Strength of Atheism

[Norstal]

wow. A dick. Not rare among the rabid atheist crowd.

wow another religious idiot

No flambeing now.

[Shnercropolis]

really?
because unless the universe simply created itself(as it would have if there was no god) couldn't God just create himself?

Wouldn't it be simpler if the universe created itself?

Rather than God creating himself THEN creating the universe?

no, it wouldn't. Because it has been proven time and time again that matter cannot be created, but an omnipotent and omniscient being would be capable of doing so(hence the term omnipotent)

[Mosasauria]

Usually i see theists get ripped to shreds by hordes of Anti-theists. It's kind of a nice break to see an anti-theist try desperately to detroy a Deist, who somehow refuses to die.

Refering to me, are you? Lovely.

How so?

Who are we to say for certain that there is/are no god(s), spirits, etc. in this vast universe of ours?

Believing in no god does not mean there are no intelligent beings other than humans. What the fuck.

Ants, for example, are smarter than humans. Does not mean there's a god. How fallacious.

Proof for "Ant are smarter than humans", please.

The what is the point of God? A god that merely creates the universe is not a god. He/She/It is merely a natural force. And Occam's Razor determines that we cut out any complications to make the simplest explanation possible.

So... Assuming that the arguement is God made the Universe... And nothing made God... According to Occam's Razor, nothing made the Universe.

For all we know, God is not merely a natural force, but THE natural force. I refuse to dismiss the possiblity out of hand.

I have never claimed in my life that there is no god. I just don't have faith and refuse to believe in any deity any longer.

[Seperates]

Anti-theist and if I could I'd make it illegal to be anything else.

wow. A dick. Not rare among the rabid atheist crowd.

Wow, a dick who can't support his position. Common among the "holier than thou" theist crowd.

[Ostroeuropa]

wow. A dick. Not rare among the rabid atheist crowd.

wow another religious idiot

Comrade!

[Gothinia]

CORRECTION!!! God still could have created the initial being
WIN FOR THEISTS

Correction. What proof do you have for that?

And where is YOUR theory of how the first life form got there? EXACTLY, you don't know

[Shnercropolis]

really?
because unless the universe simply created itself(as it would have if there was no god) couldn't God just create himself?

Just like time? Just like how organic chemicals can form microscopic life? Thus, where your argument fails. You don't need god to create life if this was true.

life? We were talking about the universe.

[Gothinia]

Wouldn't it be simpler if the universe created itself?

Rather than God creating himself THEN creating the universe?

no, it wouldn't. Because it has been proven time and time again that matter cannot be created, but an omnipotent and omniscient being would be capable of doing so(hence the term omnipotent)

This guy pwned science

[Seperates]

Wouldn't it be simpler if the universe created itself?

Rather than God creating himself THEN creating the universe?

no, it wouldn't. Because it has been proven time and time again that matter cannot be created, but an omnipotent and omniscient being would be capable of doing so(hence the term omnipotent)

Matter can be created from other matter. And how can a being make itself from nothing into matter? Your arguement is illogical.

[Norstal]

no, it wouldn't. Because it has been proven time and time again that matter cannot be created, but an omnipotent and omniscient being would be capable of doing so(hence the term omnipotent)

So what? It's academic dishonesty to conclude that "god did it". You're not a science nerd. You're just like one of those creationists who's trying to justify religion as scientific. Which sickens me.

Those matter could already be here. It doesn't require a god.

[Ostroeuropa]

Wouldn't it be simpler if the universe created itself?

Rather than God creating himself THEN creating the universe?

no, it wouldn't. Because it has been proven time and time again that matter cannot be created, but an omnipotent and omniscient being would be capable of doing so(hence the term omnipotent)

1.
Matter cannot be created within the universe, this does not entail it cannot be created before the universe.

2.
Omnipotency is impossible and is omniscience.

[Ferrond]

wow another religious idiot

Comrade!

[Shnercropolis]

wow. A dick. Not rare among the rabid atheist crowd.

Wow, a dick who can't support his position. Common among the "holier than thou" theist crowd.

oh dear God. I'm not gonna say it because it would be flaming.

[Ostroeuropa]

Correction. What proof do you have for that?

And where is YOUR theory of how the first life form got there? EXACTLY, you don't know

Panspermia/Abiogenesis.
Thanks.

[Seperates]

Just like time? Just like how organic chemicals can form microscopic life? Thus, where your argument fails. You don't need god to create life if this was true.

life? We were talking about the universe.

Still easier for the universe to always have been there.

[Drachmar]

RELIGIOUS SHIT-STORM DEBATE...ENGAGE!!!

[Norstal]

Just like time? Just like how organic chemicals can form microscopic life? Thus, where your argument fails. You don't need god to create life if this was true.

life? We were talking about the universe.

Same thing can be applied to the universe. It's always been there. It doesn't require a god.

[Seperates]

Wow, a dick who can't support his position. Common among the "holier than thou" theist crowd.

oh dear God. I'm not gonna say it because it would be flaming.

Still can't support your position without rehashings of old disproven deistic/theistic arguement. Sorry man, ain't gonna fly here.

[Shnercropolis]

life? We were talking about the universe.

Same thing can be applied to the universe. It's always been there. It doesn't require a god.

please explain to me why the same could not be applied to God?

[Seperates]

And where is YOUR theory of how the first life form got there? EXACTLY, you don't know

Panspermia/Abiogenesis.
Thanks.

Yeah, this. Kthxbai.

[Ferrond]

wow another religious idiot

No flambeing now.

I'm cool, I also give this thread a life expectancy of a couple of hours.

[Norstal]

Same thing can be applied to the universe. It's always been there. It doesn't require a god.

please explain to me why the same could not be applied to God?

Because it made itself. it has always been there.

Like your concept of god, I can use your own ammunition against you.

[Unhealthy2]

Because it has been proven time and time again that matter cannot be created

No.

[Shnercropolis]

No flambeing now.

I'm cool, I also give this thread a life expectancy of a couple of hours.

yeah a fire needs tending. This thread is untended. But either way, I can hold out till I go to bed.

[Ostroeuropa]

Theories for the creation of the universe:


Absolute Vaccuum-
1. Even in absolute vaccuums within the universe, random energy pops into and out of existance for no reason.
2. In a true absolute vaccuum (IE. Pre-Everything.) matter could have emerged spontaneously.



Splinter Universes-
Our universe has split off from another one.


Nested Universes-
Stuff goes into black hole, black hole disappears after x years (This happens, we have no idea where it goes.).
One theory is it goes outside the universe and becomes another one.


Universal Heartbeat- (Looks unlikely)
Expand, Contract, Expand, Contract