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Corpse of wanted baby dumped in garbage, parents furious

Postby Nulono » Sun Jul 17, 2011 2:53 pm

Missing baby hell for couple as dead foetus thrown in garbage

Parents wanted a burial after miscarriage
Say they were told foetus probably thrown out
Minister apologises, says he'll investigate

A YOUNG Forrestfield couple are considering legal action after their dead foetus was thrown out in the garbage at a Perth hospital.
Mother-of-two Lisa and her husband Charlie were left distraught and in shock after Lisa suffered a miscarriage at 17 weeks, Perth Now reports.
She was then told by hospital staff that their baby had been discarded with the hospital's medical waste.
The couple had arrived at Swan District Hospital on April 25 knowing there was a problem with the pregnancy.
Staff informed Lisa the following day she had miscarried and that their baby would be transferred to King Edward Memorial Hospital for genetic testing and to determine a reason for the miscarriage.

The couple contacted King Edward the following day but were given no answers.

On April 27, Lisa and husband were told by a nurse at Swan District Hospital that "it's not a baby, it's just a foetus" and that it had "probably been thrown out with the medical waste".
The couple had wanted to take their baby's body home to bury.

Lawyer John Hammond, who has taken on the couple's case, said there was an obligation for the hospital to report the death of a foetus to the Registry of Births and Deaths after 20 weeks.

Although Lisa was only 17 weeks into her pregnancy, Mr Hammond said she was entitled to take the foetus home to bury.

Health Minister Kim Hames today apologised to the couple and said he would investigate the incident.

The North Metropolitan Area Health Service, which is responsible for both hospitals, said Swan District Hospital had erred in its treatment of the family.
“It is usual practice for any decisions on the management of a miscarried fetus to be discussed with and determined by the parents and we regret that this process was not followed in this instance," a spokesperson said.
Read more about the couple told their foetus had been discarded with medical waste at Perth Now.

http://www.news.com.au/national/missing ... 6094114716

This kind of thing simply disgusts me. I'm not familiar with other states, but Ohio has the Grieving Parents Act, which lets parents request a death certificate and burial regardless of the stage at which the miscarriage/stillbirth occurred. I can't imagine what they must be going through, and it disgusts me that someone could be so callous. :evil:
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Postby Greater Cabinda » Sun Jul 17, 2011 2:54 pm

Really, another one?

When will someone just make an abortion megathread so we don't have to deal with this shit on a weekly basis.
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Postby Nulono » Sun Jul 17, 2011 2:58 pm

Greater Cabinda wrote:Really, another one?

When will someone just make an abortion megathread so we don't have to deal with this shit on a weekly basis.

This was a MISCARRIAGE, Einstein. This is not an abortion thread, unless you want to include spontaneous abortions in there.
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Postby Ovisterra » Sun Jul 17, 2011 3:23 pm

Nulono wrote:
Greater Cabinda wrote:Really, another one?

When will someone just make an abortion megathread so we don't have to deal with this shit on a weekly basis.

This was a MISCARRIAGE, Einstein. This is not an abortion thread, unless you want to include spontaneous abortions in there.


He has a point though. There should be an abortion megathread.
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Postby Nulono » Sun Jul 17, 2011 3:24 pm

Ovisterra wrote:
Nulono wrote:This was a MISCARRIAGE, Einstein. This is not an abortion thread, unless you want to include spontaneous abortions in there.


He has a point though. There should be an abortion megathread.

I thought there was already.
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Postby Sythril » Sun Jul 17, 2011 3:25 pm

Ovisterra wrote:
Nulono wrote:This was a MISCARRIAGE, Einstein. This is not an abortion thread, unless you want to include spontaneous abortions in there.


He has a point though. There should be an abortion megathread.



and it's completely off topic so go to an abortion thread if you want to discuss this instead of continuing to derail this
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Postby Ovisterra » Sun Jul 17, 2011 3:26 pm

Nulono wrote:
Ovisterra wrote:
He has a point though. There should be an abortion megathread.

I thought there was already.


I've been here a year and never seen one. That doesn't mean there isn't one, but I spend stupidly large amounts of time on NSG.
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Postby Ovisterra » Sun Jul 17, 2011 3:27 pm

Sythril wrote:
Ovisterra wrote:
He has a point though. There should be an abortion megathread.



and it's completely off topic so go to an abortion thread if you want to discuss this instead of continuing to derail this


Two posts is not a threadjack. Chill the beans. We're about to get back on topic.
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Postby Augarundus » Sun Jul 17, 2011 3:28 pm

This is awful to say, but it's true;

I lol'd when I read this.
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Postby The Norwegian Blue » Sun Jul 17, 2011 3:28 pm

Ovisterra wrote:
Nulono wrote:This was a MISCARRIAGE, Einstein. This is not an abortion thread, unless you want to include spontaneous abortions in there.


He has a point though. There should be an abortion megathread.


No, there really, really shouldn't.

Anyway, on the actual topic, that was dumb of the hospital. I'm not sure what we're meant to discuss, though, since I can't imagine many people will have particularly strong arguments against "the hospital should have followed their usual procedures."
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Postby Ovisterra » Sun Jul 17, 2011 3:28 pm

Augarundus wrote:This is awful to say, but it's true;

I lol'd when I read this.


That is awful. :(
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Postby Nulono » Sun Jul 17, 2011 3:30 pm

The Norwegian Blue wrote:
Ovisterra wrote:
He has a point though. There should be an abortion megathread.


No, there really, really shouldn't.

Anyway, on the actual topic, that was dumb of the hospital. I'm not sure what we're meant to discuss, though, since I can't imagine many people will have particularly strong arguments against "the hospital should have followed their usual procedures."

Who says all threads have to be arguments?
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Postby Ovisterra » Sun Jul 17, 2011 3:31 pm

Nulono wrote:
The Norwegian Blue wrote:
No, there really, really shouldn't.

Anyway, on the actual topic, that was dumb of the hospital. I'm not sure what we're meant to discuss, though, since I can't imagine many people will have particularly strong arguments against "the hospital should have followed their usual procedures."

Who says all threads have to be arguments?


They have to be discussions, and there's not much to discuss here.
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Postby Lunatic Goofballs » Sun Jul 17, 2011 3:34 pm

They should have given them a recently removed appendix and told them that was the baby. They wouldn't know the difference.

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Postby Ovisterra » Sun Jul 17, 2011 3:35 pm

Lunatic Goofballs wrote:They should have given them a recently removed appendix and told them that was the baby. They wouldn't know the difference.

Now if anybody needs me, I'll be roasting in the bowels of Hell. :)


Oh no. I find myself agreeing, I'll be in hell too.
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Postby Khodoristan » Sun Jul 17, 2011 3:36 pm

I hate it when you hear about little kids/babies dying. Just this past week a little boy from my dads neighborhood got abducted and murdered as he walked home from camp.

My prayers go out to this family and their baby. :(
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Postby Zepplien » Sun Jul 17, 2011 3:41 pm

Khodoristan wrote:I hate it when you hear about little kids/babies dying. Just this past week a little boy from my dads neighborhood got abducted and murdered as he walked home from camp.

My prayers go out to this family and their baby. :(

I agree with the sentiment but this was not a child it was 13 weeks into development
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Postby Nulono » Sun Jul 17, 2011 3:44 pm

Zepplien wrote:
Khodoristan wrote:I hate it when you hear about little kids/babies dying. Just this past week a little boy from my dads neighborhood got abducted and murdered as he walked home from camp.

My prayers go out to this family and their baby. :(

I agree with the sentiment but this was not a child it was 13 weeks into development

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Postby Khodoristan » Sun Jul 17, 2011 3:45 pm

Zepplien wrote:
Khodoristan wrote:I hate it when you hear about little kids/babies dying. Just this past week a little boy from my dads neighborhood got abducted and murdered as he walked home from camp.

My prayers go out to this family and their baby. :(

I agree with the sentiment but this was not a child it was 13 weeks into development


True, but its saddening to hear someone so innocent and defenceless dying, regardless of age.
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Postby Greater Cabinda » Sun Jul 17, 2011 3:51 pm

Nulono wrote:
Zepplien wrote:I agree with the sentiment but this was not a child it was 13 weeks into development

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Appeal to emotion again, Nul?

When will you learn that we're all heartless bastards?

Although, you are right. After the 12th week, a fetus is legally human.
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Postby Augarundus » Sun Jul 17, 2011 3:52 pm

It doesn't have human rights until it's 2 years old, guys (approximate point at which rationale/capacity for rational is developed). No need to freak out because some mass of flesh was thrown in a tin can.
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Postby Nulono » Sun Jul 17, 2011 3:54 pm

Greater Cabinda wrote:
Nulono wrote:Image

Appeal to emotion again, Nul?

When will you learn that we're all heartless bastards?

Although, you are right. After the 12th week, a fetus is legally human.

Pointing to the actual definition of "child" didn't work, so I decided to try another tactic.
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Postby SaintB » Sun Jul 17, 2011 4:00 pm

Greater Cabinda wrote:
Nulono wrote:Image

Appeal to emotion again, Nul?

When will you learn that we're all heartless bastards?

Although, you are right. After the 12th week, a fetus is legally human.

But they aren't viable until what.. 21 weeks I believe? That's when (in my mind) it becomes 'a person', but this an abortion opinion and not relevant to this discussion.

Its a terrible thing for them to lose the child they wanted so bad but I'm not certain they have a reason to be so outraged; the Hospital, having not been informed otherwise, followed the standard procedure and did what it was supposed to do.
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Postby Khodoristan » Sun Jul 17, 2011 4:00 pm

Catholic upbringing aside...that's just messed up calling a BABY a MASS :meh: OF FLESH.
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Postby Zepplien » Sun Jul 17, 2011 4:03 pm

Khodoristan wrote:Catholic upbringing aside...that's just messed up calling a BABY a MASS :meh: OF FLESH.

But true
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