, by atheists, can be logically turned right around. It's a double-edged sword.

Uh-huh. Like?

[Hellenic Protectorates]

Did I say most? I said "true".

'True' theists are the same as any other theist. I only said 'most' because I don't discount the possibility of a theist embracing human nature, I've yet to meet one that truly does.

And parts of human nature should only be condemned when they are used in the pursuit of evils.

And what evils would those be?

"Evils" are generally considered "destruction". Any destruction that is not directly tied to self-defense is normally connotative of "an evil". Of an idea, a building, a person... Basically anything that hurts someone that has not hurt you.

[Conserative Morality]

"Evils" are generally considered "destruction". Any destruction that is not directly tied to self-defense is normally connotative of "an evil". Of an idea, a building, a person... Basically anything that hurts someone that has not hurt you.

You don't break the mold, then.

[The Daughters of Semiramis]

oh no, here comes the sarcasm! EVERYONE RUN!!!...or not.
And you spelt Christian wrong!! and Catholic.

Oh,the horror,i misspelled a few words ! (considering I am not a native and I am still learning english )

My mother and father believed when they were adults. And you don't need to believe any particular branch of Christianity - just believe in God and His Word.

And when you were young they told you that sh*t true (or you just copied them ).I was a cristian for 90% + of my life,guess how i became one ?

Look, shall we accept that
1) No evidence points that God doesn't exist

What the... ? Use your brain a bit,think before you say idiocies the size of a mountain.

2) Unfortunately, no hardcore, SCIENTIFIC evidence exists to prove God exists

I wonder why there's no evidence for an omnipresent being
3) I won't be able to convince you about anything but I sure as hell will try

4) You most certainly won't be able to convince me but again you're welcome to try

Probably cause i don't care enough to actually try.Btw according to the bible i should be tied to a stone and trown into the sea (a cristian told me that .Know why ? It's because i had a debate with someone younger (like 16-17 ) and i won.Now that's around my age so it was only fair but point is if i try i can make theists renounce religion (and that girl really believed )
5) I <3 THIS DEBATE!!

Leh, sorry about pointing it out then, even though I'm not a native myself and I'm also still learning.

My parents have always given me the freedom to choose my religion. I have read the ideas behind Islam, Buddhism and more. I chose Christianity because I felt from the bottom of my heart that the God of Abraham existed and I continue to believe so. Debates like this only strengthens my belief more

So far, I've seen that there is evidence of certain misinterpretations, that some people have been misguided but no evidence that God Himself doesn't exist. If I've missed some crucial evidence please be nice and send me a link. Thanks.

There is evidence if you're willing to see, my pastor would say. As for his omnipresence, well, I feel He is here right now spiritually. For me, God has always been in the lines between the words and not the words themselves.

I'm sorry a Christian ever told you that you should die, and I thought you might want to know that since the Bible was written quite a few centuries ago, some situations then do not and need not apply in modern life anymore.I'm also sorry that that girl's faith was not strong enough. You're entitled to convince anyone and she was also entitled to choose. It was a fair debate as this one is. I'm much younger than you and I hope you'll forgive me for hoping you don't succeed in making me renounce Christianity.

[The Daughters of Semiramis]

OK so I couldn't resist making one last reply.

1) God didn't write the bible - his followers did. So it's entirely possible his followers got a few things wrong but I think they didn't because...
2) ...it's possible they could have meant He fixed the earth firm and immovable in its path of orbiting. I'm no astro-person so I dont' know much about this but it's possible
3) Christianity moved past that long time ago. Its butt is fine, thanks.
4) That still doesn't prove God DOESN'T exist. It just proves something went wrong, but probably not with God, or perhaps the interpretation was wrong.

2) The Earth's orbit changes over the centuries.
Why believe in the bible when you're not even sure which part to take literally and which part to take figuratively, and when you take figuratively, you don't even know if your interpretation is correct?

Good question. Why do I believe? I just do. It feels right to me and that's enough to convince me. Call me simple, stupid or an idiot but I simply just do. Nothing ever felt as right to me as Christianity and God did.
And yes, it's true I don't know if my interpretation is 100% correct. But I still follow it, and I still believe it because again, it feels right to me.

[The Daughters of Semiramis]

Typical Christian answer, and a MASSIVE cop out if you ask me. And this brings me to a Xanatos Gambit.

1) If the Bible is to be taken literally, its contents have been proven wrong over the centuries.
2) If the Bible is NOT to be taken literally, its contents will always be ambiguous enough to make any interpretation be correct, thus saying nothing concrete.

In any of those two possibilities, the Bible cannot prove the existence of God. Which means, I win.

Well done bro Let's see Christians dispute that with anything other than faith in questionable books.

It's not in "questionable books" that true Christians put their faith in. It's God.

I don't know how to explain it - I heard it in this sermon long long time ago. But the Bible contains the Word but is still nothing but a tool to help us on our Way to God. What matters isn't whether the Bible is right or wrong, the important thing is that you believe and walk towards God.

[Hellenic Protectorates]

Well done bro Let's see Christians dispute that with anything other than faith in questionable books.

It's in "questionable books" that true Christians put their faith in. It's God.

I don't know how to explain it - I heard it in this sermon long long time ago. But the Bible contains the Word but is still nothing but a tool to help us on our Way to God. What matters isn't whether the Bible is right or wrong, the important thing is that you believe and walk towards God.

Exactly. The book is not the source, but a tool.

[Furious Grandmothers]

It's in "questionable books" that true Christians put their faith in. It's God.

I don't know how to explain it - I heard it in this sermon long long time ago. But the Bible contains the Word but is still nothing but a tool to help us on our Way to God. What matters isn't whether the Bible is right or wrong, the important thing is that you believe and walk towards God.

Exactly. The book is not the source, but a tool.

I see, thanks very much to both of you for your nice replies even though I was trolling in a way. Was pissed at people claiming that atheism and theism are both equally invalid when they are most definitely not. Now that I've calmed down let's talk!

To both of you, I can't argue with that, because my arguments are based in logic, so if the religious choose to take faith over logic and willingly think illogically, of course logical arguments don't work and my silver bullets to religious arguments based in logic will just phase through that which is based instead in faith.

On this note, then, I would more respect a theist who does not use a religious book as a "tool", but instead seeks to understand things by his own effort in making sense of the universe. This is because his mind would not be cluttered by confusing notions from religious books that are questionable (my point about what to take literally and what to take figuratively) and therefore bring him no closer to finding out more about the universe and being closer to God, but instead cloud his spiritual journey. This was the journey I once took when studying Christianity and the Holy Bible, then becoming an agnostic theist and finally, the ignostic I am today.

I also encourage all to take this journey of actively seeking out knowledge by your own and not just accepting the words of seniors and holy books. This journey, whether it be for uncovering the wondrous truths of the universe, or for being closer to your God, will benefit all. Everyone's journey is different, but I highly, highly recommend reading up on philosophy and critical reasoning.

[Romania Mare1]

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but no evidence that God Himself doesn't exist.

Well,if you say so.But let us define this God we speak of
Common attributes : Omnipresence (all present )
Omniscience (all knowing )
Omnipotence (all powerful )
Omnibenevolence (i think this is the most important one for you) (all loving )
And yes,i know i didn't spell the right one right
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I'm also sorry that that girl's faith was not strong enough.

She's and was quite glad.We became pals
Anyway,do you agree with the attributes i listed above ? Any other you wish to add ?

[The Daughters of Semiramis]

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but no evidence that God Himself doesn't exist.

Well,if you say so.But let us define this God we speak of
Common attributes : Omnipresence (all present )
Omniscience (all knowing )
Omnipotence (all powerful )
Omnibenevolence (i think this is the most important one for you) (all loving )
And yes,i know i didn't spell the right one right
.

I'm also sorry that that girl's faith was not strong enough.

She's and was quite glad.We became pals
Anyway,do you agree with the attributes i listed above ? Any other you wish to add ?

I feel like I'm about to fall into some trap
Can't think of much right now and yes all-loving is very important
Never analyzed God before.
How about a father figure? And just?

Oh well, I can feel sorry can't I? Even if the girl herself doesn't. Which is kind of stupid. But still

[Romania Mare1]

How about a father figure? And just?

Ok,so he is just (this will create you problems,good luck defining right and wrong ) and all loving (already stated but anyway ).So with all those things + my list we summed it up ?
And it's not stupid she isn't sorry,she thanked me.Renouncing religion is anything but bad (she said it,i said it,and lots of people said it )

[The Daughters of Semiramis]

How about a father figure? And just?

Ok,so he is just (this will create you problems,good luck defining right and wrong ) and all loving (already stated but anyway ).So with all those things + my list we summed it up ?
And it's not stupid she isn't sorry,she thanked me.Renouncing religion is anything but bad (she said it,i said it,and lots of people said it )

I know i'm going to trip over myself but it'd suck if I didn't put it in. wouldn't be doing justice to God.
With the father figure thing in, so that's good.
And warning: I consider omnipresent, omni-whatever in any sense valid, including spiritually.
mhmmm ok then I'm good with everything.

[Trotskylvania]

And I say hypocritical because almost every single argument used against theists, by atheists, can be logically turned right around. It's a double-edged sword.

True, atheism is unfalsifiable, despite the fact that, being the negation of an existence claim, its being unfalsifiable is epistemologically impossible.

This bears repeating.

[Ageleia]

How about a father figure? And just?

Ok,so he is just (this will create you problems,good luck defining right and wrong ) and all loving (already stated but anyway ).So with all those things + my list we summed it up ?
And it's not stupid she isn't sorry,she thanked me.Renouncing religion is anything but bad (she said it,i said it,and lots of people said it )

Oh dear so you people have actually gotten to the point where you all start defining what God should be like? o.o

...Yay Atheism, because my nation name was based on the epithet of a Greek goddess.
Nah, I mean, I just believe that God or deities do exist - the universe couldn't have just...existed :/

[Sunshine N Lollipops]

Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings.

[Romania Mare1]

I know i'm going to trip over myself but it'd suck if I didn't put it in. wouldn't be doing justice to God.
With the father figure thing in, so that's good.
And warning: I consider omnipresent, omni-whatever in any sense valid, including spiritually.
mhmmm ok then I'm good with everything.

I have no idea what you mean about the spirituality thing but whatever,i could care less about that.
Before we co into the actual arguments do you believe there exists a square with 3 sides (made of 3 lines,you get the idea ) or a triangle the sum of which angles is over 180 degrees ?

[Ageleia]

Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings.

Ouch.
Science and religion should co-exist. *Raises her book of 'Angels and Demons' high up in the air*

[The Daughters of Semiramis]

Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings.

Haha so true I get so frustrated when I really want to do something but I can't cos I know God would disapprove.

[Romania Mare1]

Haha so true I get so frustrated when I really want to do something but I can't cos I know God would disapprove.

Then kill God and do it

[The Daughters of Semiramis]

I know i'm going to trip over myself but it'd suck if I didn't put it in. wouldn't be doing justice to God.
With the father figure thing in, so that's good.
And warning: I consider omnipresent, omni-whatever in any sense valid, including spiritually.
mhmmm ok then I'm good with everything.

I have no idea what you mean about the spirituality thing but whatever,i could care less about that.
Before we co into the actual arguments do you believe there exists a square with 3 sides (made of 3 lines,you get the idea ) or a triangle the sum of which angles is over 180 degrees ?

Spiritually - aieee read Eat Pray Love!!! I can't explain it. I'd need to show it to you! ><
Define square and triangle.
Words are what we make them and more.

[Ageleia]

I know i'm going to trip over myself but it'd suck if I didn't put it in. wouldn't be doing justice to God.
With the father figure thing in, so that's good.
And warning: I consider omnipresent, omni-whatever in any sense valid, including spiritually.
mhmmm ok then I'm good with everything.

I have no idea what you mean about the spirituality thing but whatever,i could care less about that.
Before we co into the actual arguments do you believe there exists a square with 3 sides (made of 3 lines,you get the idea ) or a triangle the sum of which angles is over 180 degrees ?

...is God a mathematician?

[Maglonian Tribes]

I believe a God exists, but the answer is, how did this God come to exist? If there are no gods, how did everything before The Big Bang become? How did the things before that become?

I hate philosophy, but in this strange world where, out of all the planets in our sight cannot produce organisms besides our own, how can we know anything besides what a Book says?

It's all so damn tiring, I just acknowledge that some God or system of Karma exists so I don't spend my afterlife being the bitch of a demon.