second most powerful country

[Keronians]

Because it's arguable that Russia is the second most powerful military power in the World?

Russia at best qualifies for third. France or Britain are for more deserving of the #2 spot than Russia. Not just for having superior equipment, but for actually have trained forces. The morale of the Russian army is shit, and they are made up of mostly conscripts.

Hence why I said "arguable".

[Keronians]

Europe combined has a larger population and GDP than America (lower per capita but we have got a lot of Eastern Europe to drag along a while).

...and? I thought we were talking navies, a combined European fleet would still get pwned.

How so?

A European confederation / federation could carry out investment in arms at the same scale as the US, and build a military capable of rivalling the US'.

The main limitations on European nations' militaries are to do with the budget and the resources, not with technology.

[Lackadaisical2]

...and? I thought we were talking navies, a combined European fleet would still get pwned.

How so?

I was speaking to the present.

A European confederation / federation could carry out investment in arms at the same scale as the US, and build a military capable of rivalling the US'.

The main limitations on European nations' militaries are to do with the budget and the resources, not with technology.

I agree with you there, theres really no drive for them to do anything like this though, and it would probably take over 30 years to accomplish if they set out on the task today.

[Keronians]

How so?

I was speaking to the present.

A European confederation / federation could carry out investment in arms at the same scale as the US, and build a military capable of rivalling the US'.

The main limitations on European nations' militaries are to do with the budget and the resources, not with technology.

I agree with you there, theres really no drive for them to do anything like this though, and it would probably take over 30 years to accomplish if they set out on the task today.

Ironically, this is contrasted with China, that has money basically spilling out of its pockets, and vast resources, but '80s technology.

[Keronians]

How so?

I was speaking to the present.

A European confederation / federation could carry out investment in arms at the same scale as the US, and build a military capable of rivalling the US'.

The main limitations on European nations' militaries are to do with the budget and the resources, not with technology.

I agree with you there, theres really no drive for them to do anything like this though, and it would probably take over 30 years to accomplish if they set out on the task today.

Well, the Treaty of Lisbon has authorised the EU to carry out such a form of integration if it wishes to, and numerous EU leaders have come out in support of a common defence.

[Soxastan]

Russia should be #2 due to its number of nukes. China could be #3 because of its militarism and ability to muster up the largest army in the world and have it in decent fighting shape. Then the UK and France should come after that.

[Keronians]

Russia should be #2 due to its number of nukes. China could be #3 because of its militarism and ability to muster up the largest army in the world and have it in decent fighting shape. Then the UK and France should come after that.

Lol no.

Russia, alright, I can see how you'd put it there, but China? No.

China's navy is pathetic.

[Hossaim]

Canda>US

Canada has the US and the UK protecting them but even if they weren't we would be fine be fine because nobody wants to fight Canada so we don't need a millitary, but we still have one just in case.

the US has the ENTIRE middle east after them, and north korea as well.

so i consider myself safer as a Canadian.

[Lackadaisical2]

Canda>US

Canada has the US and the UK protecting them but even if they weren't we would be fine be fine because nobody wants to fight Canada so we don't need a millitary, but we still have one just in case.

the US has the ENTIRE middle east after them, and north korea as well.

so i consider myself safer as a Canadian.

Its a question of power, not safety, try again.

[Kazomal]

Russia should be #2 due to its number of nukes. China could be #3 because of its militarism and ability to muster up the largest army in the world and have it in decent fighting shape. Then the UK and France should come after that.

Lol no.

Russia, alright, I can see how you'd put it there, but China? No.

China's navy is pathetic.

Right, but their defense strategy takes this into account, and China does not need a navy that can beat the US in order to defend it's interests. They have focused on frustrating US naval power in much more cost-effective ways, such as the Dong carrier-killer missile. Fear China's mighty Dongs!

[Hossaim]

Canda>US

Canada has the US and the UK protecting them but even if they weren't we would be fine be fine because nobody wants to fight Canada so we don't need a millitary, but we still have one just in case.

the US has the ENTIRE middle east after them, and north korea as well.

so i consider myself safer as a Canadian.

Its a question of power, not safety, try again.

i know were not as powerful as the us, but were certainly not some weak ass country like some people are saying.

[Keronians]

Lol no.

Russia, alright, I can see how you'd put it there, but China? No.

China's navy is pathetic.

Right, but their defense strategy takes this into account, and China does not need a navy that can beat the US in order to defend it's interests. They have focused on frustrating US naval power in much more cost-effective ways, such as the Dong carrier-killer missile. Fear China's mighty Dongs!

Except the JSDF could probably beat them if they wanted to.

[Hossaim]

Canda>US

Canada has the US and the UK protecting them but even if they weren't we would be fine be fine because nobody wants to fight Canada so we don't need a millitary, but we still have one just in case.

the US has the ENTIRE middle east after them, and north korea as well.

so i consider myself safer as a Canadian.

Its a question of power, not safety, try again.

Canada have the greatest power. What makes us so powerful is we have the power of....


FRIENDSHIP

[New Embossia]

Its a question of power, not safety, try again.

Canada have the greatest power. What makes us so powerful is we have the power of....


FRIENDSHIP

Friendship.

[Crabulonia]

Europe combined has a larger population and GDP than America (lower per capita but we have got a lot of Eastern Europe to drag along a while).

...and? I thought we were talking navies, a combined European fleet would still get pwned.

Who actually uses navies nowadays anyway? When was the last time the America navy had a real engagement with any force that could be described within even a rate of it?

[Keronians]

...and? I thought we were talking navies, a combined European fleet would still get pwned.

Who actually uses navies nowadays anyway? When was the last time the America navy had a real engagement with any force that could be described within even a rate of it?

Everybody? A nation's navy determines its power projection...

[Crabulonia]

Who actually uses navies nowadays anyway? When was the last time the America navy had a real engagement with any force that could be described within even a rate of it?

Everybody? A nation's navy determines its power projection...

Of course I know that but does anybody actually use their navy nowadays for anything but transport, curbing piracy, and a national dick-swinging contest?

[New Embossia]

Everybody? A nation's navy determines its power projection...

Of course I know that but does anybody actually use their navy nowadays for anything but transport, curbing piracy, and a national dick-swinging contest?

Yes.

[Keronians]

Everybody? A nation's navy determines its power projection...

Of course I know that but does anybody actually use their navy nowadays for anything but transport, curbing piracy, and a national dick-swinging contest?

Transport is immensely important. And how else would you land troops into a nation and have a retreat secured?

How else would you have an efficient air force?

[Crabulonia]

Of course I know that but does anybody actually use their navy nowadays for anything but transport, curbing piracy, and a national dick-swinging contest?

Transport is immensely important. And how else would you land troops into a nation and have a retreat secured?

How else would you have an efficient air force?

If it was really efficient it should be able to fly.

[Lackadaisical2]

...and? I thought we were talking navies, a combined European fleet would still get pwned.

Who actually uses navies nowadays anyway?

Fucking everyone, especially the US, they're kinda necessary for power projection and especially fast response when you may not have a base nearby. Seriously they're very useful.

When was the last time the America navy had a real engagement with any force that could be described within even a rate of it?

WW2, because that was the last time there was a navy that existed on our level, I'd like to keep it that way.

[Keronians]

Transport is immensely important. And how else would you land troops into a nation and have a retreat secured?

How else would you have an efficient air force?

If it was really efficient it should be able to fly.

And waste a lot of fuel as well. Where would it land? Where would it be maintained? On board carriers, that's where.

An air force without a navy is useless.

[Lackadaisical2]

If it was really efficient it should be able to fly.

And waste a lot of fuel as well. Where would it land? Where would it be maintained? On board carriers, that's where.

An air force without a navy is useless.

Not useless, just much more suited to bombing your neighbor or self defense(but few Western nations have hostile neighbors).

[Keronians]

And waste a lot of fuel as well. Where would it land? Where would it be maintained? On board carriers, that's where.

An air force without a navy is useless.

Not useless, just much more suited to bombing your neighbor or self defense(but few Western nations have hostile neighbors).

I was speaking more on a global scale.

Meh.

[Kazomal]

Right, but their defense strategy takes this into account, and China does not need a navy that can beat the US in order to defend it's interests. They have focused on frustrating US naval power in much more cost-effective ways, such as the Dong carrier-killer missile. Fear China's mighty Dongs!

Except the JSDF could probably beat them if they wanted to.

I don't know much about Japan's military capabilities, so I'll have to take your word for it.

Beat them in what way? You think that JSDF could straight-out invade China successfully, or just successfully defend Japan's interests from Chinese aggression?