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Postby Icketopia » Fri Jul 15, 2011 4:02 pm

http://www.hiddenfromhistory.org/
I just finished watching this documentary and was left stunned when I found out about the pure cruelty of these boarding schools and the treatment that was inflicted on Native peoples in Canada. If you want, feel free to watch it and check out the site, and comment on your opinions. I apologize if this has already been discussed

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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Fri Jul 15, 2011 4:02 pm

Icketopia wrote:I apologize if this has already been discussed

Don't worry, everything has already been discussed. :P
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Postby Icketopia » Fri Jul 15, 2011 5:51 pm

Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Icketopia wrote:I apologize if this has already been discussed

Don't worry, everything has already been discussed. :P

That's a relief :lol:

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Postby New Manvir » Fri Jul 15, 2011 5:58 pm

I can't really take them seriously if they're using terms like "genocide" and "holocaust", but yeah, Canada did (and in some ways still does) some pretty terrible stuff to Native people.
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Postby Icketopia » Fri Jul 15, 2011 6:02 pm

New Manvir wrote:I can't really take them seriously if they're using terms like "genocide" and "holocaust", but yeah, Canada did (and in some ways still does) some pretty terrible stuff to Native people.

The term holocaust refers to any mass destruction, and is not exclusive to any one group, if that is what you're implying

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Postby Meowfoundland » Fri Jul 15, 2011 6:06 pm

This is just horrific. Reminds me of how the Aborigines were treated all the way up to the 1970s here in Australia.
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Postby Icketopia » Fri Jul 15, 2011 6:06 pm

Meowfoundland wrote:This is just horrific. Reminds me of how the Aborigines were treated all the way up to the 1970s here in Australia.

I understand :(

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Also sounds like this story i have read before.

Postby Sovereign Tribes » Fri Jul 15, 2011 6:13 pm

It takes place in America at first the state of Utah, a short young adult novel named "When the Legends Die."

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Postby Pinewald » Fri Jul 15, 2011 6:15 pm

No, I didn't see the link, I don't actually need to in order to make this point-

Mannnny things happen in history, some of it important to know, some not / some details are interesting, some boring and typical.

Am I surprised about 'hidden history'? No. Does it make me callus? No, I just cannot spend every minute of my life examining history.

I didn't have anything to do with it, I wish whatever this is about didn't happen though.

Once again, I'll just use this angle, "gee how terrible, if I was there, I'd do my best to prevent it."

Consider this: if life was perfect, would people be just as motivated to be morally good if life was easier?

No, because life would be 'perfect', less motivation for people to work on themselves, to eliminate there own dysfunction.
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Postby Volnotova » Fri Jul 15, 2011 6:15 pm

Link is broken for me?
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Postby Icketopia » Fri Jul 15, 2011 6:20 pm

You could search "hidden from history" I suppose. It works for me.

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Postby The Ben Boys » Fri Jul 15, 2011 6:24 pm

Catholics... why is it they are always the ones who give Christianity a bad name?

EDIT:
And kill Muslims/Jews/Aboriginals?
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Postby Mature Related » Fri Jul 15, 2011 6:25 pm

If only it was hidden, it pops up in the news a couple times a year, it is really kind of annoying.

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Postby Meowfoundland » Fri Jul 15, 2011 6:26 pm

Mature Related wrote:If only it was hidden, it pops up in the news a couple times a year, it is really kind of annoying.


"I'm totally bored of this 'holocaust' thing, duuuuude. Why can't they just, like, forget about it?"
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Postby Icketopia » Fri Jul 15, 2011 6:27 pm

Mature Related wrote:If only it was hidden, it pops up in the news a couple times a year, it is really kind of annoying.

How so?

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Postby Mushet » Fri Jul 15, 2011 6:30 pm

I already knew about the horrors faced by indigenous people, Canada has a dark history behind that seemingly innocent maple leaf, and it probably has nukes under the icecaps
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Jul 15, 2011 6:31 pm

Mushet wrote:I already knew about the horrors faced by indigenous people, Canada has a dark history behind that seemingly innocent maple leaf, and it probably has nukes under the icecaps

Not for long. Those ice caps are melting.
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Postby Icketopia » Fri Jul 15, 2011 6:33 pm

Mushet wrote:I already knew about the horrors faced by indigenous people, Canada has a dark history behind that seemingly innocent maple leaf, and it probably has nukes under the icecaps

They're establishing overseas military bases now, apparently

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Postby Trixiestan » Fri Jul 15, 2011 6:34 pm

The Ben Boys wrote:Catholics... why is it they are always the ones who give Christianity a bad name?


They don't? The Westboro Baptist Church are, as their name suggests, Baptists. The Troubles in Ireland are considered to have started when Ulster Protestant Nationalists began killing people. The KKK were Protestants (which is why you see pictures of them burning crosses). Not trying to defend Catholicism or anything since Catholics have done an awful lot of bad stuff as well, but its pretty rich saying its just the Catholics who give Christianity a bad name.
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Postby New East Ireland » Fri Jul 15, 2011 6:35 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Mushet wrote:I already knew about the horrors faced by indigenous people, Canada has a dark history behind that seemingly innocent maple leaf, and it probably has nukes under the icecaps

Not for long. Those ice caps are melting.

And the leafblower of global warming is tearing that Maple Leaf apart.

Cue the music

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Postby The Ben Boys » Fri Jul 15, 2011 7:00 pm

Trixiestan wrote:
The Ben Boys wrote:Catholics... why is it they are always the ones who give Christianity a bad name?


They don't? The Westboro Baptist Church are, as their name suggests, Baptists. The Troubles in Ireland are considered to have started when Ulster Protestant Nationalists began killing people. The KKK were Protestants (which is why you see pictures of them burning crosses). Not trying to defend Catholicism or anything since Catholics have done an awful lot of bad stuff as well, but its pretty rich saying its just the Catholics who give Christianity a bad name.

... Your right, I guess it's mostly Catholics who kill/do things to little boys/massacre/start senseless wars.


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Postby Calenhardon » Fri Jul 15, 2011 7:49 pm

The Ben Boys wrote:
Trixiestan wrote:
They don't? The Westboro Baptist Church are, as their name suggests, Baptists. The Troubles in Ireland are considered to have started when Ulster Protestant Nationalists began killing people. The KKK were Protestants (which is why you see pictures of them burning crosses). Not trying to defend Catholicism or anything since Catholics have done an awful lot of bad stuff as well, but its pretty rich saying its just the Catholics who give Christianity a bad name.

... Your right, I guess it's mostly Catholics who kill/do things to little boys/massacre/start senseless wars.


Mostly catholics kill? Wasn't the Holocaust committed largely by lutherans? And the various US massacres of Natives by Protestants of various stripes? Weren't Orthodox Christian responsible for some nasty shit in the Balkans? Hell, IIRC the Pope actually tried to keep the US from invading Iraq, while Evangelicals were all for it. And I also recall allegations that American evangelicals were behind Uganda's law permitting stoning gay people.
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Postby Iterium » Fri Jul 15, 2011 7:51 pm

Calenhardon wrote:
The Ben Boys wrote:... Your right, I guess it's mostly Catholics who kill/do things to little boys/massacre/start senseless wars.


Mostly catholics kill? Wasn't the Holocaust committed largely by lutherans? And the various US massacres of Natives by Protestants of various stripes? Weren't Orthodox Christian responsible for some nasty shit in the Balkans? Hell, IIRC the Pope actually tried to keep the US from invading Iraq, while Evangelicals were all for it. And I also recall allegations that American evangelicals were behind Uganda's law permitting stoning gay people.

Can we just all agree that religion=murder at one point or another?
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Postby Southern Patriots » Fri Jul 15, 2011 7:53 pm

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Ok.

Wow! This is shocking! Canada is worse than the Nazis.

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Postby Trixiestan » Fri Jul 15, 2011 7:57 pm

Calenhardon wrote:
The Ben Boys wrote:... Your right, I guess it's mostly Catholics who kill/do things to little boys/massacre/start senseless wars.


Mostly catholics kill? Wasn't the Holocaust committed largely by lutherans? And the various US massacres of Natives by Protestants of various stripes? Weren't Orthodox Christian responsible for some nasty shit in the Balkans? Hell, IIRC the Pope actually tried to keep the US from invading Iraq, while Evangelicals were all for it. And I also recall allegations that American evangelicals were behind Uganda's law permitting stoning gay people.


Speaking of Uganda, don't forget the Lord's Resistance Army.

Iterium wrote:
Calenhardon wrote:
Mostly catholics kill? Wasn't the Holocaust committed largely by lutherans? And the various US massacres of Natives by Protestants of various stripes? Weren't Orthodox Christian responsible for some nasty shit in the Balkans? Hell, IIRC the Pope actually tried to keep the US from invading Iraq, while Evangelicals were all for it. And I also recall allegations that American evangelicals were behind Uganda's law permitting stoning gay people.

Can we just all agree that religion=murder at one point or another?


Yeah, I think it's safe to say we can all agree to that.
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