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Strength of your atheism?

Anti-theism
41
14%
Strong Atheism
83
29%
Weak Atheism
49
17%
Self-Proclaimed Agnostic
20
7%
Deist
15
5%
Theist
80
28%
 
Total votes : 288

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The Holy Twig
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Postby The Holy Twig » Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:29 pm

I'm a-theistic - noting that "a" essentially means "lack of" and theism means - well, theism.
I have a simple lack of belief in any kind of deity figure, though I don't believe that "God doesn't exist" because proving the existence of god, one way or the other, is impossible. (In my opinion)
You could classify that as "Weak Atheism", I suppose, if you want to go around belittling peoples' lack of belief.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:30 pm

The Holy Twig wrote:I'm a-theistic - noting that "a" essentially means "lack of" and theism means - well, theism.
I have a simple lack of belief in any kind of deity figure, though I don't believe that "God doesn't exist" because proving the existence of god, one way or the other, is impossible. (In my opinion)
You could classify that as "Weak Atheism", I suppose, if you want to go around belittling peoples' lack of belief.


Weak doesn't necessarily mean worse.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Carlist Europe
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Postby Carlist Europe » Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:31 pm

Usually i see theists get ripped to shreds by hordes of Anti-theists. It's kind of a nice break to see an anti-theist try desperately to detroy a Deist, who somehow refuses to die.
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And this we will fight for as well.

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Postby Gothinia » Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:33 pm

will there ever..... be a stop..... to these FUCKING RELIGION THREADS!?
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:33 pm

Gothinia wrote:will there ever..... be a stop..... to these FUCKING RELIGION THREADS!?


Sure, when the atheists win.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Norstal » Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:34 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Gothinia wrote:will there ever..... be a stop..... to these FUCKING RELIGION THREADS!?


Sure, when the atheists win.

We already won. Theists just need to get the message through their head.
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Postby Shnercropolis » Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:34 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Gothinia wrote:will there ever..... be a stop..... to these FUCKING RELIGION THREADS!?


Sure, when the atheists win.

so, never?
Seriously, what are you guys so aggressive about your beliefs?
it is my firm belief that I should never have to justify my beliefs.

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Postby Seperates » Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:35 pm

Norstal wrote:
Seperates wrote:The what is the point of God? A god that merely creates the universe is not a god. He/She/It is merely a natural force. And Occam's Razor determines that we cut out any complications to make the simplest explanation possible.

So... Assuming that the arguement is God made the Universe... And nothing made God... According to Occam's Razor, nothing made the Universe.

You and Occam's razor...don't you need to buy new blades? I thought you used it up already.

Hilarious when you remember that Occam himself was a monk...
You would think that it would be useless by now, but it turns out to be extremly effective philosophy against deists, seeing as we have the same amount of proof. Gotta keep having to go to the store though... they're freaking expensive.
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Postby Sovereign Spirits » Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:35 pm

Mosasauria wrote:

Damnit, I just quoted that!


Yes. I am superior to not just one or the other, but to all. The sooner you accept this, the sooner you will find harmony in your life.
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Postby The Holy Twig » Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:35 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
The Holy Twig wrote:I'm a-theistic - noting that "a" essentially means "lack of" and theism means - well, theism.
I have a simple lack of belief in any kind of deity figure, though I don't believe that "God doesn't exist" because proving the existence of god, one way or the other, is impossible. (In my opinion)
You could classify that as "Weak Atheism", I suppose, if you want to go around belittling peoples' lack of belief.


Weak doesn't necessarily mean worse.

Sense - Reasoning, like that, is for the weak.

Shnercropolis wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Sure, when the atheists win.

so, never?
Seriously, why are you guys so aggressive about your lack of beliefs?


Fixed.
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Postby Drachmar » Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:36 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:Definitions as follows:
Deist
(Technically atheists.) I hope I don't have to go into this.


Poll fail...

Learn what a Deist actually believes before you categorize them as "atheists." That's entirely false.

Moi?

Pantheist (but you don't include that in your poll)...
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Postby Seperates » Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:36 pm

Shnercropolis wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Sure, when the atheists win.

so, never?
Seriously, what are you guys so aggressive about your beliefs?

Dude, we atheists win all the time. I don't even know why these threads are up, but it's a hell of alot of fun.
This Debate is simply an exercise in Rhetoric. Truth is a fickle being with no intentions of showing itself today.

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Postby Shnercropolis » Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:36 pm

and how do you rate your "winning" what defines "winning"?
it is my firm belief that I should never have to justify my beliefs.

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Postby Norstal » Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:36 pm

Shnercropolis wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Sure, when the atheists win.

so, never?
Seriously, what are you guys so aggressive about your beliefs?

Seriously, why are you whining instead of standing up for what you believe in?
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Postby Shnercropolis » Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:37 pm

Seperates wrote:
Shnercropolis wrote:so, never?
Seriously, what are you guys so aggressive about your beliefs?

Dude, we atheists win all the time. I don't even know why these threads are up, but it's a hell of alot of fun.

win what?
it is my firm belief that I should never have to justify my beliefs.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:37 pm

Drachmar wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:Definitions as follows:
Deist
(Technically atheists.) I hope I don't have to go into this.


Poll fail...

Learn what a Deist actually believes before you categorize them as "atheists." That's entirely false.

Moi?

Pantheist (but you don't include that in your poll)...


Deists are not theists.
Thus, they are atheists.
Pantheists are theists.
Thus, they are theists.
Tautology club for tautology.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Norstal » Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:37 pm

Shnercropolis wrote:and how do you rate your "winning" what defines "winning"?

Because we already proved that God doesn't exist.
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Postby Carlist Europe » Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:37 pm

Sovereign Spirits wrote:
Mosasauria wrote:Damnit, I just quoted that!


Yes. I am superior to not just one or the other, but to all. The sooner you accept this, the sooner you will find harmony in your life.


Key word "Feel"
you aren't superior, you just feel like you are.
Por Dios, por la Patria y el Rey

Su Majestad el Rey Mateo XVI a los Valientes, el Emperador de los Carlistas.

For God, for Country and the King.
This is what our forefathers fought for.
For God, for Country and the King.
And this we will fight for as well.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:38 pm

Norstal wrote:
Shnercropolis wrote:and how do you rate your "winning" what defines "winning"?

Because we already proved that God doesn't exist.


Yes, it's been proven.
Why can't they see it =(
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Drachmar » Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:38 pm

Shnercropolis wrote:and how do you rate your "winning" what defines "winning"?


Image


Charlie Sheen defines "Winning."
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...which explains why people keep sticking shovels in your head.


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Postby Seperates » Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:38 pm

Shnercropolis wrote:and how do you rate your "winning" what defines "winning"?

The fact that I've never seen a theological arguement that, by the end of the discussion, doesn't resemble a forgien kite that just went through Switzerland.
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This Debate is simply an exercise in Rhetoric. Truth is a fickle being with no intentions of showing itself today.

Non fui, fui, non sum, non curo

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Postby Metroarachnidanopolis » Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:38 pm

Carlist Europe wrote:Usually i see theists get ripped to shreds by hordes of Anti-theists. It's kind of a nice break to see an anti-theist try desperately to detroy a Deist, who somehow refuses to die.


Refering to me, are you? Lovely. >:(

Mosasauria wrote:
Metroarachnidanopolis wrote:
That is precisely a part of my argument.

How so?


Who are we to say for certain that there is/are no god(s), spirits, etc. in this vast universe of ours?

Norstal wrote:
Metroarachnidanopolis wrote:Deist.

Atheism is arrogance: We would be damned haughty as a species to think we are the pinnicle of intelligent entities. In the grand scheme of things, we are of no consequence whatsoever.

Furthermore, make the Appeal to the Clockwork Universe argument.

Believing in no god does not mean there are no intelligent beings other than humans. What the fuck.

Ants, for example, are smarter than humans. Does not mean there's a god. How fallacious.


Proof for "Ant are smarter than humans", please.

Seperates wrote:
Metroarachnidanopolis wrote:
That is precisely a part of my argument.

The what is the point of God? A god that merely creates the universe is not a god. He/She/It is merely a natural force. And Occam's Razor determines that we cut out any complications to make the simplest explanation possible.

So... Assuming that the arguement is God made the Universe... And nothing made God... According to Occam's Razor, nothing made the Universe.


For all we know, God is not merely a natural force, but THE natural force. I refuse to dismiss the possiblity out of hand.

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Postby Shnercropolis » Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:39 pm

Norstal wrote:
Shnercropolis wrote:and how do you rate your "winning" what defines "winning"?

Because we already proved that God doesn't exist.

really?
because I've got three religions to back me up.
it is my firm belief that I should never have to justify my beliefs.

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Postby Shnercropolis » Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:40 pm

Seperates wrote:
Shnercropolis wrote:and how do you rate your "winning" what defines "winning"?

The fact that I've never seen a theological arguement that, by the end of the discussion, doesn't resemble a forgien kite that just went through Switzerland.

teehee. You obviously havent met me.
it is my firm belief that I should never have to justify my beliefs.

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Postby Norstal » Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:40 pm

Metroarachnidanopolis wrote:
Proof for "Ant are smarter than humans", please.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozkBd2p2piU

Now prove that god exists.
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