9/11 a inside job? Seriously?

[Blouman Empire]

It takes several weeks, if not months, to properly set up a controlled demolition. If bomb sniffing dogs were there up to a few days before 9/11, they would have detected the explosives beforehand.

Or they did, and their handlers were in on the whole thing and didn't do anything about it.

Yeah, didn't think about that now did you?

[Gun Manufacturers]

It takes several weeks, if not months, to properly set up a controlled demolition. If bomb sniffing dogs were there up to a few days before 9/11, they would have detected the explosives beforehand.

Or they did, and their handlers were in on the whole thing and didn't do anything about it.

Yeah, didn't think about that now did you?

And what about the tangle of det cord, chain-link fencing, and geotextile fabric that's used during a controlled demolition?

[Meridistan]

In the days leading up to 9-11, the explosive sniffing dogs were pulled from the Towers. Here's an exerpt from Newsday

Heightened Security Alert Had Just Been Lifted
By Curtis L. Taylor and Sean Gardiner
STAFF WRITERS

September 12, 2001

The World Trade Center was destroyed just days after a heightened security alert was lifted at the landmark 110-story towers, security personnel said yesterday.

Daria Coard, 37, a guard at Tower One, said the security detail had been working 12-hour shifts for the past two weeks because of numerous phone threats. But on Thursday, bomb-sniffing dogs were abruptly removed.

...

Marvin P. Bush, the president’s younger brother, was a principal in a company called Securacom that provided security for the World Trade Center, United Airlines, and Dulles International Airport. The company was backed by KuwAm, a Kuwaiti-American investment firm on whose board Marvin Burns also served. [Utne]

The company lists as government clients "the U.S. Army, U.S. Navy, U.S Air force, and the Department of Justice," in projects that "often require state-of-the-art security solutions for classified or high-risk government sites."


Whatever went on that day, and the events that led up to it, one thing is certain. It's way bigger than anything they'll ever let us know. But the wild conspiracy theory with little evidence backing it up is that 19 arab terrorists armed with boxcutters outwitted and outsmarted the most costly and efficient military and security on the planet and managed to hit the Pentagon with a plane well after we knew we were under attack.

None of the debunkers have ever addressed the diagonally-cut iron beams and the molten metal. even the Popular Mechanics article states quite clearly that the temperatures in the Towers never reached the level of melting metal.


I know you probaby sleep better at night thinking that the enemy is a bunch of robe-wearing camel jockeys, but my friend, the people who really rule the world are few and hidden. Research the Bilderberg group and get back to me.

Well, first of all, in reference to the bomb-sniffing dogs being pulled, remember that setting up the amount of explosives needed to bring down the towers would take more than a few days, and would not go unnoticed. To place them without anyone knowing, you would need to slowly be installing them over a long period of time, using several planted agents; this is where the dogs, which as you say were there up until days prior to the event, come in. They would have most certainly detected something. If you argue that the explosives were planted after the dogs were pulled, you basically imply that every single person who traveled by or worked in/near the places where the demolitions would have been placed had noticed absolutely nothing wrong, never reported it to the police, and never talked about it after the event.

Now then, moving onto the "most costly and efficient military and security in the world." I'm going to have to call you on that. Costly? Most certainly. But efficient? Our military, to be honest, is nowhere near efficient. I suggest you read The Pentagon Wars by Burton (mostly because it's the most immediate example I have off-hand thank to having just read it). The level of incompetence that exists in the chain-of-command is certainly a result of corruption, but so far does not suggest a deliberate action on their part to initiate something like this. After all, these people are more than capable of milking the taxpayers for obscene sums of money without needing to pull off a stunt like this.

As for diagonally cut beams and molten metal, I must ask you to address what has already been posted about the controlled demolition conducted afterwards to finish what was left of the now unsafe towers. Furthermore, if you attempt to link either as an explanation for why the buildings collapsed as I did, may I point you to the reports issued by pretty much every licensed civil and structural engineer who has had access to the data.

Conspiracies are indeed possible (see Watergate, and the various known false-flag operations mentioned before). However, if the choice is between conclusions based off "odd coincidences" and shoddy science or between trusted professionals releasing their findings based off of analysis of the evidence, I'm going to go with the professionals. Remember, as the Cracked article I posted earlier points out, the amount of people that would need to be paid off would make this unfeasible. Furthermore, I'm not worried about the "robe-wearing camel jockeys" (you could just say arabs, or muslims, or some non-inflammatory way of referring to a group of people), nor about this "Bilderberg" group which I am already aware of. If you have any evidence of wrongdoing, especially wrongdoing of such an epic scale, I must ask that you get the word out.

[Blouman Empire]

And what about the tangle of det cord, chain-link fencing, and geotextile fabric that's used during a controlled demolition?

I have seen some offices, that are messier than that picture, maybe the employees just thought that it was standard, and what isn't apart fo their job doesn't concern them.

Dammit, why is it when I try to find an image that will show that I am grasping at straws, all it shows are drinking straws? Not good, those aren't the straws they mean people.

[Kazz-the-wolfie]

i hate george bush and i have said some pretty mean things about him in my day. but i would NEVER think that he had anything to do with 9/11. no president would do something like that. not even one i despise.

besides he didnt have time enough to plan something this big and there would have to be so many people involved--good patriotic americans--that the secret would be impossible to keep.

I HAVE to say it, just because. TECHNICALLY it would only take say 15 people to pull something of this magnitude. One person from high up giving orders, a hand full of engineers and programmers, someone who could gain access to the controls (say a disgruntled employee, or someone with clearance claiming it was a safety inspection) and one or two people who can do decent impressions. Step one design a program to override the controls, for say a government specialist in programming and with the knowledge in the planes controls and wiring no big deal. Step two install it in the controls under the paneling and leave it there until needed. Step three wait until planes are airborne override the communications and have the actors sound like panicked pilots. Step four crash the planes into their targets and choose your people to blame. Off two actors and boom no loose ends even other than the military who are expandable in the up and coming war on terror.

[Taeshan]

And what about the tangle of det cord, chain-link fencing, and geotextile fabric that's used during a controlled demolition?

I have seen some offices, that are messier than that picture, maybe the employees just thought that it was standard, and what isn't apart fo their job doesn't concern them.

Dammit, why is it when I try to find an image that will show that I am grasping at straws, all it shows are drinking straws? Not good, those aren't the straws they mean people.

Maybe all the people who worked their wer ein on it. I mean then all the stories of the people who kept on saving people were faked and all those people who "died" are really on a secret island in the carribean.

[Blouman Empire]

Maybe all the people who worked their wer ein on it. I mean then all the stories of the people who kept on saving people were faked and all those people who "died" are really on a secret island in the carribean.

Haha, maybe, but the thing is you don't need a whole lot of people to be in on it, all you needed was about 25 people at most and 7 CIA agents who were willing to kill themselves for the greater good.

Everyone else involved were just pawns who had no idea what was going on.

K, this doesn't work out for the whole building was demolished thing but yeah.

[Taeshan]

Maybe all the people who worked their wer ein on it. I mean then all the stories of the people who kept on saving people were faked and all those people who "died" are really on a secret island in the carribean.

Haha, maybe, but the thing is you don't need a whole lot of people to be in on it, all you needed was about 25 people at most and 7 CIA agents who were willing to kill themselves for the greater good.

Everyone else involved were just pawns who had no idea what was going on.

K, this doesn't work out for the whole building was demolished thing but yeah.

But it would make it so much easier if they were all in on it, and just borded a plain that flew elsewhere(maybe even into the towers, hmm)

[Blouman Empire]

But it would make it so much easier if they were all in on it, and just borded a plain that flew elsewhere(maybe even into the towers, hmm)

Aha, that's the one that crashed in Philadelphia, they double crossed them, made them believe they were going to live the rest of the life on a Pacific Island with everything provided for them, but on their sent the plane down to the ground.

[Taeshan]

But it would make it so much easier if they were all in on it, and just borded a plain that flew elsewhere(maybe even into the towers, hmm)

Aha, that's the one that crashed in Philadelphia, they double crossed them, made them believe they were going to live the rest of the life on a Pacific Island with everything provided for them, but on their sent the plane down to the ground.

Hey in mine it was in the Carribean. And that would be a great conspiracy, a cover up of a cover up. The Gods.

[Blouman Empire]

Hey in mine it was in the Carribean. And that would be a great conspiracy, a cover up of a cover up. The Gods.

And it all makes sense.

[Taeshan]

Hey in mine it was in the Carribean. And that would be a great conspiracy, a cover up of a cover up. The Gods.

And it all makes sense.

And they look into each others eyes and realize they have finally discovered the truth. Then they both walk of in the distance and find a girl.

[Blouman Empire]

And they look into each others eyes and realize they have finally discovered the truth. Then they both walk of in the distance and find a girl.

To share? At the same time?

[Fighter4u]

i hate george bush and i have said some pretty mean things about him in my day. but i would NEVER think that he had anything to do with 9/11. no president would do something like that. not even one i despise.

besides he didnt have time enough to plan something this big and there would have to be so many people involved--good patriotic americans--that the secret would be impossible to keep.

I HAVE to say it, just because. TECHNICALLY it would only take say 15 people to pull something of this magnitude. One person from high up giving orders, a hand full of engineers and programmers, someone who could gain access to the controls (say a disgruntled employee, or someone with clearance claiming it was a safety inspection) and one or two people who can do decent impressions. Step one design a program to override the controls, for say a government specialist in programming and with the knowledge in the planes controls and wiring no big deal. Step two install it in the controls under the paneling and leave it there until needed. Step three wait until planes are airborne override the communications and have the actors sound like panicked pilots. Step four crash the planes into their targets and choose your people to blame. Off two actors and boom no loose ends even other than the military who are expandable in the up and coming war on terror.

Ands no ones reads the cracked article even those two different people besides me says you should read it. I wonder what it has to say about rigging the WTC towers to be bombed hmm?

Here's why. The entire 9/11 "Truth" movement rests on the idea that the World Trade Center towers were rigged with explosives, a "Controlled Demolition" like you see with old buildings. That's the whole thing. They say the buildings couldn't have come down otherwise.

Forget the fact that no experts on the subject agree with them. That's not the point right now. We're just trying to get inside these guys' heads.

Now, maybe you could keep the plan itself a secret. A few dozen murderous black ops guys, demolitions experts with a grudge against the USA, maybe they've been brainwashed. Who knows. Maybe it could be done. People point out that the Manhattan Project to build the atomic bomb was kept a secret, so why not this?

But the cover-up. Holy shit, guys. Covering this thing up after the fact would be like trying to keep the atomic bomb a secret after Hiroshima. Just wait 'till you hear this.

First, picture the demolitions teams wiring up the World Trade Center towers with explosives prior to the attack. Obviously you couldn't do it during business hours, since it'd be kind of hard to explain to the 100,000 people who worked at or visited the WTC towers on any given day why you had a huge chunk of wall torn out and were wiring up a bomb on the steel beams there.

I mean, keep in mind, I don't know how big of a job that would be (no one has ever demolished a building that size before) but a building just half the size of one WTC tower took 4,000 separate charges to bring down. Four thousand.

That job took seven months of prep work... and they had the run of an abandoned building, without having to hide their work from 100,000 people every day. Our demolition crew, on the other hand, can work only at night and has to spend the last bit of every shift carefully repairing the wall and hiding any evidence of charges or detonators as not to be discovered during the day.

Huge teams of demolitions experts, who had no problem wiring a building full of innocent New Yorkers to explode, hired in secret, worked every night for what had to be a year (and that's only if they had a big enough crew) placing maybe 10,000 separate charges in each tower and another few thousand in WTC 7 (the smaller WTC tower that also collapsed, later in the day on 9/11).

And nobody notices.

That's right. That's the theory they're putting out there. 100,000 DVDs they've sold with this.

Truckloads of bombs, dozens of mysterious workers, going in and out of the building, night after night. Security at the building doesn't catch them, Port Authority Police don't catch them, random eyewitnesses who stumble across the operation and call the cops don't catch them, maintenance workers who stumble across wet paint and repaired walls and bits of strange wire don't catch them, security cameras don't catch them.

The bomb-sniffing dogs who were brought in from time to time (remember, these buildings were bombed by terrorists in 1993) who are trained to find even one bomb, fail to notice the 10,000 bombs lining their building.

(My Note: Same dogs that were their several days before the attack.)

If you're saying that nothing could possibly be more retarded than that, you're wrong.

No, they're just getting started. It's at this stage of the hypothetical plot when the 9/11 conspiracy guys say the real cover-up began. This is when all of the many, many people who could have blown the lid off the whole thing chose to stay silent because they were paid off by the government.

That includes hundreds of private researchers and government employees who prepared gigantic reports about the collapse of the towers from the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) and the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA).

Also, officials in the New York City Fire Department.

All were written fat checks, say the conspiracy guys, to cover up the murder of 3,000 New Yorkers. Keep in mind, some of them were New Yorkers themselves - all of the FDNY guys were - and some of them had friends who died in the towers. The theory even says it was the commander of the FDNY itself who detonated one of the buildings, and therefore he was in on the decision to kill 343 of his own firefighters and 60 police officers.

For money. If that were you... how big would that check have to be? These are people he saw every day, worked with every day. He went to weddings, birthday parties, to baseball games with these guys. In the mind of the 9/11 conspiracy, he'd kill them all for a big enough pile of cash.

Would you?

There's more. We have hundreds, if not thousands, of reporters and writers who researched the collapse, including the nine reporters and dozens of experts for the huge Popular Mechanics article on the subject.

They were paid off, too. And paid enough to walk away from the story of a lifetime, a chance to blow the lid off the conspiracy. Paid enough to refuse a sure Pulitzer and a lifetime of fame and riches as one of history's greatest heroes. And paid in such a way that no other reporters would notice and get jealous or ask questions. These people do tend to be the curious type, you know.

We're getting a nice sized payroll here. Now let's add in the hundreds of people from a dozen different agencies and police departments who claim to have helped clean up flight 93 wreckage, including 300 volunteers. The conspiracy guys say there was no plane, therefore they were paid to lie, along with all of the witnesses in Pennsylvania who claim to have seen the plane go down.

But wait, there's more. Because there are hundreds of thousands of civil engineers and structural engineers in the world (people who are experts in what makes buildings fall down) and lots of demolitions experts. Approximately zero of them say the 9/11 attacks looked like bombed buildings. All of them either say outright that the demolition theory is asinine, or are silent in the face of what the Loose Changers say is video proof of mass murder so obvious even an uneducated jackass off the street can spot it.

The conspiracy guys' explanation?

You guessed it. They were paid to stay silent. Hey, why not? Probably half a million people there, but, you know. Since we've got the checkbook out anyway...

Also, think of all of the friends and family of these paid conspirators, who suddenly see all this mysterious wealth...

...Wouldn't some rumors get started?

You've got some hypothetical professor who was about to write a paper proving the towers were demolished, suddenly coming into Powerball-sized wealth and abandoning the paper at the same time... his wife never let it slip? His kids didn't object? All his jealous colleagues who noticed the sudden new cars and new home and elaborate vacations, nobody asked questions? Nobody made an anonymous call to the IRS, just out of spite? All the bank employees who noticed thousands of mysterious deposits, all of which have to be reported to the IRS, that didn't leave a trail?

I mean, we're up to a sizeable portion of the US population here. Odds are you've passed some of these people on the street.

Today.

And keep in mind, this can't be chump change. Even in a world where every structural engineering desk jockey is okay with mass murder, they're still not going to risk jail and career ruin and walk away from a huge book deal for ten grand. Oh, no, it's got to be millions, per person, just to make it worth it. Even a dedicated conspirator would need to know he or she was set for life.

Let's say they wrote 500,000 checks (hell, you've got more than 120,000 people in the American Society of Civil Engineers alone, and they'd be the first ones to speak out). Say the average payout was ten million (barely enough to live rich the rest of your life, but let's just say). So that's 500,000 times ten million which is...

...Five TRILLION dollars.

That's about half of the value of all goods and services produced in the United States last year. Therefore the 9/11 conspiracy was, in terms of payroll, the single largest employer in the history of the world.

And here's the kicker...

100% of the people who were offered the deal, took it.

After all, we don't have a single person who has come running into the offices of the New York Times, waving a check and saying, "look! Here's a check for ten million smackers that the government gave me to be silent about 9/11! Can you believe these assholes? Now give me my book deal!"

Not one. Even with the lure of fame and fortune and a chance to go down in history as The Guy Who Saved American Democracy, even with the crushing guilt of seeing thousands of bodies hauled out of the rubble, even seeing the horrors of a nation turned inside out by war and paranoia that was completely manufactured as a gruesome hoax, some of these people having their own friends and families and colleagues die in the attacks, not one turned down the money... or took the money and came forward anyway.

And that, is the conspiracy mindset.

http://www.cracked.com/article_15740_was-911-inside-job.html --READ IT!!!

[Blouman Empire]

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tl;dr

[Taeshan]

And they look into each others eyes and realize they have finally discovered the truth. Then they both walk of in the distance and find a girl.

To share? At the same time?

Get your own man, weirdo.

I only do three ways with two women.

[Meridistan]

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tl;dr

That's probably the reason

[Cameroi]

the same donald rumsfield who was secretary of defence under shrubery, was cia head under raygun.
i'm not saying that to prove anything, only to clearify any supposed misunderstanding as to his identity.

ragun got elected by khomani, bush got reelected by ben laudin.
i know that's an oversimplification, and bush himself wasn't really that important,
other then being someone told he could 'warm the chair' as long as he was complient
with the real powers, in whom cheny at least participated.

cheny, rove, rumsfield. these are the "human" faces.
even if none of them were the mechinics directly.

the self distruct mechanism in building seven, if there was one,
which there might or might not have been, if there was one,
had been incorporated into its origeonal construction to safeguard the security
of records stored there.

but that's really entirely a side issue. if there was one,
and it was accidentally triggered by what happened to buildings one and two,
well, that's a really big if and entirely a side issue, as far as i can see.

but i do believe ben lauding was getting his marching orders ultimately
from rumsfield or cheney, or some sort of deniable cut off, with their
full knowledge. the same as rumsfield played hussain both ways on kewite,
which was part of the push to get him killed to cover up.

that one IS a matter of public record too.

but the towers, yes the heat from the fuel from the planes softend the girders enough for the slab floors to colapse onto one another. the physical side of the story i'm not doubting.

but the political side, the looking the other way, the smoothing the way for the event to happen, and its resemblence to the research, a certain project northwoods, i believe it was called, conducted by american intelligence agencies, these things just add up more logically with the triumverate of fanatical neo-money worshipers as directors of its planning and probably some phases of its exicution.

and as the so called war on terror, being primarilly conductuted as a smoke screen to cover all this up.

i mean, what do you think is likely the real reason for having held so called enimy combatants incomunicado for so long, rather then treating them as geniva convention prisoners of war?

[Kelewann]

What do you think of these conspiracy theorists that think up all this shit? That the government used it as a cover up or what not. What's your take on this.
I'd make a poll but I don't know how to...

im not sure, but i think something is fishy when the person who owned those 2 building made sure that if they got destroyed he would get a hell of a lot of money. Usually I wouldnt find this suspiciouse, but he did this the day before they crashed.

[Gun Manufacturers]

the same donald rumsfield who was secretary of defence under shrubery, was cia head under raygun.
i'm not saying that to prove anything, only to clearify any supposed misunderstanding as to his identity.

ragun got elected by khomani, bush got reelected by ben laudin.
i know that's an oversimplification, and bush himself wasn't really that important,
other then being someone told he could 'warm the chair' as long as he was complient
with the real powers, in whom cheny at least participated.

cheny, rove, rumsfield. these are the "human" faces.
even if none of them were the mechinics directly.

the self distruct mechanism in building seven, if there was one,
which there might or might not have been, if there was one,
had been incorporated into its origeonal construction to safeguard the security
of records stored there.

but that's really entirely a side issue. if there was one,
and it was accidentally triggered by what happened to buildings one and two,
well, that's a really big if and entirely a side issue, as far as i can see.

but i do believe ben lauding was getting his marching orders ultimately
from rumsfield or cheney, or some sort of deniable cut off, with their
full knowledge. the same as rumsfield played hussain both ways on kewite,
which was part of the push to get him killed to cover up.

that one IS a matter of public record too.

but the towers, yes the heat from the fuel from the planes softend the girders enough for the slab floors to colapse onto one another. the physical side of the story i'm not doubting.

but the political side, the looking the other way, the smoothing the way for the event to happen, and its resemblence to the research, a certain project northwoods, i believe it was called, conducted by american intelligence agencies, these things just add up more logically with the triumverate of fanatical neo-money worshipers as directors of its planning and probably some phases of its exicution.

and as the so called war on terror, being primarilly conductuted as a smoke screen to cover all this up.

i mean, what do you think is likely the real reason for having held so called enimy combatants incomunicado for so long, rather then treating them as geniva convention prisoners of war?

That made my eyes bleed.

[Blouman Empire]

Get your own man, weirdo.

I only do three ways with two women.

Well I never.

[Frangland]

I was asleep on the downstairs couch. I was a second-year MBA student at Belmont and my classes were at night, so in those days I would generally sleep till ten or so. It was, oh, maybe 8:15 or so, Central time -- I forget the exact time, but not what happened next, and i'm crying now, you fuckers.

Riiiing, riiiiing, riiiiing...

I got up and answered the phone.

My girlfriend -- now (and still) my roommate/girlfriend, FWB -- told me to turn on the TV.

I said "OK" and hung up.

I turned on the TV and thought I was watching a Hollywood trailer... thought it might be the next Arnold film or something. I shit you not, that's what my awakening mind thought.

Then the commentators came back on (I think I was watching NBC) and it was like WHOA, WTF is THIS?!

After a few minutes it became clear that a bunch of pieces of shit had hijacked a plane and flown it into one of the WTC towers. That first tower was still standing as I watched with my damn chin on the floor.

Then, as they had the camera on the towers, I SAW the second plane, also hijacked by worthless pieces of shit.. I saw it FLY INTO the second tower.

I stayed there for a while. As rumors began to float that it was a terrorist group, for the first time in my life -- and this is not bullshit -- I wanted to kill people and would have felt 100% justified in doing so.

And then the Lentagon, and then news of the heroes who fucked their shit up on flight 93. I hope our patriots killed them before the plane crashed, and put ham or pork in their mouths.

I called all immediate family members to make sure they were safe.

Then -- maybe around noon or so -- I went to a bar andconsumed a copious amount of alcohol. Marathon sports bar near Nippers Corner.

I and some of the others discussed our nuclear capabilities -- could we blow up all the people responsible for this?

I have had some bad days. I remember the day in7th grade (and the weeks that followed) where the rumor was started, and spread throughout junior high, that I had jacked off in the locker room after a basketball game. That was hell. (I didn't, BTW)

Then there was the day in the fall of 1998 when my college sweetheart, probably the love of my life, broke up with me. I had graduated and moved to Chicago and she was a junior at UW, about 130 miles away in Madison. I still wanted her, and it ended badly. Ten years later, it's funny, but I wish I could just talk to her. We were such good friends. Shit, this memory just keeps getting worse! Fuck! Tiffy, I hope you are well and happy!

The day I dislocated my left shoulder (playing football) was a bad day.

The day I broke my ankle sliding into second base was a bad day.

Thevday my black lab Jake ran away was a bad day (I was 12, I loved that dog... and he did come home a few weeks later)

Family members died. I drove about 80 MPH in late December, all the way from Minocqua (WI) 210 miles down to Madison in typical Wisconsin wintertime conditions. I got to the hospital and she was still alive and I got to hug my grandma and say goodbye to her, and maybe the greatest woman who ever lived was gone the next day. And at her funeral I told the story of how her car stopped on the way to my birth, so she got out and trudged through the floodwaters (a woman of 50)... RAN through water up to her thighs... just to see me when I was born. I loved her and still love her. My sister looks just like her (my sister's eyes are identical to my late grandma's) and they have the same name. Anyhow, I miss her (she was a teacher --taught and played Hangman with my sister and I) and the day she died, I cried like a baby.

But THAT day, September 11, was the worst of my life. As I said, I wanted to kill them. Personally.

If you had given me a gun and I had seen Bin Laden or anyone who empathized or proactively supported him, I would have shot that person to death.

And with Bin Laden (or Saddam, but moreso Bin Laden) I would have first taken a razor blade and opened up tiny cuts all over him... then broken his fingers and toes... then dislocated both shoulders as I KNOW how painful that is. Then I would have capped both of his knees (.45 ACP bullets). Then I would have ripped out the hair on his head as well as his beard. Then I would have punched him repeatedly in the diaphragm for a half hour or so. Then I would have broken both of his collar bones. Then I would have stuck pitchy pine splinters under his fingernails and set them on fire, let them burn the tissue under his nails. Oh how that would hurt! Then I'd punch hiskidneys for a few minutes. Then, as my last full measure of "Fuck terrorists!" devotion, I would somehow get a boar (a male pig...) to fuck him up the ass.

Then as he lay there wishing he were dead, that I would just SAW his motherfucking head off or blow his brains out, I'd take my Sig P226 .40 S&W pistol and shoot him in the gut. Then I would unleash a swarm of blowflies to eat him alive.

Some of you think that making terrorists form naked cheerleader pyramids in places like Abu Ghraib and Gitmo constitutes torture... um, no. ROFL. LMMFAO! That is NOT torture! That's happy fun time! It beats living in a cave with maggots, fleas, etc. Those supposed "torture recipients" have clean water, three meals per day, etc. Let's get one thing straight: if you think that that is torture, you are not only weak, but I would call you a pussy to your face. That is NOT torture!

Give me Bin Laden and I'll write the fuckin' book, make him wish he were living off the land in posse commatatus territory in Montana. I'll show you torture.

Anyhow, a week or so after 9/11 I went to the Army office and took the ASVAB test and got a 99 (top 1% -- again, no bullshit). I couldn't believe it because I'm sure I failed the "engines" section.. likely I did very well in the English/math/logic sections. Anyway...

I sat down, test results in hand, and told the dude that I wanted to go to OCS (Officer Candidate School).

During the ensuing interview I answered that I'd had asthma as a child. After I left I didn't hear from them.

So I guess they'd rather have perfectly-breathing-their-whole-lives morons than the smartest --and fairly athletic... despite the mild asthma I managed to letter in football, basketball and tennis -- the smartest person in most rooms.

I was a bit bitter at that. I wonder if I could have helped my country.

Anyhow, I saw the second plane, at least, hit the tower, as it happened. That was not an illusion. And anyone who QUESTIONS the force/explosion of a jet-gas-filled passenger liner (moving at about prolly 450 MPH) on a glass-and-steel structure... that person is REALLY trying to prove a theory espoused by a nefarious agenda. IE, that person either hates GWB or America, or both... and maybe sympathizes with these scum-grown jihadist nutjobs.

[Phenia]

I know someone who occasionally works for the government and was in the Pentagon when it was attacked. He saw the plane approach and felt/heard it impact. He saw the results. It was not a fucking missile, or hologram, or whatever the latest conspiracy theory says it was.

What galls me is how many people believe wholeheartedly in the "super thermite" "controlled demolition" bullshit, or nonsense about mini-hydrogen bombs. I've also heard the theory that it was an antimatter explosive. And how of all these people most of them claim to "just want answers" and to just be "asking questions" or "wanting an investigation."

It's the SAME EXACT dishonest bullshit the Birthers peddle. They claim to just want answers. But they obviously think they have them already, and they dismiss any investigation, any answer that doesn't fit neatly in with their LOL INSIDE JOB insanity.

And like the Birthers, there's this foundation of bigotry. With the Birthers, it's the fear of foreigners usurping the US from within. With the Truthers, it's the assumption that "camel jockeys living in a cave" are incapable of posing any real threat to anyone. Ignorance and bigotry and dishonesty does not impress me. How come it apparently persuades so many people?

[Scomagia]

People should just let 9/11 go, coming up with conspiracy theories won't bring back the dead, and neither will attempting to debunk those theorists who waste their time "unraveling the plot." People should stop arguing and realize that it is unfortunate that lives were lost on that day, but arguing over the circumstances of those deaths will not change the fact of their deaths. I also believe that the more we dwell on what happened 8 years ago, the more we distract ourselves from the future.

[EternalNight]

I know someone who occasionally works for the government and was in the Pentagon when it was attacked. He saw the plane approach and felt/heard it impact. He saw the results. It was not a fucking missile, or hologram, or whatever the latest conspiracy theory says it was.

What galls me is how many people believe wholeheartedly in the "super thermite" "controlled demolition" bullshit, or nonsense about mini-hydrogen bombs. I've also heard the theory that it was an antimatter explosive. And how of all these people most of them claim to "just want answers" and to just be "asking questions" or "wanting an investigation."

It's the SAME EXACT dishonest bullshit the Birthers peddle. They claim to just want answers. But they obviously think they have them already, and they dismiss any investigation, any answer that doesn't fit neatly in with their LOL INSIDE JOB insanity.

And like the Birthers, there's this foundation of bigotry. With the Birthers, it's the fear of foreigners usurping the US from within. With the Truthers, it's the assumption that "camel jockeys living in a cave" are incapable of posing any real threat to anyone. Ignorance and bigotry and dishonesty does not impress me. How come it apparently persuades so many people?

Antimatter??? There are people cracked enough to believe that?