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Postby Maryginia » Sat Jul 09, 2011 10:36 pm

Zhelezo wrote:I would vote for Mitt Romney and then I would vote Democrat in all other sections. Obama is incompetent.

Image your last sentance i agree with.
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Postby Threlizdun » Sat Jul 09, 2011 10:37 pm

Arumdaum wrote:The Peace and Freedom Party, but I'm too young to vote.

Plus the Peace and Freedom Party is only based in California. They're still pretty awesome though.
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Postby Mosasauria » Sat Jul 09, 2011 10:39 pm

I don't know.
Do the Communist or Socialist parties have any candidates?
If not, then probably Green party.
And if not that, Obama is still a solid choice.
Of course, my final decision is based on the potential capabilities and ideals of the individual candidate.
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Postby Arumdaum » Sat Jul 09, 2011 10:40 pm

Threlizdun wrote:
Arumdaum wrote:The Peace and Freedom Party, but I'm too young to vote.

Plus the Peace and Freedom Party is only based in California. They're still pretty awesome though.

I know. :(

They really need to spread to other states.

Or maybe I'd just vote for the Greens.
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Postby Threlizdun » Sat Jul 09, 2011 10:48 pm

Arumdaum wrote:
Threlizdun wrote:Plus the Peace and Freedom Party is only based in California. They're still pretty awesome though.

I know. :(

They really need to spread to other states.

Or maybe I'd just vote for the Greens.

The people are freaking about a mixed race male president, how do you think Cynthia Mckinney, bless her heart, would stand? If not her, then we'd have Nader, and one half of the country think he's a nutjob, while the other half are pissed at him for taking away votes from Gore in the 2000 election.
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Postby Arumdaum » Sat Jul 09, 2011 10:50 pm

Threlizdun wrote:
Arumdaum wrote:I know. :(

They really need to spread to other states.

Or maybe I'd just vote for the Greens.

The people are freaking about a mixed race male president, how do you think Cynthia Mckinney, bless her heart, would stand? If not her, then we'd have Nader, and one half of the country think he's a nutjob, while the other half are pissed at him for taking away votes from Gore in the 2000 election.

I honestly have no idea, and I'm pretty sure they won't win either. But I prefer them over the Dems and especially the Republicans.
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Postby Kommengratz » Sat Jul 09, 2011 10:52 pm

To begin, Im not a US citizen (canadian, and we had our own bittersweet election just recently), so Im only capable of commenting in the role of vaguely interested observer.

In realistic terms, the 2012 election will be Obama vs. Some Republican, unless anything extremely drastic and unlikely happens in the next 15 months. Which Republican faces off against Obama is the most important thing. Im going to make the guess that it would be Romney, which would be ideal seeing as it would be an election of two nearly identical candidates. Gingrich freaks me out (sorry to say, fellow Sickle and Hammer enthusiast). The fact that he said Obama's healthcare plan (which was the weakest and most diluted thing ever) would lead the US into tyranny and totalitarianism, as well as the fact that he jumped on that whole "Ground Zero Mosque" farce just proves that he is merely the most literate of the Republican Whackos. He also wants to bring Religion back into a more central place in the US public sphere. So, Im sorry, but the fact that he wants to put people on Mars with spaceships sporting Nike Swooshes and Golden Arches counts for very little for me.

He isnt of course the worst of all options. Palin or Bachman would be horrifying Presidents that, if elected, may give some credence to that whole 2012 apocalypse nonsense. The only silver lining here is that, should they win, the daily show would be so much better than it is now. In this case, either candidate is insane enough to ensure Obama a victory, so Im not too too worried.

So basically, I think that it will likely come down to Romney v. Obama. Of the two, I would prefer Obama, but if Romney wins, it wouldnt make that big a difference anyway. He is far too pragmatic to touch social issues (gay marriage, Abortion, and the like), so none of that enters my equation. Romneys victory would just make being poor in the US suck slightly more than it does under Obama.

At least neither are Bush. Im getting the feeling that everyone is so caught up in the whole "Obama isnt the Superman we were promised" wagon that they have forgotten how shitty a president his predecessor was.

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Liberata Terra
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Postby Liberata Terra » Sat Jul 09, 2011 10:54 pm

I'm voting for Stewart Alexander, he's trying to get the nomination from the Peace and Freedom Party and the Socialist Party USA

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Postby Episarta » Sat Jul 09, 2011 10:56 pm

Most of the GOP are a bunch of insane evangelicals, and most of the democrats fuck shit up by trying to "compromise" and "play nice". They should know by now that the GOP doesn't play nice. When you're down, they will kick you in the balls...twice. So maybe this year a third party might have somewhat of a chance? If any, I would like the Green Party or maybe the Socialists.
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Postby Archnar » Sun Jul 10, 2011 7:16 am

The Mars Prize is a 20 billion dollar prize for the first private organization to land humans on mars
This will lead to a Martain civilization/Base the launch Demands of the base will force compaines to develope nuclear rockets Biger Rockets solar sails Fusion and other new technologies.The first Mars mission will inspire a generation to Math Science and technology giving us new inventions and capabilities.It increases the optimism in a society.It puts scientific ideas and laguage into the public eye.During Apollo we had and economic growth of 4.6% then when it ended he had a recession.A civilization on Mars gives us the possibility to test new ideas on society for example some people like anarchy.They could try it out on Mars.

Health Care
Currently millions of people dont have health care and 1000s die just because of that.In canada we have short wait times.Higher quality service.Its half the cost of what amercians pay.And We live longer.

Other candidits

Communist Party
Probobly wont win but if every socialist that was voting for the democrats voted for the real communists It might get 3rd of the votes
Has great enviromental plan.Lots of workers right.Universal health care.Drive economic Growth

Green party
It got a seat in Canada.Why not the us.
Not only will it lower emmissions it will make millions in jobs from solar installation. Wind turbine mantinece
ect.Fair Trade.

Democratic socialist Party USA
More of a reformist version of communist party
But it has a lot of the same grat ideas

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Postby Ashmoria » Sun Jul 10, 2011 7:32 am

Archnar wrote:Who would You vote for in the 2012 election
for Me its Newt Gingrich why?
Mars Prize a $20 billion prize for the fist privatly funded Human Mission to Mars
On top of the fact meterites global warming nuclear war Food and water shortages could end humaity Mars offers a new world were New ideas on civilization can flourish.Some Mars colonies will be Capitalist others communist maby Direct Democacy and new rights would pop up.The labor Shortage of Martain Civilization will Incentivice Technologies new patents new Discoveries.The Demands of a growing society on Mars will cause huge advancments of Space Transportation.Gold Silver iron nikle aluminum other minerals that have yet to be discovered could be transported back to earth.If we find life it will put the final nail in the coffin that we are not special that billions of othe civilizations exist.Mabey martain bactirea could be geneticly blended with plants to grow food in deserts or in antarctica or the arctic.The advancments caused by the Martain Demand will also open up the asteroid belt and infinit wealth from the Metels alloys which represent Trillions of Dollars.A Free Future for Humanity.These Advancments will open up Helium3 mining on the Moon and Fusion EnergyFusion will alloys Terrawatts of power That will Drive humanity even Further in Science and Technology.

Universal Health Care will save Millions of lives because know everyone has healthcare.Personaly I a Canadien Love our System.
Half of what amercans pay short wait times.Higher quality.Longer life span.

He wants to end the war in iraq and ahganastan (sorry if i misspelled that)
and cut the military budget.

Look a Socialist voting for a republican that doesnt happen unless He is really Good
Vote Gingrich.


didnt you post this same thing last week?

gingrich is too lazy to win the nomination. all he wants is to be a big shot and sell books.
whatever

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Postby Serrland » Sun Jul 10, 2011 7:35 am

Archnar wrote:The Mars Prize is a 20 billion dollar prize for the first private organization to land humans on mars
This will lead to a Martain civilization/Base the launch Demands of the base will force compaines to develope nuclear rockets Biger Rockets solar sails Fusion and other new technologies.The first Mars mission will inspire a generation to Math Science and technology giving us new inventions and capabilities.It increases the optimism in a society.It puts scientific ideas and laguage into the public eye.During Apollo we had and economic growth of 4.6% then when it ended he had a recession.A civilization on Mars gives us the possibility to test new ideas on society for example some people like anarchy.They could try it out on Mars.


Hello, captain Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc.

Health Care
Currently millions of people dont have health care and 1000s die just because of that.In canada we have short wait times.Higher quality service.Its half the cost of what amercians pay.And We live longer.

Not having health insurance doesn't kill people. Cancer kills people, AIDS kills people, collisions kill people. Health Insurance just exacerbates the financial problems that can accompany ailments/injuries.

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Communist Party
Probobly wont win but if every socialist that was voting for the democrats voted for the real communists It might get 3rd of the votes
Has great enviromental plan.Lots of workers right.Universal health care.Drive economic Growth


And taking, in your estimation, a third of the votes (which I think is rather high) away from the Democrats would ensure Republican victory election after election after election.

Green party
It got a seat in Canada.Why not the us.
Not only will it lower emmissions it will make millions in jobs from solar installation. Wind turbine mantinece
ect.Fair Trade.


Many States have strong and influential Green Party organizations, and their endorsement is often sought.

Democratic socialist Party USA
More of a reformist version of communist party
But it has a lot of the same grat ideas

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Do you mean DSA or SPUSA?

Both are plagued by poor management and unwise use of funds as well as a general inability to fundraise successfully.

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Postby Greater Tezdrian » Sun Jul 10, 2011 7:45 am

It depends on the size National Federalist Party by then, and whether they field a candidate. Other than that, no one.
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Postby -St George » Sun Jul 10, 2011 7:49 am

Vote Sibirsky/Buffet and Colbert Ticket.
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Postby Archnar » Sun Jul 10, 2011 8:20 am

Not having insurence does kill because you cant pay for the life saving treatment

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Postby Serrland » Sun Jul 10, 2011 8:21 am

Archnar wrote:Not having insurence does kill because you cant pay for the life saving treatment

In which case you're getting killed by the thing requiring the treatment in the first place.

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Postby Archnar » Sun Jul 10, 2011 8:23 am

But if you combine the people who voted for the communists and the democrats they would have far more power than republicans
Rupublicans couldnt get anything through congress.and Communist/Rupublicans would still have most of the power.

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Postby Archnar » Sun Jul 10, 2011 8:26 am

OK technecnecly yes but 1000s dieing of perfectly cureable illnesses is still a problem especialy when there is an alternative

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Postby H-Alba » Sun Jul 10, 2011 8:47 am

Liberata Terra wrote:I'm voting for Stewart Alexander, he's trying to get the nomination from the Peace and Freedom Party and the Socialist Party USA


Stewart Alexander withdrew a few days ago, he's no longer running.
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Postby H-Alba » Sun Jul 10, 2011 8:49 am

Mosasauria wrote:I don't know.
Do the Communist or Socialist parties have any candidates?
If not, then probably Green party.
And if not that, Obama is still a solid choice.
Of course, my final decision is based on the potential capabilities and ideals of the individual candidate.


The Communist Party of America never has a candidate, they say to vote Republican or Socialist. (That's what my friend told me at least), right now there isn't a candidate even if that isn't true.

Stewart Alexander was running for the Socialist and Green Parties, but he withdrew a few days ago. Kent Mesplay is running for the Green Party.
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Postby Greater Cabinda » Sun Jul 10, 2011 8:50 am

Zhelezo wrote:I would vote for Mitt Romney

Dear god. Do you realize what damage someone like that could do to our country?
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Postby Tuskenjaar » Sun Jul 10, 2011 8:50 am

I would vote for Sir David Duke, he has the sense of nationalism that we need at this point. His past doesn't matter, because his platform to cut immigration at the source, stop donations to other countries, and getting the troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan and into Libya sees solid to me.
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Postby Tuskenjaar » Sun Jul 10, 2011 8:53 am

Tuskenjaar wrote:I would vote for Sir David Duke, he has the sense of nationalism that we need at this point. His past doesn't matter, because his platform to cut immigration at the source, stop donations to other countries, and getting the troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan and into Libya sees solid to me.


Either David Duke or Rick Perry governor of texas., because his plans for religion seem good to me.
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Postby Greater Tezdrian » Sun Jul 10, 2011 8:56 am

Archnar wrote:Rupublicans

technecnecly

cureable

Incentivice

nikle

Mabey

martain

bactirea

geneticly

infinit

Metels

Personaly

Canadien

amercans

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Postby Ashmoria » Sun Jul 10, 2011 8:57 am

Tuskenjaar wrote:I would vote for Sir David Duke, he has the sense of nationalism that we need at this point. His past doesn't matter, because his platform to cut immigration at the source, stop donations to other countries, and getting the troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan and into Libya sees solid to me.

lol

yeah we need to follow the first black president with a klansman.
whatever

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