9/11 a inside job? Seriously?

[North Suran]

There are more, but you see what I mean, I hope? Are ... are those black helicopters landing in the street outside your abode?

ROSEBUD!

*Gets black-bagged*

[Mad hatters in jeans]

*shuffles feet*
I hopes no one else get's black bagged. it's not very nice.

[Farnhamia]

*shuffles feet*
I hopes no one else get's black bagged. it's not very nice.

Some people do seem to enjoy it, at least, that's what the guys down at the ... ahem ... leather goods shop downtown tell me. That time I went in to ask directions, of course.

[Mad hatters in jeans]

*shuffles feet*
I hopes no one else get's black bagged. it's not very nice.

Some people do seem to enjoy it, at least, that's what the guys down at the ... ahem ... leather goods shop downtown tell me. That time I went in to ask directions, of course.

you have a cobblers down where you live? that's so cool.

[Farnhamia]

*shuffles feet*
I hopes no one else get's black bagged. it's not very nice.

Some people do seem to enjoy it, at least, that's what the guys down at the ... ahem ... leather goods shop downtown tell me. That time I went in to ask directions, of course.

you have a cobblers down where you live? that's so cool.

Used to, but they rennovated the old building he was in and he packed it in. That was too bad, because I got some nice work done on some shoes and at not bad prices, either. Hard to find a decent cobbler these days.

[Wilgrove]

I wonder if people who believed that the Moon landings were faked, and that 9/11 was an inside job has ever consider how large such an operation would have to be. They should also take in account how many people would have to be kept quiet for something like this to be pulled off.

Now think back to Bill Clinton getting a blowjob. Honestly, if our government can't hide up the fact that our President gotten a hummer, why the Hell would we expect them to be expert in covering up large scale operations?

Not to mention that alot of people drink in bars, you'd think at least a few of them would get drunk and spill the beans.

[Mad hatters in jeans]

I wonder if people who believed that the Moon landings were faked, and that 9/11 was an inside job has ever consider how large such an operation would have to be. They should also take in account how many people would have to be kept quiet for something like this to be pulled off.

Now think back to Bill Clinton getting a blowjob. Honestly, if our government can't hide up the fact that our President gotten a hummer, why the Hell would we expect them to be expert in covering up large scale operations?

Not to mention that alot of people drink in bars, you'd think at least a few of them would get drunk and spill the beans.

you can buy baked beans as a drink?
ewww no wonder you're so pissed off. poor guy.

[Cameroi]

i thought we were talking about aliende shooting himself in the back with an m-16.

oh sorry, wrong 9-11.

just because the buildings were actually knocked down by the aircraft fuel exploding in them, which i believe they were, doesn't mean the events weren't planed and directed by certain interests, economically fanatical interests of an extreme sort, well entrenched in the u.s. government, which i also see no reason whatsoever disbelieve or even doubt for a moment.

it's not as if they haven't unambiguously, in the public face, demonstrated a ruthlessness and lack of conscience, entirely consistent with, and capable of, such an act.

(and no, i do not believe the moon landings were faked)

leave us not forget, it was donald rumsfield, under ronald raygun, who created the tallibon (providing its origeonal funding under some sort of agricultural trade agreement), and by doing so, indirectly, (indirectly as far as we know) al-cia-da. (as a means of opposing the russian, at that time u.s.s.r., incursion into afghanistan).

[Farnhamia]

i thought we were talking about aliende shooting himself in the back with an m-16.

oh sorry, wrong 9-11.

just because the buildings were actually knocked down by the aircraft fuel exploding in them, which i believe they were, doesn't mean the events weren't planed and directed by certain interests, economically fanatical interests of an extreme sort, well entrenched in the u.s. government, which i also see no reason whatsoever disbelieve or even doubt for a moment.

it's not as if they haven't unambiguously, in the public face, demonstrated a ruthlessness and lack of conscience, entirely consistent with, and capable of, such an act.

But again, Cameroi, how could they organize a conspiracy that large and keep it a secret forever? That is what they've done, because no one credible has come forward and said this is true.

So, you know the drill ... source?

[King Zhaoxiang of Qin]

i thought we were talking about aliende shooting himself in the back with an m-16.

oh sorry, wrong 9-11.

just because the buildings were actually knocked down by the aircraft fuel exploding in them, which i believe they were, doesn't mean the events weren't planed and directed by certain interests, economically fanatical interests of an extreme sort, well entrenched in the u.s. government, which i also see no reason whatsoever disbelieve or even doubt for a moment.

it's not as if they haven't unambiguously, in the public face, demonstrated a ruthlessness and lack of conscience, entirely consistent with, and capable of, such an act.

(and no, i do not believe the moon landings were faked)

They WERE "planed" and directed by certain interests.

Al-Qaida.

And even then it wasn't so much in their interests, if you take a look back at history. The American invasion of Iraq turned out to be a bigger boost for Islamic Jihad than 9/11 ever was. 9/11 had a devastating effect on bin Laden.

I highly recommend Peter Bergen's book "The Osama bin Laden I Know"

You can get it pretty much everywhere. It's by a journalist who met the man, and spoke with about 50 of his relatives and acquaintances AFTER 9/11. You know that just prior to 9/11 bin Laden told his wives that they could leave if they wanted to because after 9/11 things would get very difficult?

Whereas there is absolutely NO evidence...at all...of government action in terms of 9/11. In fact, if I recall correctly, Bill Clinton was given heat for not taking enough action, and in response to that Bill Clinton blamed George W. Bush for inaction.

The problem on the government side in 9/11 was overwhelmingly inaction. Not action.

Oh, no, I get it. The inaction is EVIDENCE of the CONSPIRACY!!!!!!

Yeah, I don't think so. Please come again.

[Saint Clair Island]

You live in Colorado? Oh man! Tell me everything you know about the night of July 27, 1983. Assuming you were awake, of course. I'm developing a theory....

I didn't live here then. The Yankees beat the texas Rangers 4-3 but that was in the afternoon, not at night.

Ah, that's a pity. It's funny how few people I've found who were awake to see anything that night -- and, if they were, can remember anything about it.

I smell a government conspiracy. Just as I suspected...

[Farnhamia]

i thought we were talking about aliende shooting himself in the back with an m-16.

oh sorry, wrong 9-11.

just because the buildings were actually knocked down by the aircraft fuel exploding in them, which i believe they were, doesn't mean the events weren't planed and directed by certain interests, economically fanatical interests of an extreme sort, well entrenched in the u.s. government, which i also see no reason whatsoever disbelieve or even doubt for a moment.

it's not as if they haven't unambiguously, in the public face, demonstrated a ruthlessness and lack of conscience, entirely consistent with, and capable of, such an act.

(and no, i do not believe the moon landings were faked)

They WERE "planed" and directed by certain interests.

Al-Qaida.

And even then it wasn't so much in their interests, if you take a look back at history. The American invasion of Iraq turned out to be a bigger boost for Islamic Jihad than 9/11 ever was. 9/11 had a devastating effect on bin Laden.

I highly recommend Peter Bergen's book "The Osama bin Laden I Know"

You can get it pretty much everywhere. It's by a journalist who met the man, and spoke with about 50 of his relatives and acquaintances AFTER 9/11. You know that just prior to 9/11 bin Laden told his wives that they could leave if they wanted to because after 9/11 things would get very difficult?

Whereas there is absolutely NO evidence...at all...of government action in terms of 9/11. In fact, if I recall correctly, Bill Clinton was given heat for not taking enough action, and in response to that Bill Clinton blamed George W. Bush for inaction.

The problem on the government side in 9/11 was overwhelmingly inaction. Not action.

Oh, no, I get it. The inaction is EVIDENCE of the CONSPIRACY!!!!!!

Yeah, I don't think so. Please come again.

Pardon, O Son of Heaven, but the maunderings of these misguided peasants should not be allowed to disturb your celestial composure. Surely they are but as the wind, which rustles the leaves and then passes away.

[Cameroi]

But again, Cameroi, how could they organize a conspiracy that large and keep it a secret forever? That is what they've done, because no one credible has come forward and said this is true.

So, you know the drill ... source?

somewhat wrong on both counts, although dollars to doughnuts, many gitmo and other 'black site' detainees, are there precisely to keep such evidence from becoming general public knowledge.

nor is a "consipiracy THAT large" required. this IS what intelligence agencies are good at and intended for. few or no civilians would have had to have been directly involved. a few highly placed cia sleepers in the fbi, suffice to keep a lid on until the deed had been done. and national secrets to keep it hushed since.

geting guys permits to learn how to fly big airplaines isn't something on the scale faking a moon landing with the whole world looking over the sholder of huston control would have takin. there's really no basis for comparison.

as for source, the rumsfield tallibon deal is a matter of public record.

the rest of it, there really doesn't have to have been a large enough number of personal involved to prevent continuing to keep it under wraps.

sources do exist and i must admit to being terrible at keeping track,
or even making note of them, but i have seen/heard them given.

the problem with sources is that, so to speak, this is still a live one, meaning anyone attempting to come forward with them does so at risk of their lives, and against the pretense of "national security".

[King Zhaoxiang of Qin]

But again, Cameroi, how could they organize a conspiracy that large and keep it a secret forever? That is what they've done, because no one credible has come forward and said this is true.

So, you know the drill ... source?

somewhat wrong on both counts, although dollars to doughnuts, many gitmo and other 'black site' detainees, are there precisely to keep such evidence from becoming general public knowledge.

nor is a "consipiracy THAT large" required. this IS what intelligence agencies are good at and intended for. few or no civilians would have had to have been directly involved. a few highly placed cia sleepers in the fbi, suffice to keep a lid on until the deed had been done. and national secrets to keep it hushed since.

geting guys permits to learn how to fly big airplaines isn't something on the scale faking a moon landing with the whole world looking over the sholder of huston control would have takin. there's really no basis for comparison.

as for source, the rumsfield tallibon deal is a matter of public record.

the rest of it, there really doesn't have to have been a large enough number of personal involved to prevent continuing to keep it under wraps.

Uh-huh.

It's Taliban, first of all. And second, I don't know who Rumsfield is.

You mean Donald Rumsfeld? Former Secretary of Defense?

This Donald Rumsfeld?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13798276/

And these Donald Rumsfelds?

http://www.amarillo.com/stories/110501/usn_hurtas.shtml

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-497592.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/11/world/asia/11rumsfeld.html

Yeah, looks like he's really operating in the interests of the Taliban.

Oh, no. It was a DOUBLE CROSS!!!!!!

I can make up stuff that's a lot more interesting than the stuff you're making up. Why couldn't it have been extraterrestrials that caused 9/11 with their psychic rays of control?

[Farnhamia]

But again, Cameroi, how could they organize a conspiracy that large and keep it a secret forever? That is what they've done, because no one credible has come forward and said this is true.

So, you know the drill ... source?

somewhat wrong on both counts, although dollars to doughnuts, many gitmo and other 'black site' detainees, are there precisely to keep such evidence from becoming general public knowledge.

nor is a "consipiracy THAT large" required. this IS what intelligence agencies are good at and intended for. few or no civilians would have had to have been directly involved. a few highly placed cia sleepers in the fbi, suffice to keep a lid on until the deed had been done. and national secrets to keep it hushed since.

geting guys permits to learn how to fly big airplaines isn't something on the scale faking a moon landing with the whole world looking over the sholder of huston control would have takin. there's really no basis for comparison.

as for source, the rumsfield tallibon deal is a matter of public record.

the rest of it, there really doesn't have to have been a large enough number of personal involved to prevent continuing to keep it under wraps.

sources do exist and i must admit to being terrible at keeping track,
or even making note of them, but i have seen/heard them given.

the problem with sources is that, so to speak, this is still a live one, meaning anyone attempting to come forward with them does so at risk of their lives, and against the pretense of "national security".

Somewhat speculative on all accounts. Seriously, all you have is a bunch of "could be" and coincidence. Given the time and interest, I think I could construct a similar set of links between Josef Stalin and Mother Teresa.

[Taeshan]

Yet another conspiract theory. Its fun to think about, but most likely not really what happened. Although...

[Meridistan]

The above picture shows one of the core columns of the World Trade Center. It was cut deliberately with thermite, as in a controlled demolition. Molten metal was found at the base of the WTC buildings and aluminum oxide was detected around the buildings. This is a byproduct of thermite. Both buildings were designed to withstand the impact of several planes. Once you weigh the evidence, there is no doubt that more went on than was put in the report. And why would the government not include these findings in their report? Because they have an agenda. The 9/11 incident was an excuse to go to war, one of the most profitable things that can occur for a nation. United States defense contractors reaped massive profits after 9/11 as did the Carlyle group.




Never forget World Tade Center 7. This building was never hit by an aircraft.

I believe someone posted this link earlier, but I'll just highlight what is relevant. (http://www.popularmechanics.com/technol ... tml?page=4)

Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F, not hot enough to melt steel (2750°F). However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength — and that required exposure to much less heat. "I have never seen melted steel in a building fire," says retired New York deputy fire chief Vincent Dunn, author of The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety. "But I've seen a lot of twisted, warped, bent and sagging steel. What happens is that the steel tries to expand at both ends, but when it can no longer expand, it sags and the surrounding concrete cracks."

"Steel loses about 50 percent of its strength at 1100°F," notes senior engineer Farid Alfawak-hiri of the American Institute of Steel Construction. "And at 1800° it is probably at less than 10 percent." NIST also believes that a great deal of the spray-on fireproofing insulation was likely knocked off the steel beams that were in the path of the crashing jets, leaving the metal more vulnerable to the heat.

But jet fuel wasn't the only thing burning, notes Forman Williams, a professor of engineering at the University of California, San Diego, and one of seven structural engineers and fire experts that PM consulted. He says that while the jet fuel was the catalyst for the WTC fires, the resulting inferno was intensified by the combustible material inside the buildings, including rugs, curtains, furniture and paper. NIST reports that pockets of fire hit 1832°F.

"The jet fuel was the ignition source," Williams tells PM. "It burned for maybe 10 minutes, and [the towers] were still standing in 10 minutes. It was the rest of the stuff burning afterward that was responsible for the heat transfer that eventually brought them down."

Furthermore, to suggest that the government initiated a successful deception of the entire US population. Just think about the sheer number of people who would have to be paid off to keep this quiet. I'd do a detailed rundown, but I believe this article does it far better than I ever would. http://www.cracked.com/article_15740_p2.html

Really, it's true that the government is certainly an extremely shady organization. However, so far I have found no indication other than coincidence that there was a deliberate action on the government's part to initiate the 9/11 attacks. It's certainly possible, but until someone provides evidence besides misinterpretation, lies, or interesting coincidences, I have no reason to have any faith in the existence of a conspiracy.

Oh, and . . . first post. Hello world.

[Saint Clair Island]

Oh, and . . . first post. Hello world.

Hello, Meridistan. Please sign up in the NS General Processing Office for your yellow n00b tag; it'll be attached to your name until you have at least 200 posts and one month of forum activity.

[Blouman Empire]

I wonder if people who believed that the Moon landings were faked, and that 9/11 was an inside job has ever consider how large such an operation would have to be. They should also take in account how many people would have to be kept quiet for something like this to be pulled off.

Now think back to Bill Clinton getting a blowjob. Honestly, if our government can't hide up the fact that our President gotten a hummer, why the Hell would we expect them to be expert in covering up large scale operations?

Not to mention that alot of people drink in bars, you'd think at least a few of them would get drunk and spill the beans.

You are forgetting that everyone involved in these operations had this used on them and thus believe what they were told to believe.

[Taeshan]

right Blouman. Thats exactly what heppend. (on another note are you planning on entereing the Olympics this year?)

[Blouman Empire]

right Blouman. Thats exactly what heppend. (on another note are you planning on entereing the Olympics this year?)

Olympics aren't on this year.

[King Zhaoxiang of Qin]

Days...months...years.

Always aim it forward.

[Gun Manufacturers]

When you buy into a conspiracy theory, you're supporting terrorism.

I see what you did there.


9/11 was an inside job all right -- they flew the planes into the towers from inside the aircraft, they weren't remote-controlled or anything.

I think the- em, the 7 WTC collapsed due to explosives though.

I think the tenants of 7 WTC would have noticed all the demolitions equipment spread around the building, before 9/11.

[King Zhaoxiang of Qin]

right Blouman. Thats exactly what heppend. (on another note are you planning on entereing the Olympics this year?)

Olympics aren't on this year.

You just THINK they aren't!

It's another conspiracy!

Made by...I dunno. Whatever random crap you want, actually. lol. I'm an open-source conspiracy theorist.

[Discount Liquor World]

None of the conspiracy theories about 9-11 stand up to peer review or even common sense.

The facts of the day and everything about it has been explained in vast scientific detail over and over again.

There is not any real evidence for anything besides what is already common knowlege. Anybody who thinks so is just an idoit with an agenda. I'm as cynical and paranoid as anybody, but the government's explaination makes A WHOLE LOT MORE SENSE then anything a conspiricy "buff" has thought up.

Just look at the goddamn facts. Thats all I have to say.