Why abortion may not be murder....

[Katganistan]

Then YOU carry a product of rape.

I can't...?

Then what gives you the nerve to demand someone else do it?

[Reploid Productions]

MURDERER!

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[Katganistan]

If you are irresponsible go out and get pregnant...and then kill your fetus...it is murder...plain and simple..

I don't care how someone tries to differentiate a fetus from a human being, they are the same thing so if killing a human is murder then killing a fetus is murder. I like how people try to do all these word dances to try to make abortion not sound like murder, but it is.

Abortion = legal.
Murder = illegal
Abortion =/=murder.

You're the one with the "word dances".

[Katganistan]

Really?
With a population of over six BILLION humans, I think the species needs no help surviving.

We don't need to reproduce to ensure the survival of our species now?

Don't be obtuse.
We certainly do not need every single potential pregnancy carried to term. The species will NOT die out from the number of abortions that happen each year... and we know this because the world population keeps increasing.

[Volnotova]

Abortion = legal.
Murder = illegal
Abortion =/=murder.

You're the one with the "word dances".

The question is more.

What is murder, what is abortion.

And once you use common definitions: Is Abortion murder?

For example:

If we use the definition of murder as being "The unlawful killing of another human being"
And abortion is defined as legal, then abortion is not murder.

[Keronians]

I can't...?

Then what gives you the nerve to demand someone else do it?

It's not my fault my gender prevents me from carrying a pregnancy.

[Keronians]

I don't care how someone tries to differentiate a fetus from a human being, they are the same thing so if killing a human is murder then killing a fetus is murder. I like how people try to do all these word dances to try to make abortion not sound like murder, but it is.

Abortion = legal.
Murder = illegal
Abortion =/=murder.

You're the one with the "word dances".

It depends on where you are, Kat. In some places, abortion is still illegal, though I think it's called foeticide, and isn't a form of homicide.

[Katganistan]

Then what gives you the nerve to demand someone else do it?

It's not my fault my gender prevents me from carrying a pregnancy.

That is not an answer.
What gives YOU the right to demand someone else do ANYTHING against their will.

I need a kidney transplant. Give me yours.

[Keronians]

We don't need to reproduce to ensure the survival of our species now?

Don't be obtuse.
We certainly do not need every single potential pregnancy carried to term. The species will NOT die out from the number of abortions that happen each year... and we know this because the world population keeps increasing.

Yet as all species, we'll hit a stagnating phase, followed by a death phase. The stagnation is already happening in most of the first world.

[Keronians]

It's not my fault my gender prevents me from carrying a pregnancy.

That is not an answer.
What gives YOU the right to demand someone else do ANYTHING against their will.

I need a kidney transplant. Give me yours.

Spanish law says I'm too young to. Sorry. Though I am curious as to why a normal pregnancy is the same as having to give up an organ.

[Wiztopia]

If you are irresponsible go out and get pregnant...and then kill your fetus...it is murder...plain and simple..

I don't care how someone tries to differentiate a fetus from a human being, they are the same thing so if killing a human is murder then killing a fetus is murder. I like how people try to do all these word dances to try to make abortion not sound like murder, but it is.

How does it feel to be ignorant?

[Keronians]

I don't care how someone tries to differentiate a fetus from a human being, they are the same thing so if killing a human is murder then killing a fetus is murder. I like how people try to do all these word dances to try to make abortion not sound like murder, but it is.

How does it feel to be ignorant?

Not too good, that's why I do a lot of reading, to lessen my ignorance.

What about you? After all, we are all, in the end, ignorant.

[The Parkus Empire]

So if, it's: "Nothing personal. Strictly business." That's not murder?

If corporations are people, can they abort their child businesses?

I'm sure they use that word. But the question is, when does a business go from fetus to child?

[The Parkus Empire]

So if, it's: "Nothing personal. Strictly business." That's not murder?

Of course hitmen go out of their way to kill fetuses. In fact that's how all abortions are performed. A hitman shoots the woman in the stomach and removes the fetus with pliers.

How is that relevant to my point?

[Wiztopia]

Of course hitmen go out of their way to kill fetuses. In fact that's how all abortions are performed. A hitman shoots the woman in the stomach and removes the fetus with pliers.

How is that relevant to my point?

"Nothing personal. Strictly business." Hitmen and fetuses are not the same thing considering the Hitman's victim is already born.

[Katganistan]

That is not an answer.
What gives YOU the right to demand someone else do ANYTHING against their will.

I need a kidney transplant. Give me yours.

Spanish law says I'm too young to. Sorry. Though I am curious as to why a normal pregnancy is the same as having to give up an organ.

I need your kidney to survive. You MUST give it to me, or you're KILLING me.

[The Parkus Empire]

How is that relevant to my point?

"Nothing personal. Strictly business." Hitmen and fetuses are not the same thing considering the Hitman's victim is already born.

No shit, Sherlock. The OP isn't arguing from the point that a fetus isn't a person, though, she's making an argument purely concerned with malicious aforethought.

[Ryadn]

FETUSES ARE PEOPLE EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE BEHIND IN DEVELOPMENT IN COMPARISON

Nope, they are not people. They are fetuses. They are a fertilized egg. They even have tails (As a by-product of evolution). Fetuses do not even have brains.

*blink*

You may want to look over your terminology there.

[The Black Forrest]

Then what gives you the nerve to demand someone else do it?

It's not my fault my gender prevents me from carrying a pregnancy.

Then don't make demands.

[The Black Forrest]

Don't be obtuse.
We certainly do not need every single potential pregnancy carried to term. The species will NOT die out from the number of abortions that happen each year... and we know this because the world population keeps increasing.

Yet as all species, we'll hit a stagnating phase, followed by a death phase. The stagnation is already happening in most of the first world.

Ah no. People tend to change as generations go by.

People from large families don't always want large families themselves. People who were the only child; tend to want more then one child.

Baby booms are followed by a slow down. Then another baby boom happens.

Society is fine.

[Ryadn]

Abortion is murder, fetuses are not parasites, people who have intercourse before marriage that think a ziplock bag is enough contraception are the likely parasites, they mate and then wind up in government aid to raise the baby instead of getting careers.

Why are so many having sex outside marriage anyway?

...you know that you can have an unwanted and unintended pregnancy after marriage, right? I hope you haven't been using your wedding ring as birth control, because it doesn't work like that.

While I personally still find it weird that women who don't want to become pregnant don't just use a condom to fuck somebody. Granted, birth protection might fail, but I've heard plenty of stories of women just not bothering with it at all and then continue to whine about how they want to get an abortion because they apparently seemed to forget that sex sometimes causes pregnancy, which is especially annoying in a country where abortion clinics need to have government certificates to operate and therefore we actually have to pay taxes for them because some idiot decided to just fuck without any protection. I think that a woman should still retain the right to an abortion in the first trimester.

I didn't get vaccinated for Swine Flu, even though as an early elementary school teacher I'm at risk. I got Swine Flu. At what point should I have been refused medical care because I "might have been able to prevent it"?

Everyone who supports abortion wasn't aborted themselves.

I only exist because my mother had an abortion. She risked both her health and her safety--abortion was still illegal when she had one--to prevent bringing a child into the world that she could not care for.

Pithy sayings are easy; making a choice actually requires compassion and intelligence.

[The Soviet Technocracy]

If you are irresponsible go out and get pregnant...and then kill your fetus...it is murder...plain and simple..

So much for "libertarian".

If you are responsible and go and get preggers, you can has the babby sucked out of you if you want by the man in the scrubs with the vacuum.

As should be the case in any proper, free society.

[SaintB]

Get out of this thread, get out and hide.

Your either a troll or an idiot either way you chose the wrong place to be.

You really ought to know better by now. *** One-day ban for flaming. ***

Oh I do know better I have known better since before I even started posting on the forums here. I also am sick and tired of the same cruel bile that those kind of people call arguments. I wasn't going to sit back and let it slide in the mood I was in. I'm glad I got the one say ban when I did or else I may have been permabanned if I had more time to go after them.

[Wiztopia]

I would like to see somebody argue with a good argument that abortion is murder without trying arguing from religion and appeal to emotion.

[Strebedia]

Abortion is NOT murder. Why? IT is because abortions are LEGAL!!! However, murder is illegal.

So therefore, abortion is not murder.