Feminists, Please Explain to me this.

[Dakini]

Feminism is bollocks, they want to restrain all peoples freedom. "Criminalize strip clubs, Criminalize prostitution(check) Criminalize selling alcohol in stores after three o`clock, Criminalize being nude in public." That is the motto of the Norwegian Feminist.

Actually, I think most feminists I know are in favour of legalizing prostitution. It's going to happen anyway and laws against prostitution tend to hurt some of the most vulnerable women. Aside from that, the rate of violent crimes against prostitutes is higher because it's illegal and they feel that they can't go to the police. Plus laws against prostitution prevent women from opening up for business in a safe place, instead leaving them out on the street promoting their trade.

You know who is in favour of all of those things you listed? Conservative religious groups.

[Dakini]

We should just be like Sports Illustrated (swimsuit edition), and cover ourselves in nothing but paint.

Clothing is no longer necessary for protection from the elements after all; it is mere adornment.

My clothing protects me from the elements in the spring, fall and winter. Also a bit in the summer. And year round it protects my ass from the bus seats that have been sat on by thousands of strangers, some of whom are very, very sketchy.

[Ifreann]

Feminism is bollocks, they want to restrain all peoples freedom. "Criminalize strip clubs, Criminalize prostitution(check) Criminalize selling alcohol in stores after three o`clock, Criminalize being nude in public." That is the motto of the Norwegian Feminist.

Actually, I think most feminists I know are in favour of legalizing prostitution. It's going to happen anyway and laws against prostitution tend to hurt some of the most vulnerable women. Aside from that, the rate of violent crimes against prostitutes is higher because it's illegal and they feel that they can't go to the police. Plus laws against prostitution prevent women from opening up for business in a safe place, instead leaving them out on the street promoting their trade.

You know who is in favour of all of those things you listed? Conservative religious groups.

Sounds like feminism in Norway is batshit crazy. That or Vecherd is wrong.

[Kazomal]

Note: I am not trolling, I am just asking a question

I have read that in the victorian era, women were required to have their skirts cover more of their bodies as they got older to prevent sexual immorality. but the feminists community calls this sexist because it impacts the free wills of women. in modern day culture, women are depicted in the media as showing more and more skin, as in the case of the MTV spring breaks. Feminists call this sexist because it over sexualizes women, the exact opposite of the victorian case. wouldn't stopping this be limiting women's free will to show skin, what you were campaigning for in the victorian age? I asked a feminist neighbor of mine this, and she couldn't explain. so, women not having free will to do what they want is sexist, but women having free will to do what they want is also sexist. ??? Please explain this to me, any feminists on the forums, because it seems really hypocritical to me.

Being forced to wear certain clothing, and exploitative, sexualized advertizing are two different things. Seriously, think!

[Dakini]

Actually, I think most feminists I know are in favour of legalizing prostitution. It's going to happen anyway and laws against prostitution tend to hurt some of the most vulnerable women. Aside from that, the rate of violent crimes against prostitutes is higher because it's illegal and they feel that they can't go to the police. Plus laws against prostitution prevent women from opening up for business in a safe place, instead leaving them out on the street promoting their trade.

You know who is in favour of all of those things you listed? Conservative religious groups.

Sounds like feminism in Norway is batshit crazy. That or Vecherd is wrong.

A quick google search for "feminism in Norway" seems to have the typical stuff, groups explaining what they want to do in very academic language, a male blogger bitching that feminism makes men soft... nothing about wanting to make the sale of alcohol illegal past 3. A search for "Norwegian feminists alcohol" turns up a page by the anti-intoxication league claiming that alcohol is a step back for women, while at the same time pointing out that feminist groups will advertise their meetings as having drinks.

[Hipsturrs]

With today's media, I see it as more of a pack mentality rather than being forced. A women sees another women be treated better because she looks better, so then woman A wears "sexier" clothes than woman B in trying to put them on the same level. Girls can see it on the media, and they follow it. Honestly, I always wear jeans and don't care, but i see it as the fault of the person, no one is really telling then what they HAVE to wear anymore. If you want to look pretty though, fashion is a strange animal, I wouldnt blame it.

[The Seax]

Men ought to wear kilt more often. Some men need to get a bra (especially in the land of the Lard Almighty; USA!)
And east-european/middle eastern women should display their moustaches with pride!

Let us all unite under these words;

Equality! Hair! Moobies!


The beginning of a beautiful fem-stache

Mod edit: Do not post images like this again.
Teach this man how to knit, and he can make his own organic bra, from his own chesthair

This is a fool-proof recipe for world peace. Trust me.

[Aeronos]

you have supported his argument that men are compelled to dress/act a certain way too.

Her*. Of all the threads too!

Admittedly my views on these type of topics tend to be very obscure. It's mostly for the fact that before I hit my teens I was highly androgynous and saw people with genderblindness so-to-speak. Though I left the androgynous appearance behind when I was 12ish, the genderblindness still sort've continued, though not as strongly as before, so I see these threads (well... reality in general) and see an Us vs Them mentality and get very perplexed. I really would've thought the liquidity of gender boundaries would've made this less like that and shown that we've far more in common than we have differences, but apparently not.
It's like sexuality, I see it as just a preference and happen to prefer both equally, so I get really confused when I see (almost always heterosexuals) one side degrading the other.

</hissy fit>

... am I born too early? :\

[Dumb Ideologies]

you have supported his argument that men are compelled to dress/act a certain way too.

Her*. Of all the threads too!

Admittedly my views on these type of topics tend to be very obscure. It's mostly for the fact that before I hit my teens I was highly androgynous and saw people with genderblindness so-to-speak. Though I left the androgynous appearance behind when I was 12ish, the genderblindness still sort've continued, though not as strongly as before, so I see these threads (well... reality in general) and see an Us vs Them mentality and get very perplexed. I really would've thought the liquidity of gender boundaries would've made this less like that and shown that we've far more in common than we have differences, but apparently not.
It's like sexuality, I see it as just a preference and happen to prefer both equally, so I get really confused when I see (almost always heterosexuals) one side degrading the other.

</hissy fit>

... am I born too early? :\

You're roughly a hundred years too early, I think.

[Bottle]

Note: I am not trolling, I am just asking a question

I have read that in the victorian era, women were required to have their skirts cover more of their bodies as they got older to prevent sexual immorality. but the feminists community calls this sexist because it impacts the free wills of women. in modern day culture, women are depicted in the media as showing more and more skin, as in the case of the MTV spring breaks. Feminists call this sexist because it over sexualizes women, the exact opposite of the victorian case. wouldn't stopping this be limiting women's free will to show skin, what you were campaigning for in the victorian age? I asked a feminist neighbor of mine this, and she couldn't explain. so, women not having free will to do what they want is sexist, but women having free will to do what they want is also sexist. ??? Please explain this to me, any feminists on the forums, because it seems really hypocritical to me.

http://finallyfeminism101.wordpress.com/

Stop asking feminists to waste time explaining basic shit to you. If you are genuinely curious about basic topics like this, then educate yourself. If you are just another boring, lazy, ignorant individual who wants to make feminists run in circles repeating the same basic shit over and over and over and over again, then go do it elsewhere because I make it my personal mission to de-gonad people like that who step on this forum.

[Pope Joan]

We should just be like Sports Illustrated (swimsuit edition), and cover ourselves in nothing but paint.

Clothing is no longer necessary for protection from the elements after all; it is mere adornment.

My clothing protects me from the elements in the spring, fall and winter. Also a bit in the summer. And year round it protects my ass from the bus seats that have been sat on by thousands of strangers, some of whom are very, very sketchy.

Hmm, yes...

perhaps we shall have to sit on this idea.

[Glorious Freedonia]

You cannot see that being FORCED to wear long skirts or be called a whore in the 19th century might have been a tad sexist? It put all the fault for sex on the woman -- a man seeing her ankles would be inflamed with lust and couldn't be blamed for what happened next.

You cannot see that being depicted only as showing as much skin as possible in the 20th and 21st centuries might be objectifying women? That it becomes more important than her ideas, her causes, her intelligence?



Is it difficult also to understand the change from winter to spring, day to night, and year to year? Raw to cooked?

Maybe back in those days there were a lot of women with cankles and seeing one of the few good ankles out there would inflame a man with lust. I know that if all I ever saw was cankles and then I saw a really sexy ankle I would bug out.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

You cannot see that being FORCED to wear long skirts or be called a whore in the 19th century might have been a tad sexist? It put all the fault for sex on the woman -- a man seeing her ankles would be inflamed with lust and couldn't be blamed for what happened next.

You cannot see that being depicted only as showing as much skin as possible in the 20th and 21st centuries might be objectifying women? That it becomes more important than her ideas, her causes, her intelligence?

I just find it incredibly interesting that feminists are complaining about what their fellow women do (notably - how they dress) and saying it brings women down.
That's what I really don't get.

Feminists arguing against that point are arguing against a woman's will to wear what she wants, it seems.

[Pag-Aalisa]

Hm, speaking of sex objects in the media.. do you think that Ke$ha is a liberating figure influencing women to make their own choice of male partners, or do you think she just influences young girls to submit to the sexual intentions of men?

[Make up your own mind]

Hm, speaking of sex objects in the media.. do you think that Ke$ha is a liberating figure influencing women to make their own choice of male partners, or do you think she just influences young girls to submit to the sexual intentions of men?

One, the other, both, or neither depending on the woman in question.

[Revy Two-Hands]

Hm, speaking of sex objects in the media.. do you think that Ke$ha is a liberating figure influencing women to make their own choice of male partners, or do you think she just influences young girls to submit to the sexual intentions of men?

One, the other, both, or neither depending on the woman in question.

And that's why I stay out of this sort of thing in the real world. Avoiding conflict is impossible if you have an opinion on this matter. Though I would probably agree with dumb ideologies point of view since none of you know where I am.

[Allrule]

Actually, I think most feminists I know are in favour of legalizing prostitution. It's going to happen anyway and laws against prostitution tend to hurt some of the most vulnerable women. Aside from that, the rate of violent crimes against prostitutes is higher because it's illegal and they feel that they can't go to the police. Plus laws against prostitution prevent women from opening up for business in a safe place, instead leaving them out on the street promoting their trade.

You know who is in favour of all of those things you listed? Conservative religious groups.

Sounds like feminism in Norway is batshit crazy. That or Vecherd is wrong.

He's right on Norwegian prostitution, anyway.

[Ashmoria]

you have supported his argument that men are compelled to dress/act a certain way too.

Her*. Of all the threads too!

Admittedly my views on these type of topics tend to be very obscure. It's mostly for the fact that before I hit my teens I was highly androgynous and saw people with genderblindness so-to-speak. Though I left the androgynous appearance behind when I was 12ish, the genderblindness still sort've continued, though not as strongly as before, so I see these threads (well... reality in general) and see an Us vs Them mentality and get very perplexed. I really would've thought the liquidity of gender boundaries would've made this less like that and shown that we've far more in common than we have differences, but apparently not.
It's like sexuality, I see it as just a preference and happen to prefer both equally, so I get really confused when I see (almost always heterosexuals) one side degrading the other.

</hissy fit>

... am I born too early? :\

can i claim that it was early and i wasnt thinking well?

a quick thought about what you had posted would have led me to the assumption that you are female. *smacks self upside the head*

popular media is pushing fashion stereotypes very hard. its rare to see someone on TV or in the movies who is dressed so generically that its hard to discern gender. in real life i find myself wondering on a regular basis.

the thing that gives me hope in this little spanish town in new mexico is that the local lifeguard is so feminine in appearance and speech that it took us swimmers months to nail down the fact that he is a man. yet he has friends of all stripes and seems to be especially popular with the male athletes (college pool open to locals). when i was growing up (im 54) no such blurring of the lines would be tolerated without extreme punishment.

[Dakini]

Sounds like feminism in Norway is batshit crazy. That or Vecherd is wrong.

He's right on Norwegian prostitution, anyway.

He's right that it's illegal, but that says nothing about whether or not feminists support it being illegal (criminal is not always the same as illegal). In Ontario it's still illegal (well, sorta), but with some feminist groups supporting legalization.

[Vecherd]

Actually, I think most feminists I know are in favour of legalizing prostitution. It's going to happen anyway and laws against prostitution tend to hurt some of the most vulnerable women. Aside from that, the rate of violent crimes against prostitutes is higher because it's illegal and they feel that they can't go to the police. Plus laws against prostitution prevent women from opening up for business in a safe place, instead leaving them out on the street promoting their trade.

You know who is in favour of all of those things you listed? Conservative religious groups.

Sounds like feminism in Norway is batshit crazy. That or Vecherd is wrong.

I wish I was wrong, and I also wish I could give you sources, but I dont got any English ones..

EDIT: Some sauce, http://www.gender-focus.com/tag/norway/

[Make up your own mind]

One, the other, both, or neither depending on the woman in question.

And that's why I stay out of this sort of thing in the real world. Avoiding conflict is impossible if you have an opinion on this matter. Though I would probably agree with dumb ideologies point of view since none of you know where I am.

I also agree with Dumb Ideologies more than I care to admit.

[Vecherd]

Feminism is bollocks, they want to restrain all peoples freedom. "Criminalize strip clubs, Criminalize prostitution(check) Criminalize selling alcohol in stores after three o`clock, Criminalize being nude in public." That is the motto of the Norwegian Feminist.

Actually, I think most feminists I know are in favour of legalizing prostitution. It's going to happen anyway and laws against prostitution tend to hurt some of the most vulnerable women. Aside from that, the rate of violent crimes against prostitutes is higher because it's illegal and they feel that they can't go to the police. Plus laws against prostitution prevent women from opening up for business in a safe place, instead leaving them out on the street promoting their trade.

You know who is in favour of all of those things you listed? Conservative religious groups.

And Norwegian Feminists, however they love abortion and Muslims(weird).

[Greater Cabinda]

Actually, I think most feminists I know are in favour of legalizing prostitution. It's going to happen anyway and laws against prostitution tend to hurt some of the most vulnerable women. Aside from that, the rate of violent crimes against prostitutes is higher because it's illegal and they feel that they can't go to the police. Plus laws against prostitution prevent women from opening up for business in a safe place, instead leaving them out on the street promoting their trade.

You know who is in favour of all of those things you listed? Conservative religious groups.

And Norwegian Feminists, however they love abortion and Muslims(weird).

Sex-negative Feminists can and should be ignored.

[Vecherd]

And Norwegian Feminists, however they love abortion and Muslims(weird).

Sex-negative Feminists can and should be ignored.[/quote]

Then the entire aspect of feminist organizations in Norway should be ignored.

[Farnhamia]

Sex-negative Feminists can and should be ignored.

Then the entire aspect of feminist organizations in Norway should be ignored.

All feminist organizatoins in Norway are sex-negative? Still, it doesn't mean that all Norwegian feminists are.