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In today's society, is it, morally speaking, still worse for a male to hit a female?

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Postby Vetok » Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:42 am

Rambhutan wrote:
Vetok wrote:It doesn't matter. Even if a frigging midget walked up and tried to 'swing' at me, (this is a colloquialism that you foreigners undoubtedly don't know) I'd still punch them. It's a matter of self defence. You can't just give someone a bloody nose if they're intent on smacking you one, you put them down and don't give them a chance to get up and try again.

And to prevent someone like you misrepresenting this as an example 'violent behaviour', this is realistic and in line with the expectation of self-defence in the UK, and undoubtedly elsewhere.


I really don't think any UK jury would decide you used reasonable force punching a midget to the ground.


If they attack me? If they didn't, it'd be a case of "Hey, the victim's the one at fault. They were asking for it!" Tell me, what are your thoughts on who the guilty party is in cases of female-victim rape? I bet you wouldn't be singing the same song.

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Postby Rhodmhire » Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:43 am

Hakkalakkazakka wrote:Even in self defence I wouldn't hit a girl, a male is another story, I'll just hold her tight and hug her.


Yeah, that'll work. I remember the last time I hugged a girl who was trying to hurt me.

Oh, wait, that's how I nearly got my left shoulder dislocated.
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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:43 am

Siylva wrote:
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What a stupid remark to make. Seriously, that's not even worth an answer.


You were the one who said he'd hit anyone if they "swung" on you. I find that to be a far dumber statement.

Honestly, I used the child as an extreme, but consider that instead of a child, the person who swung on you was, oh, half your size? That he posed no threat to you at all? You would still swing on him?

Fuck yeah, don't under estimate someone just because they're smaller than you. Should I simply continue to allow them to molest me? Fuck no.

I might hit 'em not as hard in the hopes of discouraging them before I have to do them any real harm, but thats it. I've seen a woman (since its apropos of the thread) half my size give a guy a black eye.
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:44 am

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Well you can't actually rape her if she's your girlfriend after all

Damn you.


But if not, you will go to jail. And if it's any consolation, I'd gladly call the police. :)

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Postby Astrolinium » Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:45 am

Fionnuala_Saoirse wrote:
-St George wrote:Fantasies? :eyebrow:


Well you can't actually rape her if she's your girlfriend after all


It's not rape if she likes it it's sexy you shout "Surprise!"
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From the source you yourself quoted: "of, pertaining to, or concerned with the principles or rules of right conduct or the distinction between right and wrong; ethical: moral attitudes"- dictonary.com

You are arguing that something explicitly defined as being the distinction between right and wrong is not the distinction between right and wrong.
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Postby Sarzonia » Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:45 am

If a woman does something* to provoke a man in the extreme, she should have no right to bitch if the man hits her as a result.

*I don't mean any run of the mill "provocation", I mean something along the lines of physical, verbal, mental, emotional abuse. In other words, if a woman hits me, she has no right to cry foul if I hit her back.

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Postby New Lusitaniagrad » Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:45 am

Only in self defense. And I don't mean that she slapped you a bit, I mean that if she's coming at you with a knife, then it's ok to clock her.
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Postby Katganistan » Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:45 am

Iterium wrote:
Katganistan wrote:
Then what do you need her for? Dump her abusive ass for someone who treats you with respect.

You've obviously never ticked your girlfriend off bad enough that she wants to hurt you, gotta respect ya for that.

I AM a woman, and I would NEVER consider belting a man unless I was defending myself from violence that he started.
And I would NEVER tolerate staying with someone who hit me. I've seen too many people who talk with their fists and cry and say they are sorry, then go back and smack their mate the second they get annoyed again.

Again, it's your affair if you want to put up with that, but I never would. If the most important person in your life hurts you, what's the point?

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Postby Saint Abbra » Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:45 am

In general opinion, it still seems like hitting a girl is worse than hitting a boy (Or woman/man). If you ask me, then the difference (Moral implications) is null. If you hit someone, their or your sex shouldn't be a part of the account. Just like your race or upbringing.

To me, you can be judged on the choices you make/doesn't make, but not things you are born with.

Also, the thing about hitting kids: It *really* depends on how you do it. I don't think physical violence is all that worse than psychological, and having been brought up by parents who practise psychological warfare against their kids I don't think I am better off than had they used physical violence. Some children learn fast one way or the other way, as with every human being they react different to the same situations. I don't think using moderate violence against children is apprehensible in every case. You can overdo it, yeah, but so can you with other punishments (Or rewards).
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Postby -St George » Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:46 am

Mike the Progressive wrote:
-St George wrote:Damn you.


But if not, you will go to jail. And if it's any consolation, I'd gladly call the police. :)

Jail doesn't sound much different to Boarding School. Getting called a 'fucking faggot' by guys who want you to bend over for them loses it's effect after a while.
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Postby New East Ireland » Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:46 am

Fionnuala_Saoirse wrote:
-St George wrote:Fantasies? :eyebrow:


Well you can't actually rape her if she's your girlfriend after all

Where does it say that?
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Postby Katganistan » Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:47 am

Fionnuala_Saoirse wrote:
-St George wrote:Fantasies? :eyebrow:


Well you can't actually rape her if she's your girlfriend after all


Fionnuala, NOW look what you did!
:( My sarcasm detector just melted.

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Postby Fionnuala_Saoirse » Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:48 am

New East Ireland wrote:
Fionnuala_Saoirse wrote:
Well you can't actually rape her if she's your girlfriend after all

Where does it say that?


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Postby Katganistan » Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:49 am

Astrolinium wrote:From the source you yourself quoted: "of, pertaining to, or concerned with the principles or rules of right conduct or the distinction between right and wrong; ethical: moral attitudes"- dictonary.com

You are arguing that something explicitly defined as being the distinction between right and wrong is not the distinction between right and wrong.
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Thank you for putting it so succinctly.

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Postby Mike the Progressive » Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:49 am

-St George wrote:
Mike the Progressive wrote:
But if not, you will go to jail. And if it's any consolation, I'd gladly call the police. :)

Jail doesn't sound much different to Boarding School. Getting called a 'fucking faggot' by guys who want you to bend over for them loses it's effect after a while.


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Postby Imsogone » Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:49 am

Did she hit you first? Was it hard? Is she hitting you in the expectation that you will just take it? Was it playful or aggressive? Is she tough enough to take care of herself? A lot of questions here. Generally speaking I don't condone hitting anyone. But, being female, if a man hits me in a way that indicates aggression, I will defend myself. I would expect that if a woman hits a man in a way that indicates aggression, the man would defend himself. But I would also expect that the defense would not become aggression. This is my take on the code of Bushido - do only what it takes to stop the aggressive behavior and no more.
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Postby The IOAS » Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:49 am

Unless the woman is making a concious effort to physically harm you and that's your most sensible option to the exclusion of fleeing, no.

On a side note, anyone else notice the increase in young girls getting into fist fights on school campuses? I'm not sure what exactly they're trying to prove. Sure, the guys will think they're "bad ass chicks" for a few moments, but when it's all said and done and they have two black eyes and no front teeth, they just look dumb.
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Postby Dyakovo » Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:50 am

Astrolinium wrote:Is it OK to hit a girl?

If she hits you first, yes.
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Postby Siylva » Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:50 am

Lackadaisical2 wrote:
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You were the one who said he'd hit anyone if they "swung" on you. I find that to be a far dumber statement.

Honestly, I used the child as an extreme, but consider that instead of a child, the person who swung on you was, oh, half your size? That he posed no threat to you at all? You would still swing on him?

Fuck yeah, don't under estimate someone just because they're smaller than you. Should I simply continue to allow them to molest me? Fuck no.

I might hit 'em not as hard in the hopes of discouraging them before I have to do them any real harm, but thats it. I've seen a woman (since its apropos of the thread) half my size give a guy a black eye.


If they option to run away presented itself? Would you take it, even if it meant you might take a few blows in the process?

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Postby Iterium » Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:50 am

Katganistan wrote:
Iterium wrote:You've obviously never ticked your girlfriend off bad enough that she wants to hurt you, gotta respect ya for that.

I AM a woman, and I would NEVER consider belting a man unless I was defending myself from violence that he started.
And I would NEVER tolerate staying with someone who hit me. I've seen too many people who talk with their fists and cry and say they are sorry, then go back and smack their mate the second they get annoyed again.

Again, it's your affair if you want to put up with that, but I never would. If the most important person in your life hurts you, what's the point?

Eh, if it gets to the point where i get more then a light bruise, then id worry about it (except nut shots, those hurt like hell). Besides, its not entirely unfounded why they sometimes do that to me though ive never touched them (in a bad way).
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Postby New East Ireland » Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:51 am

Fionnuala_Saoirse wrote:
New East Ireland wrote:Where does it say that?


The big book of rules

Fuck the rules. If I want to RP a rape with my girlfriend, I'm RPing a rape with my girlfriend! :p
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Postby All Awesome People » Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:51 am

I think we should just make sure girls are aloud by society to defend themselves and get their hands and mouths dirty. In fact, it should be COOL!

But seriously, look what girly girls have done to the name of good women.
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Postby Bobs Taco Shack » Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:51 am

Depends. Did she deserve it? Can you take the retaliatory strike back? Do you feel its necessary to resort to a physical reaction to what ever stimulus? For me, it's not OK to hit a girl for the same reason it's not OK to hit a guy. If one is a large, strong person, striking another can have serious consequences. If one is a weaksauce little boy, then swing away. She will probably kick your butt anyway.
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Postby Fionnuala_Saoirse » Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:51 am

Katganistan wrote:
Fionnuala_Saoirse wrote:
Well you can't actually rape her if she's your girlfriend after all


Fionnuala, NOW look what you did!
:( My sarcasm detector just melted.


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Postby Ifreann » Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:52 am

Fionnuala_Saoirse wrote:
New East Ireland wrote:Where does it say that?


The big book of rules

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