The BNP - Opinions?

[Trixiestan]

Honestly? I can't put it any better than anyone else here already has; they're racist thugs who give patriotism a bad name.

They and the English Defence League have completely put me off of the English flag. I literally cannot look at it now without thinking of racism.

Also I'm a white and English male. Eep.

[Laerod]

They don't.

Umm, I'm pretty sure a given country's government can fire their mayors. After all, wasn't the mayor of Moscow fired just last year?

Russia's not a given country. A country's government can't fire mayors, but the Putin of a country can do anything. The UK doesn't have a Putin.

[Cthag-antil]

Honestly? I can't put it any better than anyone else here already has; they're racist thugs who give patriotism a bad name.

They and the English Defence League have completely put me off of the English flag. I literally cannot look at it now without thinking of racism.

Also I'm a white and English male. Eep.

Nationalism is dying in England...the EDL are it's swansong.

I am as english as it gets...norman knight ancestors on mothers side and anglo saxon rabble on fathers.

But I dont live in a world of olde england...I live on the planet earth and talk daily to people from across the entire world...my interests are involved around the globe...my self identity is not allied to tribalistic notions of national unity (except in war and football (soccer)).
The sooner the BNP and EDL and others get that into their heads the sooner they might die a political death.

[The Left-Libertarian Hippies]

Mostly racist, misguided, previously Labour voters...

[Briutannia]

Many other socialist parties have been racist/discriminate or even murder based upon skin colour or nationality; the BNP, Communist China, India (which has a left wing government), ZANU-PF in Zimbabwe, the Soviet Union (the purges against minority groups in the outer states) - infact I can only really think of one racist right wing regime at the moment and that is apartheid South Africa which did none of the terrible things the others have done/propose to do.

[Cthag-antil]

infact I can only really think of one racist right wing regime at the moment and that is apartheid South Africa which did none of the terrible things the others have done/propose to do.

You are joking...dissent was brutally repressed, people were oppressed daily.

[Alyakia]

Many other socialist parties have been racist/discriminate or even murder based upon skin colour or nationality; the BNP, Communist China, India (which has a left wing government), ZANU-PF in Zimbabwe, the Soviet Union (the purges against minority groups in the outer states) - infact I can only really think of one racist right wing regime at the moment and that is apartheid South Africa which did none of the terrible things the others have done/propose to do.

Show me all the murders done by Communist China (the now hypercapitalist state) based on race.

Soviet Union wasn't actually socialist, mind you.

[Greater Cabinda]

Many other socialist parties have been racist/discriminate or even murder based upon skin colour or nationality; the BNP, Communist China, India (which has a left wing government), ZANU-PF in Zimbabwe, the Soviet Union (the purges against minority groups in the outer states) - infact I can only really think of one racist right wing regime at the moment and that is apartheid South Africa which did none of the terrible things the others have done/propose to do.

Show me some organized concerted efforts by Indian left-wing parties to exterminate or discriminate against ethnic minorities.

[Labno]

Coming back to this later.

[Octabrinaland]

How on earth are UKIP mental?

Do you have to pay to have windows?

If you do, that's your answer.

[Vecherd]

Soviet Union wasn't actually socialist, mind you.

I laughed.

Of course they were.

[Yohannes]

I've never known about the BNP too well, but i got a hypothetical questions for you BNP analyst and expert.

1.) What's wrong with wanting to kick out illegal immigrants..?

2.) If let us say, i am a British citizen or permanent resident of a Chinese or Indian background (obviously visible for everyone to see), and i happen to be a part of the upper class or upper-middle class; obviously i am contributing to the British economy, and i study and work hard after university, would the BNP still give a damn about me?

The second question is especially important, in my opinion.

[Valdanis]

They and the English Defence League have completely put me off of the English flag. I literally cannot look at it now without thinking of racism.

Also I'm a white and English male. Eep.

I've seen your posts and I think I like you so, while this might sound offensive, I honestly don't mean to upset you, but I can't believe how willing people like you are to lose your spine and hand your symbols over to extremists on a silver platter without a hint of a fight. It actually pisses me off. This is pure speculation on my part, but it also sounds to me like you have some baggage/guilt about being white and/or English without the help of the BNP or EDL.

I've never known about the BNP too well, but i got a hypothetical questions for you BNP analyst and expert.

1.) What's wrong with wanting to kick out illegal immigrants..?

They don't just want illegals to go.

2.) If let us say, i am a British citizen or permanent resident of a Chinese or Indian background (obviously visible for everyone to see), and i happen to be a part of the upper class or upper-middle class; obviously i am contributing to the British economy, and i study and work hard after university, would the BNP still give a damn about me?

The second question is especially important, in my opinion.

If you're not white then they have a problem with you. Their whole thing is "native", white British and having no time for anyone else.

[Southern Patriots]

For example, the BNP song "Don't Unpack, You're Going Back" is one of the most idiotic and racist songs I have ever heard... I find it hard to believe people can like that song, let alone believe the things sung about, and what the party teaches! (For those who haven't heard it, here is a link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OqkMjx0 ... re=related)

I like the song, even if I don't entirely agree. But then I do have little music sense and just tap my feet along to anything with half a beat.

In all seriousness, I could never back the BNP as long as they push their bloody stupid agenda against Gurkha soldiers settling. "Britain for the British" shouldn't mean stabbing our allies in the back, and the Gurkhas have proven their loyalty time and again.

[Laerod]

I've never known about the BNP too well, but i got a hypothetical questions for you BNP analyst and expert.

1.) What's wrong with wanting to kick out illegal immigrants..?

2.) If let us say, i am a British citizen or permanent resident of a Chinese or Indian background (obviously visible for everyone to see), and i happen to be a part of the upper class or upper-middle class; obviously i am contributing to the British economy, and i study and work hard after university, would the BNP still give a damn about me?

The second question is especially important, in my opinion.

1) Nothing inherently, although a hasty eviction may cause economic hardship as in Georgia.
2) Yes. They want you out. Now. They might pay you to leave, but they don't want you in the UK.

[Yohannes]

I've never known about the BNP too well, but i got a hypothetical questions for you BNP analyst and expert.

1.) What's wrong with wanting to kick out illegal immigrants..?

2.) If let us say, i am a British citizen or permanent resident of a Chinese or Indian background (obviously visible for everyone to see), and i happen to be a part of the upper class or upper-middle class; obviously i am contributing to the British economy, and i study and work hard after university, would the BNP still give a damn about me?

The second question is especially important, in my opinion.

1) Nothing inherently, although a hasty eviction may cause economic hardship as in Georgia.
2) Yes. They want you out. Now. They might pay you to leave, but they don't want you in the UK.

1.) Indeed.
2.) Now this... Wow..? Are you serious..?
Then they are indeed a bunch of racist prats.

[The Matthew Islands]

'People' are idiots. The general public are idiots. Think about it, those people that answer these polls about immigration, that appear in the Daily Fail, etc, are that chav family from down the estate, or the skinhead drunk in the local pub.

So everyone who is against tightening controls on immigration into a more controlled way, not stopping it outright just putting more controls on it, is an uneducated Chav or a Skinhead who hates foreigners? As opposed to people who acknowledging the benefits of Immigration but just want more control?

Do you live in an area with high amounts of Immigrants, or for lack of a better phrase, ethnic Minorities?

[Trixiestan]

They and the English Defence League have completely put me off of the English flag. I literally cannot look at it now without thinking of racism.

Also I'm a white and English male. Eep.

I've seen your posts and I think I like you so, while this might sound offensive, I honestly don't mean to upset you, but I can't believe how willing people like you are to hand their symbols over to extremists without a hint of a fight. It actually pisses me off. This is pure speculation on my part, but it also sounds to me like you have some baggage/guilt about being white and/or English without the help of the BNP or EDL.

Love you to <3

Honestly though, I think it has less to do with me suffering from "white guilt" and more to do with me not really being patriotic about being English. I consider myself to be British more than anything, and I don't have the same aversion to Union Flags as I do to the England one. I guess a mixture of being not being a patriotic Englander and seeing the EDL and BNP waving around England flags more than Union Flags sort of put me off it a bit. I can definetly see where you're coming from though. I'm just worried about if whether or not it's to late.

I've never known about the BNP too well, but i got a hypothetical questions for you BNP analyst and expert.

1.) What's wrong with wanting to kick out illegal immigrants..?

Immigrants are a huge part of the country. Although people seem to think that immigrants (especially ones from mainland Europe) are taking the jobs/lazy benefit thiefs, they actually do a significt chunk of the jobs that native Brits find "below them". The BBC did a test where they got together a bunch of jobless Brits and had them replace some immigrant workers for a month and pretty much all of them dropped out before the show ended.

2.) If let us say, i am a British citizen or permanent resident of a Chinese or Indian background (obviously visible for everyone to see), and i happen to be a part of the upper class or upper-middle class; obviously i am contributing to the British economy, and i study and work hard after university, would the BNP still give a damn about me?

The second question is especially important, in my opinion.

They have a problem with you. As long as you aren't white, they don't consider yourself to be British and want you out the country. Funnily enough, most people I know who have considered voting for the BNP say that it's because they have a problem with immigrants from Poland, Lithuania and other EU countries... When the BNP is completely fine with immigration from those countries because they're white.

In conclusion, the BNP aren't very nice.

[Laerod]

1) Nothing inherently, although a hasty eviction may cause economic hardship as in Georgia.
2) Yes. They want you out. Now. They might pay you to leave, but they don't want you in the UK.

1.) Indeed.
2.) Now this... Wow..? Are you serious..?
Then they are indeed a bunch of racist prats.

I quoted their website's statements on their immigration policy earlier in the thread. Yes, they seriously want any immigrant that came after some cut off date (1066 or something) out of Britain. And they want to completely ban future immigration (with some exceptions they don't elaborate).

[Valdanis]

Love you to <3

Honestly though, I think it has less to do with me suffering from "white guilt" and more to do with me not really being patriotic about being English. I consider myself to be British more than anything, and I don't have the same aversion to Union Flags as I do to the England one. I guess a mixture of being not being a patriotic Englander and seeing the EDL and BNP waving around England flags more than Union Flags sort of put me off it a bit. I can definetly see where you're coming from though. I'm just worried about if whether or not it's to late.

I just find it perplexing, really. I've always seen historic/cultural symbols as important so, were I to fly a St. George cross, I would give a stern telling off to anybody who might ask me why I am making some sort of "racist statement". I'm not even especially patriotic to England, no more or less than to the Union, but the history of England (after the union, before the union, and even before England itself existed as a country) is important to me.

Granted, sometimes a symbol gets so corrupted that people even forget the original meaning (the Swastika is a good example), but I'll go out of my way to explain to somebody that it isn't just a symbol of fascism and white supremacy because I refuse to let pretenders hijack history and culture. I wish more people would take a stand to defend history instead of letting the wankers win.

Then there's just this phenomenon that seems to have popped up that expects people to be ashamed to be English, or British, or even white. I don't understand it. Clearly you're not one of these people, but I've personally met enough of them for it to have gotten under my skin. I'm not "proud" of what my race happens to be, since skin colour is arbitrary, but anyone who tells me I should have some humility or shame over the fact will be treated like the racist that they are. Again, I understand you're not saying that, but my god some quacks out there actually believe it.

[Laerod]

They have a problem with you. As long as you aren't white, they don't consider yourself to be British and want you out the country. Funnily enough, most people I know who have considered voting for the BNP say that it's because they have a problem with immigrants from Poland, Lithuania and other EU countries... When the BNP is completely fine with immigration from those countries because they're white.

In conclusion, the BNP aren't very nice.

No, actually they're are completely against immigration.

[Trixiestan]

1.) Indeed.
2.) Now this... Wow..? Are you serious..?
Then they are indeed a bunch of racist prats.

I quoted their website's statements on their immigration policy earlier in the thread. Yes, they seriously want any immigrant that came after some cut off date (1066 or something) out of Britain. And they want to completely ban future immigration (with some exceptions they don't elaborate).

And annex Ireland. They're well and truely bonkers.

Funny thing is, we've had black people in this country for literally centuries. For example, John Blanke:
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/pathways/blackhistory/early_times/blanke.htm

[Baltenstein]

'People' are idiots. The general public are idiots. Think about it, those people that answer these polls about immigration, that appear in the Daily Fail, etc, are that chav family from down the estate, or the skinhead drunk in the local pub.

So everyone who is against tightening controls on immigration into a more controlled way, not stopping it outright just putting more controls on it, is an uneducated Chav or a Skinhead who hates foreigners? As opposed to people who acknowledging the benefits of Immigration but just want more control?

Doesn't Ed Miliband - of all people - want to establish tougher immigration policies in order to adress those concerns? "Blue Labour" I think they call it.

[Gauthier]

If the BNP ever achieves majority control of Great Britain, the world is screwed. One of the first things they'll do in office is have the Doctor deported, being an alien and all.

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But seriously, racist nationalism does not make for good policies especially in a world where economies are globally linked more and more every day. Just like the Teabaggers they're primarily trying to draw on votes from like-minded people and hoping to achieve sufficient numbers to try and carry out their hairball ideas. Can anyone name a country in the modern age that has successfully kept a homogenous racial and ethnic composition by active legislation?

[The Matthew Islands]

But seriously, racist nationalism does not make for good policies especially in a world where economies are globally linked more and more every day. Just like the Teabaggers they're primarily trying to draw on votes from like-minded people and hoping to achieve sufficient numbers to try and carry out their hairball ideas. Can anyone name a country in the modern age that has successfully kept a homogenous racial and ethnic composition by active legislation?

Isn't that the point of a political party?