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by Flaming Soul Forces » Thu Jul 14, 2011 1:15 pm
Ceannairceach wrote:Common courtesy is that the OP gives his opinion first.
I, personally, am atheist and socially liberal, and an economic centrist.
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by JJ Place » Thu Jul 14, 2011 1:17 pm
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by New Alaxia » Thu Jul 14, 2011 1:37 pm
JJ Place wrote:Hello, I'm an Agnostic, I don't believe in anything, and I'm neither on the traditional right-wing or left-wing; I'm a liberal right-wing Capitalist, completed opposed to all Government.
by Libertarian Mesa » Thu Jul 14, 2011 1:38 pm
by Soviet Haaregrad » Thu Jul 14, 2011 1:39 pm
by Gannerstan » Thu Jul 14, 2011 1:45 pm
Stachland wrote:Sometimes I feel like it's weird for atheists to lean so strongly leftwards, because it seems like one could justify more right-wing principles with the lack of a precisely-defined moral compass than left-wing. Conversely, significant portions of Christian philosophy are very liberal, some almost communist, and yet Christians are normally right-wing by a good margin.
by Canadian Davsland » Thu Jul 14, 2011 2:10 pm
by Celritannia » Thu Jul 14, 2011 2:17 pm
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by Drummond and Elmsley » Thu Jul 14, 2011 2:17 pm
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by Amacia » Thu Jul 14, 2011 3:59 pm
Hwanghaebuk wrote: Atheist, liberal right.
(for americans: economically somewhat to the left from libertarians, on values roughly the same)
by Augarundus » Thu Jul 14, 2011 4:07 pm
Libertarian Mesa wrote:I believe in strong individual and democratic rights, if not excessive. I Interpret libertarianism in a different way, as do left-libertarians.
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by Soviet Haaregrad » Thu Jul 14, 2011 5:06 pm
Augarundus wrote:Libertarian Mesa wrote:I believe in strong individual and democratic rights, if not excessive. I Interpret libertarianism in a different way, as do left-libertarians.
"strong rights" = wtf?
Also, what rights. Specifically. Don't do another "Reagan freed up the economy" without explaining what you're talking about.
Explain your interpretation of libertarianism. I mean, it's interesting to note that it differs from the definition of libertarianism (not right or left wing libertarianism; libertarianism as a concept). You aren't a left libertarian (you're statist and support Reaganomics). You aren't a right libertarian (you're a social conservative w/ democracy fetish and you aren't laissez-faire). Paleolibertarianism does NOT support social conservatism (it advocates cultural conservatism/conceptual nationalism).
You aren't libertarian. Whatever interpretation of libertarianism you're offering is just a renamed version of conservatism; you can't justify Reaganomics, social conservatism, Athenian/direct/total democracy, interventionist foreign policy, etc. under any system of libertarianism. Individually, some of those (total democracy) can be exhibited in some systems (left libertarianism), but, on the whole, your entire ideology is neoconservative. It bothers libertarians to see you mangle terms like this and toss in your lot (which is anti-libertarian) with the rest of us.
by Augarundus » Thu Jul 14, 2011 5:23 pm
Soviet Haaregrad wrote:Keep in mind, when conservatives want to seem hip and edgy they try to claim they're libertarians, no matter how inaccurate it is for them to claim that title.
by Volnotova » Thu Jul 14, 2011 5:26 pm
by Farnhamia » Thu Jul 14, 2011 5:30 pm
Augarundus wrote:Libertarian Mesa wrote:I believe in strong individual and democratic rights, if not excessive. I Interpret libertarianism in a different way, as do left-libertarians.
"strong rights" = wtf?
Also, what rights. Specifically. Don't do another "Reagan freed up the economy" without explaining what you're talking about.Explain your interpretation of libertarianism. I mean, it's interesting to note that it differs from the definition of libertarianism (not right or left wing libertarianism; libertarianism as a concept). You aren't a left libertarian (you're statist and support Reaganomics). You aren't a right libertarian (you're a social conservative w/ democracy fetish and you aren't laissez-faire). Paleolibertarianism does NOT support social conservatism (it advocates cultural conservatism/conceptual nationalism).
You aren't libertarian. Whatever interpretation of libertarianism you're offering is just a renamed version of conservatism; you can't justify Reaganomics, social conservatism, Athenian/direct/total democracy, interventionist foreign policy, etc. under any system of libertarianism. Individually, some of those (total democracy) can be exhibited in some systems (left libertarianism), but, on the whole, your entire ideology is neoconservative. It bothers libertarians to see you mangle terms like this and toss in your lot (which is anti-libertarian) with the rest of us.
by Augarundus » Thu Jul 14, 2011 5:36 pm
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