9/11 a inside job? Seriously?

[Bergnovinaia]

What do you think of these conspiracy theorists that think up all this shit? That the government used it as a cover up or what not. What's your take on this.
I'd make a poll but I don't know how to...

Ummmm...... I have heard many really stupid conspiracies theories. One was that Bush planted bombs all over the towers based on minute explosion going off during the collapse. What destroys this argument is that when a building is collapsing the air has to go somewhere and that somewhere is out. People are just ignorant who make such assumptions about Bush and 9/11 (and I'm by no means a Bush supporter).

[Braaainsss]

What do you think of these conspiracy theorists that think up all this shit? That the government used it as a cover up or what not. What's your take on this.
I'd make a poll but I don't know how to...

Okay, my take on this is as follows:

Do I think our government actually crashed planes into those buildings? No. Do I think think they knew about it before hand? Yes. Personally I believe they let it happen. The idea that a bunch of guys living in caves could outsmart our intelligence agencies and pull off the biggest terrorist attack in history seems illogical to me. No matter how inefficient our bloated government is (and as a Libertarian, I think it is tenfold) they still knew it was coming.

So while you believe that the government is inefficient and bloated, you think that is less likely that they failed to notice and stop a couple dozen ill-intentioned guys with box cutters than that they deliberately allowed thousands of American citizens to be murdered for no apparent purpose while simultaneously covering up this fact under intense scrutiny for eight years. That makes perfect sense---, no wait, that makes no sense at all.

[Fighter4u]

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tl;dr

Too lazy? Didn't read?

[Blouman Empire]

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tl;dr

Too lazy? Didn't read?

lol, don't need to read it me and Taeshan have already told everyone what really happened.

[Katganistan]

Abraham Lincoln was elected to Congress in 1846.
John F. Kennedy was elected to Congress in 1946.
Abraham Lincoln was elected President in 1860.
John F. Kennedy was elected President in 1960.
The names Lincoln and Kennedy each contain seven letters.
Both were particularly concerned with civil rights.
Both wives lost their children while living in the White House.
Both Presidents were shot on a Friday.
Both were shot in the head.
Lincoln's secretary was named Kennedy.
Kennedy's secretary was named Lincoln.
Both were assassinated by Southerners.
Both were succeeded by Southerners.
Both successors were named Johnson.
Andrew Johnson, who succeeded Lincoln, was born in 1808.
Lyndon Johnson, who succeeded Kennedy, was born in 1908.
John Wilkes Booth, who assassinated Lincoln was born in 1839.
Lee Harvey Oswald, who assassinated Kennedy was born in 1939.
Both assassins were known by their three names.
Both names comprise fifteen letters.
Booth ran from the theatre and was caught in a warehouse.
Oswald ran from a warehouse and was caught in a theatre.
Booth and Oswald were both assassinated before their trials.
And here's the kicker :
A week before Lincoln was shot he was in Monroe, Maryland.
A week before Kennedy was shot he was with Marilyn Monroe

http://www.snopes.com/history/american/ ... ennedy.asp
Not so fast, Chicken Marengo!

[New Hayesalia]

Yep, make sense, for the most friendly and best nation in the world to kill 3000+ people and cause billions of dollars in damage to their country. Beautiful way to get ahead in the economy! Honestly, to all the conspiracy theorists out there, grow a freaking brain! Yes, we landed on the moon, No, there are no mind control chips, and Walt Disney was not frozen! Jesus!

[Mad hatters in jeans]

Abraham Lincoln was elected to Congress in 1846.
John F. Kennedy was elected to Congress in 1946.
Abraham Lincoln was elected President in 1860.
John F. Kennedy was elected President in 1960.
The names Lincoln and Kennedy each contain seven letters.
Both were particularly concerned with civil rights.
Both wives lost their children while living in the White House.
Both Presidents were shot on a Friday.
Both were shot in the head.
Lincoln's secretary was named Kennedy.
Kennedy's secretary was named Lincoln.
Both were assassinated by Southerners.
Both were succeeded by Southerners.
Both successors were named Johnson.
Andrew Johnson, who succeeded Lincoln, was born in 1808.
Lyndon Johnson, who succeeded Kennedy, was born in 1908.
John Wilkes Booth, who assassinated Lincoln was born in 1839.
Lee Harvey Oswald, who assassinated Kennedy was born in 1939.
Both assassins were known by their three names.
Both names comprise fifteen letters.
Booth ran from the theatre and was caught in a warehouse.
Oswald ran from a warehouse and was caught in a theatre.
Booth and Oswald were both assassinated before their trials.
And here's the kicker :
A week before Lincoln was shot he was in Monroe, Maryland.
A week before Kennedy was shot he was with Marilyn Monroe

http://www.snopes.com/history/american/ ... ennedy.asp
Not so fast, Chicken Marengo!

I love that conspiracy, it's almost believeable. heard about it when Obama was banging his drum for support, yeah not even folks in Scotland are safe from the US. probably the least safe actually. The confederacy was a bad idea.

[Katganistan]

Yep, make sense, for the most friendly and best nation in the world to kill 3000+ people and cause billions of dollars in damage to their country. Beautiful way to get ahead in the economy! Honestly, to all the conspiracy theorists out there, grow a freaking brain! Yes, we landed on the moon, No, there are no mind control chips, and Walt Disney was not frozen! Jesus!

What about Jesus? Real or not real?

Oh yes I did go there.

[Mad hatters in jeans]

Yep, make sense, for the most friendly and best nation in the world to kill 3000+ people and cause billions of dollars in damage to their country. Beautiful way to get ahead in the economy! Honestly, to all the conspiracy theorists out there, grow a freaking brain! Yes, we landed on the moon, No, there are no mind control chips, and Walt Disney was not frozen! Jesus!

Walt disney was frozen?

[Maduland]

What do you think of these conspiracy theorists that think up all this shit? That the government used it as a cover up or what not. What's your take on this.
I'd make a poll but I don't know how to...

Okay, my take on this is as follows:

Do I think our government actually crashed planes into those buildings? No. Do I think think they knew about it before hand? Yes. Personally I believe they let it happen. The idea that a bunch of guys living in caves could outsmart our intelligence agencies and pull off the biggest terrorist attack in history seems illogical to me. No matter how inefficient our bloated government is (and as a Libertarian, I think it is tenfold) they still knew it was coming.

So while you believe that the government is inefficient and bloated, you think that is less likely that they failed to notice and stop a couple dozen ill-intentioned guys with box cutters than that they deliberately allowed thousands of American citizens to be murdered for no apparent purpose while simultaneously covering up this fact under intense scrutiny for eight years. That makes perfect sense---, no wait, that makes no sense at all.

What scrutiny? Even the 911 Comission head said he didn't believe what they published because they were lied to at every turn, but no one seemed to care.

Only "crazy people believe" elements in our government would be willing to kill a few people in exchange for power and control. I mean sure they're willing to kill hundreds of thousands of other people but a couple thousand Americans that's different right? It's just a coincidence all these plans were written up and ready to go, just waiting for a 'New Pearl Harbor' that just happened to come along right on schedule.

[New Hayesalia]

Yep, make sense, for the most friendly and best nation in the world to kill 3000+ people and cause billions of dollars in damage to their country. Beautiful way to get ahead in the economy! Honestly, to all the conspiracy theorists out there, grow a freaking brain! Yes, we landed on the moon, No, there are no mind control chips, and Walt Disney was not frozen! Jesus!

What about Jesus? Real or not real?

Oh yes I did go there.

I don't care if you went there; I'm atheist. And no. Walt Disney is not in a freezer.

[Katganistan]

Yep, make sense, for the most friendly and best nation in the world to kill 3000+ people and cause billions of dollars in damage to their country. Beautiful way to get ahead in the economy! Honestly, to all the conspiracy theorists out there, grow a freaking brain! Yes, we landed on the moon, No, there are no mind control chips, and Walt Disney was not frozen! Jesus!

What about Jesus? Real or not real?

Oh yes I did go there.

I don't care if you went there; I'm atheist. And no. Walt Disney is not in a freezer.

If you're an atheist, why call on Jesus?

[North Suran]

What scrutiny? Even the 911 Comission head said he didn't believe what they published because they were lied to at every turn, but no one seemed to care.

Only "crazy people believe" elements in our government would be willing to kill a few people in exchange for power and control. I mean sure they're willing to kill hundreds of thousands of other people but a couple thousand Americans that's different right? It's just a coincidence all these plans were written up and ready to go, just waiting for a 'New Pearl Harbor' that just happened to come along right on schedule.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor

[Risottia]

What do you think of these conspiracy theorists that think up all this shit? That the government used it as a cover up or what not. What's your take on this.
I'd make a poll but I don't know how to...

Actually I think it's quite ascertained that the Bush administration knew that something was going to happen, and downplayed the numerous intelligence reports.
Whether they did so because they actually wanted an attack to happen, or because of their criminal incompetence and carelessness, I think we'll never know for sure. Of course, the fact that both the Bushes and Rummy had all that relations with Talibans, the Bin Laden family and Saddam doesn't play in their favour, does it.

[Meridistan]

What do you think of these conspiracy theorists that think up all this shit? That the government used it as a cover up or what not. What's your take on this.
I'd make a poll but I don't know how to...

Actually I think it's quite ascertained that the Bush administration knew that something was going to happen, and downplayed the numerous intelligence reports.
Whether they did so because they actually wanted an attack to happen, or because of their criminal incompetence and carelessness, I think we'll never know for sure. Of course, the fact that both the Bushes and Rummy had all that relations with Talibans, the Bin Laden family and Saddam doesn't play in their favour, does it.

So far my view is that it is a result of the latter; criminal incompetence and carelessness. I certainly feel like the entire thing shouldn't have happened, considering all the massive red flags. So far I have seen no evidence that there was any deliberate attempt on their part to allow the attack however, so until then I default to the incompetence explanation.

[Gelgisith]

What's your take on [9/11 being an inside job]

Of course it's an inside job! It was the Dempublicrats trying to dislodge Dubya from power!

What? It makes more sense than the 'controlled demolition' notion.

[Klanishnikav]

...idk, wen you look at the past....the war in vietnam was started because according to LBJ our ships were attacked in the gulf of tonkin, but then one day the pentagon papers came out saying LBJ lied, and eye-witnesses on the boats say they were never attacked, y did he lie? because at that time as executive power during time of war, you basically get more power and became a dictator, controlling everything in soecity, from what you eat-to what you buy...then in 1991 bush Sr. saw conflicts in the middle east, well he wanted to protect his money(the bush family sold a large sum of oil from the saudi's and quwati's to the U.S.) but congress didnt think that was a good enough reason, so, he made up some phony reason of freedom and democracy needed to be in the iraq...but in the end he didnt change anything and even left sadaum hussein in power..where did he learn this trick from who else but reagan, in fact when jimmy carter was in office, a bunch of terrorist catured about, i think 60 people, and carter tried to save them, but they wouldnt bugde...then on inaguration day of reagan, all the hostages were released, they had been hostage for 444 days...coinsidence..i think not....so, enough of the history lesson

just think of bush Jr. himself he was nuts just like his dad and just like reagan..they were all greedy people....so for me, personally, i wouldn't find it surprising if in like 10 years they find some legal papers telling us that the bush adminstration was behind the WTC attack and that it all was in sake for "freedom and democracy"

[Maduland]

What scrutiny? Even the 911 Comission head said he didn't believe what they published because they were lied to at every turn, but no one seemed to care.

Only "crazy people believe" elements in our government would be willing to kill a few people in exchange for power and control. I mean sure they're willing to kill hundreds of thousands of other people but a couple thousand Americans that's different right? It's just a coincidence all these plans were written up and ready to go, just waiting for a 'New Pearl Harbor' that just happened to come along right on schedule.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor

Which allows others to get away with crime because someone else idea of their ineptitude.

Who's really inept in that situation?

In the end, the greater the crime, the easier it is to get away with.

[Classical Liberal]

Err... anyone believing this was an inside job, I really wish was inside the Trade Centers when they got hit.

[Phenia]

Err... anyone believing this was an inside job, I really wish was inside the Trade Centers when they got hit.

That's a pretty ugly fucking thing to say. The emoticon I take it is your evidence that you're just having a little harmless fun, but what you're really doing is wishing death on people.

Shameful.

[Classical Liberal]

Err... anyone believing this was an inside job, I really wish was inside the Trade Centers when they got hit.

That's a pretty ugly fucking thing to say. The emoticon I take it is your evidence that you're just having a little harmless fun, but what you're really doing is wishing death on people.

Shameful.

No, I don't wish them dead, but I just wish they were there to see this massive plane going straight at them through the glass and steel, and then have them scream "INSIDE JOBZ!!!!"

[Maduland]

Err... anyone believing this was an inside job, I really wish was inside the Trade Centers when they got hit.

How happily you wish for the deaths of millions because they disagree with you, yet you can't believe someone could kill 3000 to grab power.

[Phenia]

Err... anyone believing this was an inside job, I really wish was inside the Trade Centers when they got hit.

That's a pretty ugly fucking thing to say. The emoticon I take it is your evidence that you're just having a little harmless fun, but what you're really doing is wishing death on people.

Shameful.

No, I don't wish them dead, but I just wish they were there to see this massive plane going straight at them through the glass and steel, and then have them scream "INSIDE JOBZ!!!!"

So you wish they were in the WTC when it got hit, but you wish they would have magically survived. How generous of you. I can see you're obviously a kind-hearted individual, wouldn't wish death on even a fly...

[EternalNight]

Err... anyone believing this was an inside job, I really wish was inside the Trade Centers when they got hit.

That's a pretty ugly fucking thing to say. The emoticon I take it is your evidence that you're just having a little harmless fun, but what you're really doing is wishing death on people.

Shameful.

No, I don't wish them dead, but I just wish they were there to see this massive plane going straight at them through the glass and steel, and then have them scream "INSIDE JOBZ!!!!"

That's kind of wishing them death, since they would soon get vaporized...

[Maduland]

Err... anyone believing this was an inside job, I really wish was inside the Trade Centers when they got hit.

That's a pretty ugly fucking thing to say. The emoticon I take it is your evidence that you're just having a little harmless fun, but what you're really doing is wishing death on people.

Shameful.

No, I don't wish them dead, but I just wish they were there to see this massive plane going straight at them through the glass and steel, and then have them scream "INSIDE JOBZ!!!!"

And what exactly would that prove?

The question is who were they working for?

Bombshell: Bin Laden worked for US till 9/11

Fri Jul 31, 2009 at 05:01:42 AM PDT

Former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds dropped a bombshell on the Mike Malloy radio show, guest-hosted by Brad Friedman (audio, partial transcript).

In the interview, Sibel says that the US maintained 'intimate relations' with Bin Laden, and the Taliban, "all the way until that day of September 11."

These 'intimate relations' included using Bin Laden for 'operations' in Central Asia, including Xinjiang, China. These 'operations' involved using al Qaeda and the Taliban in the same manner "as we did during the Afghan and Soviet conflict," that is, fighting 'enemies' via proxies.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/ ... -till-9-11