9/11 a inside job? Seriously?

[Meridistan]

Oh, and . . . first post. Hello world.

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You mean you guys are going to tag me? Awesome!

[King Zhaoxiang of Qin]

None of the conspiracy theories about 9-11 stand up to peer review or even common sense.

The facts of the day and everything about it has been explained in vast scientific detail over and over again.

There is not any real evidence for anything besides what is already common knowlege. Anybody who thinks so is just an idoit with an agenda. I'm as cynical and paranoid as anybody, but the government's explaination makes A WHOLE LOT MORE SENSE then anything a conspiricy "buff" has thought up.

Just look at the goddamn facts. Thats all I have to say.

But they're conspiracy theorists.

They think a lot of things are facts. They think some picture where they think they see a rocket is a fact.

They're...ya know. I'd say but it would break the rules.

[Blouman Empire]

You just THINK they aren't!

It's another conspiracy!

Made by...I dunno. Whatever random crap you want, actually. lol. I'm an open-source conspiracy theorist.

Heh, the last Olympics the opening ceremony that was suppossed to be live had parts inserted that had been recorded weeks before.

Maybe it takes 4 years for people to do all the rehersals then do the performance over and over till they get it right. Not to mention script rewrites and production.

I better make my way to London right now and see if they have a spot for me.

[Taeshan]

I meant the NS olympics, but there is not one in the claendar year but there is ion the next 12 months. Also a RL World Cup in hte next 12 months. (but back to the regular subject) I love Conspiracies, Wikipedia man, anyways that is it for now.

[Blouman Empire]

I meant the NS olympics, but there is not one in the claendar year but there is ion the next 12 months. Also a RL World Cup in hte next 12 months. (but back to the regular subject) I love Conspiracies, Wikipedia man, anyways that is it for now.

Oh, the NS Olympics well I don't know mate maybe got to look into previous ones. I really want to get back into the NS World Cup and associated events so we will see.

As for the World Cup in RSA, all I can say is come on Aussie.

[Taeshan]

I think the Aussies decided to go the cheap way by joining CAf. Now they are pretty mcuh assured a spot, while Saudi Arabia has to fight for their god-given spot as ture Asians. Anyways the Towers fell a long time ago, get over it.

[Blouman Empire]

I think the Aussies decided to go the cheap way by joining CAf. Now they are pretty mcuh assured a spot, while Saudi Arabia has to fight for their god-given spot as ture Asians. Anyways the Towers fell a long time ago, get over it.

Yeah true that, it does make it easier though there are still a few teams that would make it hard.

Saudi has no god given right, but they along with a few other West Aisan countries are phushing FIFA to split the CAF into East and West, now they can't handle the pressure.

Towers?

[Taeshan]

I think the Aussies decided to go the cheap way by joining CAf. Now they are pretty mcuh assured a spot, while Saudi Arabia has to fight for their god-given spot as ture Asians. Anyways the Towers fell a long time ago, get over it.

Yeah true that, it does make it easier though there are still a few teams that would make it hard.

Saudi has no god given right, but they along with a few other West Aisan countries are phushing FIFA to split the CAF into East and West, now they can't handle the pressure.

Towers?

Thats the subject we are on Blou. anyways East West would be good, add the whole of Oceana to east. And give each side three and a half spots and that would be awesome. (of course take two from Europe)
West
Japan
South Korea
Aussie
North Korea/New Zealand/Others

East
Saudi
Iran
Iraq
Qatar/UAE/Bahrain/Others

Oh yeah the Twoers wer ethe Twin Towers, and the other buildings.

[Tropical Montana]

The above picture shows one of the core columns of the World Trade Center. It was cut deliberately with thermite, as in a controlled demolition. Molten metal was found at the base of the WTC buildings and aluminum oxide was detected around the buildings. This is a byproduct of thermite. Both buildings were designed to withstand the impact of several planes. Once you weigh the evidence, there is no doubt that more went on than was put in the report. And why would the government not include these findings in their report? Because they have an agenda. The 9/11 incident was an excuse to go to war, one of the most profitable things that can occur for a nation. United States defense contractors reaped massive profits after 9/11 as did the Carlyle group.




Never forget World Tade Center 7. This building was never hit by an aircraft.

I don't know whether to laugh or to cry at how fucking horrible this post is.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technol ... 27842.html

omfg, i just spent TWO HOURS working on a post, only to have it LOST when i tried to submit it because i had been auto-logged out?


who can i kill?

[Gun Manufacturers]

You know, other shit than jet fuel burns... You know, thousands of pounds of rubble makes a pretty good insulator for a fire...

The only temperatures found that were hot enough to melt steel were found in the base of the building where the core columns were cut, diagonally, like they do in controlled demolitions.

Seeing as WTC tenants would have had to move around stuff like this for months (as that's how long it takes to set up a controlled demolition):

, and seeing as nobody else heard about it, I seriously doubt the WTC collapse was a controlled demolition.

http://www.howstuffworks.com/building-implosion.htm

[Discount Liquor World]

You know, other shit than jet fuel burns... You know, thousands of pounds of rubble makes a pretty good insulator for a fire...

The only temperatures found that were hot enough to melt steel were found in the base of the building where the core columns were cut, diagonally, like they do in controlled demolitions.

Seeing as WTC tenants would have had to move around stuff like this for months (as that's how long it takes to set up a controlled demolition):

, and seeing as nobody else heard about it, I seriously doubt the WTC collapse was a controlled demolition.

http://www.howstuffworks.com/building-implosion.htm

Simple answer?

Think three words.

Jewish Magic Energies.

They brought it down with their energy cystals and holy faith. All in place to enslave white people. Like you.

[Blouman Empire]

Thats the subject we are on Blou. anyways East West would be good, add the whole of Oceana to east. And give each side three and a half spots and that would be awesome. (of course take two from Europe)
West
Japan
South Korea
Aussie
North Korea/New Zealand/Others

East
Saudi
Iran
Iraq
Qatar/UAE/Bahrain/Others

Dude, you're dreaming, if the Middle East countries can't make it on their own against lesser opponents why should they make it into the Cup? It would bring down the game.

And if we are going to take any spots away from anyone it should be from North America, they have three and a half far to many, and the only reason they have it is to ensure that the USA gets a team in every cup without it there is a strong chance that they won't be in. Europe is the main section of football and not only has a strong fan base but also a lot of depth we don't want to take away any more european spots.

Oh yeah the Twoers wer ethe Twin Towers, and the other buildings.

Oh is this what the thread was meant to be about.

[Phenia]

I see that in addition to being our resident "Jews control the world" anti-Semite, Unterzagersdorf is our resident 9/11 "Jews did 9/11" conspiracy theorist.

[Tropical Montana]

You know, other shit than jet fuel burns... You know, thousands of pounds of rubble makes a pretty good insulator for a fire...

The only temperatures found that were hot enough to melt steel were found in the base of the building where the core columns were cut, diagonally, like they do in controlled demolitions.

Seeing as WTC tenants would have had to move around stuff like this for months (as that's how long it takes to set up a controlled demolition):

, and seeing as nobody else heard about it, I seriously doubt the WTC collapse was a controlled demolition.

http://www.howstuffworks.com/building-implosion.htm

In the days leading up to 9-11, the explosive sniffing dogs were pulled from the Towers. Here's an exerpt from Newsday

Heightened Security Alert Had Just Been Lifted
By Curtis L. Taylor and Sean Gardiner
STAFF WRITERS

September 12, 2001

The World Trade Center was destroyed just days after a heightened security alert was lifted at the landmark 110-story towers, security personnel said yesterday.

Daria Coard, 37, a guard at Tower One, said the security detail had been working 12-hour shifts for the past two weeks because of numerous phone threats. But on Thursday, bomb-sniffing dogs were abruptly removed.

...

Marvin P. Bush, the president’s younger brother, was a principal in a company called Securacom that provided security for the World Trade Center, United Airlines, and Dulles International Airport. The company was backed by KuwAm, a Kuwaiti-American investment firm on whose board Marvin Burns also served. [Utne]

The company lists as government clients "the U.S. Army, U.S. Navy, U.S Air force, and the Department of Justice," in projects that "often require state-of-the-art security solutions for classified or high-risk government sites."


Whatever went on that day, and the events that led up to it, one thing is certain. It's way bigger than anything they'll ever let us know. But the wild conspiracy theory with little evidence backing it up is that 19 arab terrorists armed with boxcutters outwitted and outsmarted the most costly and efficient military and security on the planet and managed to hit the Pentagon with a plane well after we knew we were under attack.

None of the debunkers have ever addressed the diagonally-cut iron beams and the molten metal. even the Popular Mechanics article states quite clearly that the temperatures in the Towers never reached the level of melting metal.


I know you probaby sleep better at night thinking that the enemy is a bunch of robe-wearing camel jockeys, but my friend, the people who really rule the world are few and hidden. Research the Bilderberg group and get back to me.

[Taeshan]

They should just do it like on NS, straight out rankings. It would be better overall as it would really get rid of the stupid regions. Straightly based on rankings instead of were you are, and BTW we should just make a World Cup Discussion thread for RL.

[EternalNight]

As far as that pillar, there was metal cutting and limited demolitions done AFTER the collapse. Both to excavate in the hope of finding survivors, and later to remove debris for cleanup.

That looks like a thermal cutting bar was used. Likely a crane was linked to the top of the (much taller) piece of metal, the cutting rig was sued, then the crane hauled off the top part so it would not fall and crush potential survivors.

And the building collapse started on an upper floor, not at the bottom. Making it even more likely that pillar cut was a result of rescue or recovery operations.

[Blouman Empire]

They should just do it like on NS, straight out rankings. It would be better overall as it would really get rid of the stupid regions. Straightly based on rankings instead of were you are, and BTW we should just make a World Cup Discussion thread for RL.

Next year when it is closer we will.

Mmm, I don't know, see on the NS we just allow everyone to join and have a qualifying stage, before the Cup proper.

This is pretty much the same thing, we have qualifying stages except we are placed in regions and not randomly in groups, though FIFA could do that I suppose we should just go in groups and the top 2 or 3 qualify for the world cup proper. Or even smaller groups to make it to 32.

[Taeshan]

They should just do it like on NS, straight out rankings. It would be better overall as it would really get rid of the stupid regions. Straightly based on rankings instead of were you are, and BTW we should just make a World Cup Discussion thread for RL.

Next year when it is closer we will.

Mmm, I don't know, see on the NS we just allow everyone to join and have a qualifying stage, before the Cup proper.

This is pretty much the same thing, we have qualifying stages except we are placed in regions and not randomly in groups, though FIFA could do that I suppose we should just go in groups and the top 2 or 3 qualify for the world cup proper. Or even smaller groups to make it to 32.

It would be awesome to do that. Like Spain versus Fiji in a qual. US versus Eng;land(although doubtfull), Brazil Italy. Possibilities are endless.

[Kalysk]

Cracked.com just ripped the Conspiracy nuts a new ass hole. If someone here didn't read that Cracked link, you need to. It pretty much discredits the whole conspiracy with only one thing.

[Phenia]

But the wild conspiracy theory with little evidence backing it up is that 19 arab terrorists armed with boxcutters outwitted and outsmarted the most costly and efficient military and security on the planet and managed to hit the Pentagon with a plane well after we knew we were under attack.

This is the argument based on the idea that terrorists are stupid and that it is impossible to 'outwit and outsmart' the US military. Both patently absurd assumptions. It doesn't matter how costly the military is, that does not make it impervious to attack.

And "efficient?" Really? You think the US military is efficient? On what possible basis do you conclude that?

None of the debunkers have ever addressed the diagonally-cut iron beams and the molten metal.

There was no molten metal. That is an assumption pulled out of the ass of conspiracy theorists.

even the Popular Mechanics article states quite clearly that the temperatures in the Towers never reached the level of melting metal.

Indeed.

I know you probaby sleep better at night thinking that the enemy is a bunch of robe-wearing camel jockeys, but my friend, the people who really rule the world are few and hidden. Research the Bilderberg group and get back to me.

Apparently it is YOU who feels better thinking that the enemy is "a bunch of robe-wearing camel jockeys." YOUR bigotry and YOUR bias is showing when you beat that tired old drum. People like you also think Vietnam couldn't have achieved military victories on account of them being "a bunch of slant eyed commies" or whatever similar bigoted assumptions your kind blurts out as excuse for your pet conspiracy theories.

[Cosmopoles]

In the days leading up to 9-11, the explosive sniffing dogs were pulled from the Towers. Here's an exerpt from Newsday

Are you really suggesting that someone wired two busy office buildings for a controlled demolition over the course of a weekend without anyone noticing?

None of the debunkers have ever addressed the diagonally-cut iron beams and the molten metal. even the Popular Mechanics article states quite clearly that the temperatures in the Towers never reached the level of melting metal.

If you were capable of reading a full paragraph without finding one line that appears to back your claims before jizzing in your pants, you might have noticed that the Popular Mechanics article states that steel loses half its strength at 1100 degrees F and 90% of its strength at 1800 degreees F, temperatures that are likely in a building fire. No one is suggesting that the steel melted so stop acting like that is the 'official story'.

[Blouman Empire]

It would be awesome to do that. Like Spain versus Fiji in a qual. US versus Eng;land(although doubtfull), Brazil Italy. Possibilities are endless.

Yes, that would be something to see.

Estonia and Brazil played a friendly recently and Brazil only won 1-0.

Imagine if in the qualifying stage Brazil had lost and never made it into the Cup?

US vs England, nice match up England would win of course but maybe only just.

[Kalysk]

The Bilderberg group? Really? REALLY? That sorry shit of a conspiracy theory is just as bad as the Free Masons or the Reptoids or whatever the Hell they're called.

[Fighter4u]

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In the days leading up to 9-11, the explosive sniffing dogs were pulled from the Towers. Here's an exerpt from Newsday

Heightened Security Alert Had Just Been Lifted
By Curtis L. Taylor and Sean Gardiner
STAFF WRITERS

September 12, 2001

The World Trade Center was destroyed just days after a heightened security alert was lifted at the landmark 110-story towers, security personnel said yesterday.

Daria Coard, 37, a guard at Tower One, said the security detail had been working 12-hour shifts for the past two weeks because of numerous phone threats. But on Thursday, bomb-sniffing dogs were abruptly removed.

Yeah, security was returned to normal levels after the security alert was lifted. Whatever threat they thought was coming was gone. Besides the bomb sniffing dogs couldn't do anything against 747s crashing into the towers. Unless you think after the dogs were pulled people sneaked in and rigs the towers with bombs which is stupid as such operations would take months. And the dogs which you talk about would have found them. Read the cracked article posted here earlier.

Whatever went on that day, and the events that led up to it, one thing is certain. It's way bigger than anything they'll ever let us know. But the wild conspiracy theory with little evidence backing it up is that 19 arab terrorists armed with boxcutters outwitted and outsmarted the most costly and efficient military and security on the planet and managed to hit the Pentagon with a plane well after we knew we were under attack.

Wow, a bunch of people armed with knives were able to take control of a airplane and crash it into building means that the government let it happen? Just like the WTC 1993 bombings or the attacks on the American Warship Cole or the Oklahoma City bombing were approved by the U.S government. I mean it not like their human and mistakes happen. They have to guard a homeland against every threat possible. Even ones that they never thought about in their wildest dreams, (like crashing fully loaded 747s into the World Trade Towers) and it one take one attacks out of all that are attempted for it to work.

None of the debunkers have ever addressed the diagonally-cut iron beams and the molten metal. even the Popular Mechanics article states quite clearly that the temperatures in the Towers never reached the level of melting metal.

I know you probaby sleep better at night thinking that the enemy is a bunch of robe-wearing camel jockeys, but my friend, the people who really rule the world are few and hidden. Research the Bilderberg group and get back to me.

People like you are quite simple really. You need to believe that their a threat out their that only you can see. That while everybody else is a mindless sheep. You can see through it all. The crack article explains it far better then I ever can.

t's not a belief in corrupt leaders. Hell, we all believe in corrupt leaders. It's a belief in a corrupt everybody. It's driving around in a world where every single person you see out of your windshield is utterly bloodthirsty and amoral, all except for you and a few, brave friends. What could make you feel more important than that?

You can see the attraction right away. Most people, to feel special, have to actually do something special. But why not do what these guys do, and just make the rest of the world out to be wretched? Hell, once we've painted everyone else as mindless or murderous, all we have to do to feel superior to them is roll out of bed.

Remember what I said earlier about Dylan Avery and how it was probably just a desire for fame that drove him to do all this? Look at the parallel here. At the heart of all this is that basic human need to feel special somehow, twisted in the most warped and corrosive way imaginable.

In conclusion, the 9/11 Conspiracy Guys aren't evil and they aren't liars. They're merely filling a basic human need, using their imaginations and paranoia to elevate themselves to a level the real world will never elevate them to. Also, they're retarded.

The Verdict:

Liars? Retarded? They're probably both right. Just as the crooked televangelist steals from old widows who themselves have an honest faith in God, Dylan Avery and the Loose Change guys have made a nice name for themselves (and a nice profit) from a large group of true believers who have always lived at the fringes of society. These are the type who think the moon landing was a hoax, that Area 51 houses alien spacecraft.

And then you have the rank and file, the kids who watched the video and just plain didn't know any better because they didn't follow it up with any reading. They're not reading this, for instance.

No, they saw Loose Change and went charging into their favorite forum or chat room, screaming, "WATCH THIS BITCHWHORES LOOSE CHANGE IS GONNA CHANGE YOUR WORLD." By the time people started posting info that debunked it, it was kind of hard for them to back down without looking like an asshole. So, they stand by it.

So even if you strapped them down and forced them to read this, they'd just pick out one detail that they thought would give them reason to discredit the whole thing and dismiss it from their minds.

Seriously guys. Read the article.
http://www.cracked.com/article_15740_was-911-inside-job.html

[Gun Manufacturers]

The only temperatures found that were hot enough to melt steel were found in the base of the building where the core columns were cut, diagonally, like they do in controlled demolitions.

Seeing as WTC tenants would have had to move around stuff like this for months (as that's how long it takes to set up a controlled demolition):

, and seeing as nobody else heard about it, I seriously doubt the WTC collapse was a controlled demolition.

http://www.howstuffworks.com/building-implosion.htm

In the days leading up to 9-11, the explosive sniffing dogs were pulled from the Towers. Here's an exerpt from Newsday

Heightened Security Alert Had Just Been Lifted
By Curtis L. Taylor and Sean Gardiner
STAFF WRITERS

September 12, 2001

The World Trade Center was destroyed just days after a heightened security alert was lifted at the landmark 110-story towers, security personnel said yesterday.

Daria Coard, 37, a guard at Tower One, said the security detail had been working 12-hour shifts for the past two weeks because of numerous phone threats. But on Thursday, bomb-sniffing dogs were abruptly removed.

...

Marvin P. Bush, the president’s younger brother, was a principal in a company called Securacom that provided security for the World Trade Center, United Airlines, and Dulles International Airport. The company was backed by KuwAm, a Kuwaiti-American investment firm on whose board Marvin Burns also served. [Utne]

The company lists as government clients "the U.S. Army, U.S. Navy, U.S Air force, and the Department of Justice," in projects that "often require state-of-the-art security solutions for classified or high-risk government sites."


Whatever went on that day, and the events that led up to it, one thing is certain. It's way bigger than anything they'll ever let us know. But the wild conspiracy theory with little evidence backing it up is that 19 arab terrorists armed with boxcutters outwitted and outsmarted the most costly and efficient military and security on the planet and managed to hit the Pentagon with a plane well after we knew we were under attack.

None of the debunkers have ever addressed the diagonally-cut iron beams and the molten metal. even the Popular Mechanics article states quite clearly that the temperatures in the Towers never reached the level of melting metal.


I know you probaby sleep better at night thinking that the enemy is a bunch of robe-wearing camel jockeys, but my friend, the people who really rule the world are few and hidden. Research the Bilderberg group and get back to me.

It takes several weeks, if not months, to properly set up a controlled demolition. If bomb sniffing dogs were there up to a few days before 9/11, they would have detected the explosives beforehand.