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Postby Soviet Haaregrad » Fri Jul 08, 2011 1:59 pm

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Yay Britain is more powerful than France!

That's not surprising. But how is France more powerful than Germany?


More powerful military, especially the force projection elements. They have their own nuclear deterrent force and aircraft carriers too.
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Postby Malgrave » Fri Jul 08, 2011 2:10 pm

It's good to see the United Kingdom ranking second on the list, although weakened in recent years the United Kingdom has certainly proven it's worth in the diplomatic table and still holds influence in former Commonwealth States.

It is also good to see Russia recovering well from the collapse of the Soviet Union, although dispersal of wealth is an issue it has to face in the future.
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Postby Minnysota » Fri Jul 08, 2011 2:27 pm

Soviet Haaregrad wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:That's not surprising. But how is France more powerful than Germany?


More powerful military, especially the force projection elements. They have their own nuclear deterrent force and aircraft carriers too.


This.

I'd put France and Britain on an equal level militarily because they both have stout armies, navies, and air forces. However, France currently holds better power projection than Britain with larger nuclear-powered carriers that have superior aircraft in the Rafale. The superior power projection is the only reason why I'd ever rate France at #2 instead of Britain. I'd say that France and Britain are both the best contenders for the #2 spot.
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Postby Malgrave » Fri Jul 08, 2011 2:37 pm

Minnysota wrote:
Soviet Haaregrad wrote:
More powerful military, especially the force projection elements. They have their own nuclear deterrent force and aircraft carriers too.


This.

I'd put France and Britain on an equal level militarily because they both have stout armies, navies, and air forces. However, France currently holds better power projection than Britain with larger nuclear-powered carriers that have superior aircraft in the Rafale. The superior power projection is the only reason why I'd ever rate France at #2 instead of Britain. I'd say that France and Britain are both the best contenders for the #2 spot.


The United Kingdom have a higher quality special forces and more diplomatic reach then France.
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Postby Keronians » Fri Jul 08, 2011 3:08 pm

Malgrave wrote:
Minnysota wrote:
This.

I'd put France and Britain on an equal level militarily because they both have stout armies, navies, and air forces. However, France currently holds better power projection than Britain with larger nuclear-powered carriers that have superior aircraft in the Rafale. The superior power projection is the only reason why I'd ever rate France at #2 instead of Britain. I'd say that France and Britain are both the best contenders for the #2 spot.


The United Kingdom have a higher quality special forces and more diplomatic reach then France.


And France owns half of Africa.
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Postby Keronians » Fri Jul 08, 2011 3:10 pm

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Keronians wrote:I'm still confused as to why China thinks it's more powerful than Japan.

Although I disagree with them, I'd say it's the larger economy and military.


Yes, but the Japanese have a higher power projection. And even in terms of economy, the Japanese don't need to subsidise western lifestyles and make their own citizens suffer.
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Postby Sibirsky » Fri Jul 08, 2011 3:14 pm

Keronians wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:Although I disagree with them, I'd say it's the larger economy and military.


Yes, but the Japanese have a higher power projection. And even in terms of economy, the Japanese don't need to subsidise western lifestyles and make their own citizens suffer.

Hence the first five words of my response :)
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Postby The USOT » Fri Jul 08, 2011 3:39 pm

TBH I would have said China. If only because of its huge political leverage and it being the pimp of many corporate hoes around the world due to its massive labour force...

Britain could be stronger, but imo it would have to develop greater relations and greater economics trust into the commonwealth as an international body than it does the EU. British people are more inclined to work alongside the "colonies"
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Postby Crabulonia » Fri Jul 08, 2011 3:56 pm

Does anybody reckon the Chinese government is maybe selling itself short to get us into a state of comfort? Sort of like on that South Park about Chinpokemon where the Japanese CEOs keep going on about the length of American penises to have the men lose interest in being competitive. In a room of ten guys, they are estimating penis length and have estimated theirs less than the average to make the other guys happy.

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Postby Chetssaland » Fri Jul 08, 2011 4:00 pm

Not sure if this list has been brought up yet, but... http://www.globalfirepower.com/

I don't necessarily agree with the list. Most noteworthy is Germany being too far down the list and India and China being above the UK.

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Postby The Southern Dictators » Fri Jul 08, 2011 4:11 pm

Crabulonia wrote:Does anybody reckon the Chinese government is maybe selling itself short to get us into a state of comfort? Sort of like on that South Park about Chinpokemon where the Japanese CEOs keep going on about the length of American penises to have the men lose interest in being competitive. In a room of ten guys, they are estimating penis length and have estimated theirs less than the average to make the other guys happy.


Off topic but in that ep the chinese penises ARE actually small.
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Postby Soviet Haaregrad » Fri Jul 08, 2011 4:14 pm

The Southern Dictators wrote:
Crabulonia wrote:Does anybody reckon the Chinese government is maybe selling itself short to get us into a state of comfort? Sort of like on that South Park about Chinpokemon where the Japanese CEOs keep going on about the length of American penises to have the men lose interest in being competitive. In a room of ten guys, they are estimating penis length and have estimated theirs less than the average to make the other guys happy.


Off topic but in that ep the chinese penises ARE actually small.


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Postby Mike the Progressive » Fri Jul 08, 2011 4:15 pm

Sibirsky wrote:
Chinese Regions wrote:A bit generous of them :lol:
Yay Britain is more powerful than France!

That's not surprising. But how is France more powerful than Germany?


They eat snails *nods* You gotta have balls to do that.

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Postby Caninope » Fri Jul 08, 2011 5:00 pm

Mike the Progressive wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:That's not surprising. But how is France more powerful than Germany?


They eat snails *nods* You gotta have balls to do that.

Too bad those guys are never around whenever Germany decides it wants to play. :p
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Postby Crabulonia » Fri Jul 08, 2011 5:24 pm

The Southern Dictators wrote:
Crabulonia wrote:Does anybody reckon the Chinese government is maybe selling itself short to get us into a state of comfort? Sort of like on that South Park about Chinpokemon where the Japanese CEOs keep going on about the length of American penises to have the men lose interest in being competitive. In a room of ten guys, they are estimating penis length and have estimated theirs less than the average to make the other guys happy.


Off topic but in that ep the chinese Japanese penises ARE actually small.


Yeah but that's just a distraction while they train their kids to take over bomb Pearl Harbour. This list is just a distraction "Oh! Look how big your penises are other countries, compared to us lowly China!" While they are actually gaining influence fast.

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Postby Keronians » Fri Jul 08, 2011 5:34 pm

Crabulonia wrote:
The Southern Dictators wrote:
Off topic but in that ep the chinese Japanese penises ARE actually small.


Yeah but that's just a distraction while they train their kids to take over bomb Pearl Harbour. This list is just a distraction "Oh! Look how big your penises are other countries, compared to us lowly China!" While they are actually gaining influence fast.


Really? I'm seeing a China eager to begin dick waving as soon as possible... :unsure:

Now the UK. Now there's a fine example of how to use your pussy to get yourself a good man. :p

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Postby Crabulonia » Fri Jul 08, 2011 5:36 pm

Keronians wrote:
Crabulonia wrote:
Yeah but that's just a distraction while they train their kids to take over bomb Pearl Harbour. This list is just a distraction "Oh! Look how big your penises are other countries, compared to us lowly China!" While they are actually gaining influence fast.


Really? I'm seeing a China eager to begin dick waving as soon as possible... :unsure:

Now the UK. Now there's a fine example of how to use your pussy to get yourself a good man. :p

(Yes, this is a joke).


Well you know Britannia, she is as devious as she is promiscuous.

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Postby Jinos » Fri Jul 08, 2011 6:03 pm

Chetssaland wrote:Not sure if this list has been brought up yet, but... http://www.globalfirepower.com/

I don't necessarily agree with the list. Most noteworthy is Germany being too far down the list and India and China being above the UK.


That's because the UK doesn't really have much of a military. It's a small island nation.

Interesting website though.
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Postby Crabulonia » Fri Jul 08, 2011 6:25 pm

Jinos wrote:
Chetssaland wrote:Not sure if this list has been brought up yet, but... http://www.globalfirepower.com/

I don't necessarily agree with the list. Most noteworthy is Germany being too far down the list and India and China being above the UK.


That's because the UK doesn't really have much of a military. It's a small island nation.

Interesting website though.


Not a bad army for a small nation. SAS, SBS, very powerful units they are. Also got not bad armour divisions, fine regulars, a good ground of navy marines. I would disagree, we have much of a military. Not got LOADS of it but we've got much of it certainly.

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Postby Vingtor » Fri Jul 08, 2011 11:51 pm

Crabulonia wrote:
Jinos wrote:
That's because the UK doesn't really have much of a military. It's a small island nation.

Interesting website though.


Not a bad army for a small nation. SAS, SBS, very powerful units they are. Also got not bad armour divisions, fine regulars, a good ground of navy marines. I would disagree, we have much of a military. Not got LOADS of it but we've got much of it certainly.

True that. SAS units are as feared as SEALS and like a step below Deltas. Also the combat mentality is there. UKers are just more agressive then the French.
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Postby Soviet Haaregrad » Fri Jul 08, 2011 11:57 pm

Vingtor wrote:
Crabulonia wrote:
Not a bad army for a small nation. SAS, SBS, very powerful units they are. Also got not bad armour divisions, fine regulars, a good ground of navy marines. I would disagree, we have much of a military. Not got LOADS of it but we've got much of it certainly.

True that. SAS units are as feared as SEALS and like a step below Deltas. Also the combat mentality is there. UKers are just more agressive then the French.


Because 1er Régiment de Parachutistes d'Infanterie de Marine are such pushovers. :roll:
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Postby Vingtor » Sat Jul 09, 2011 12:00 am

Soviet Haaregrad wrote:
Vingtor wrote:True that. SAS units are as feared as SEALS and like a step below Deltas. Also the combat mentality is there. UKers are just more agressive then the French.


Because 1er Régiment de Parachutistes d'Infanterie de Marine are such pushovers. :roll:

When push comes to shove. Plus how many french collage girls do you read about killing Italians?
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Postby Soviet Haaregrad » Sat Jul 09, 2011 12:07 am

Vingtor wrote:
Soviet Haaregrad wrote:
Because 1er Régiment de Parachutistes d'Infanterie de Marine are such pushovers. :roll:

When push comes to shove. Plus how many french collage girls do you read about killing Italians?


Roughly the same number as English collage girls doing it.
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Postby Barrasso » Sat Jul 09, 2011 12:07 am

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