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Australian police given power to ask Muslims to remove burka

Postby Sun Aut Ex » Tue Jul 05, 2011 12:44 pm

New South Wales police, actually.

This follows the case of a Muslim woman who lied about a police officer being racist and trying to rip off her tent, and then went to a police station and made a signed statement to the effect of that lie; she was found not guilty of making a false statement because the judge said the tent made it impossible to prove that she made the statement.

The NSW Government this week said it would draw up legislation allowing police to ask any person stopped during routine vehicle checks to remove burqas, niqabs or other head and face coverings at the roadside to verify their identities.

The move follows a Sydney judge's decision last week to quash a six-month jail sentence given to a burqa-wearing mother of seven, Carnita Matthews.

Mrs Matthews had been found guilty of falsely accusing Sen-Constable Paul Fogarty of forcibly trying to remove her burqa when she was pulled over while driving in June last year.

Anyone refusing to obey the law may face up to a year's jail under NSW legislation. Western Australia yesterday indicated it would adopt similar laws.

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national/pressur ... z1RGHnF2Fh


Best law Australia has ever passed. Cue liberal outrage.
Strykyh wrote:I wasn't trying to be intelligent.

Keronians wrote:
So you think it's ok to waste valuable police time and resources to pander to minority superstitions?

"All available officers, report downtown, armed suspected firing wildly into the public."
"I'll be about ten minutes, I have to go to ID a Muslim woman."


Yes.

Unless of course it's not OK for a woman to ask for a female to ask for a female officer to carry out body checks. In which case, the answer would be no.

"All available officers, report downtown, armed suspected firing wildly into the public."
"I'll be about then minutes, I have to go to carry out a body check on a woman."

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Postby Strykyh » Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:11 pm

The fuck? This law is retarded. 1 year jail sentence for not complying is a bit extreme. What does the world have against Muslims?

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Postby North Calaveras » Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:12 pm

Strykyh wrote:The fuck? This law is retarded. 1 year jail sentence for not complying is a bit extreme. What does the world have against Muslims?


What do Muslims have against the world?

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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:14 pm

A year seems a bit extreme... but otherwise its pretty important to be able to identify people who make accusations or who are pulled over, etc...
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Postby Sun Aut Ex » Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:14 pm

Strykyh wrote:The fuck? This law is retarded. 1 year jail sentence for not complying is a bit extreme. What does the world have against Muslims?


Should I start with the woman who tried to ruin a police officer's career by calling him racist, and would have gotten away with it if the truth hadn't been caught on the cop's car camera?
Strykyh wrote:I wasn't trying to be intelligent.

Keronians wrote:
So you think it's ok to waste valuable police time and resources to pander to minority superstitions?

"All available officers, report downtown, armed suspected firing wildly into the public."
"I'll be about ten minutes, I have to go to ID a Muslim woman."


Yes.

Unless of course it's not OK for a woman to ask for a female to ask for a female officer to carry out body checks. In which case, the answer would be no.

"All available officers, report downtown, armed suspected firing wildly into the public."
"I'll be about then minutes, I have to go to carry out a body check on a woman."

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Postby Strykyh » Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:16 pm

Most cops deserve it.

What are you? A Islamaphobe?
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Postby Sun Aut Ex » Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:17 pm

Strykyh wrote:Most cops deserve it.


That's an intelligent post.
Strykyh wrote:I wasn't trying to be intelligent.

Keronians wrote:
So you think it's ok to waste valuable police time and resources to pander to minority superstitions?

"All available officers, report downtown, armed suspected firing wildly into the public."
"I'll be about ten minutes, I have to go to ID a Muslim woman."


Yes.

Unless of course it's not OK for a woman to ask for a female to ask for a female officer to carry out body checks. In which case, the answer would be no.

"All available officers, report downtown, armed suspected firing wildly into the public."
"I'll be about then minutes, I have to go to carry out a body check on a woman."

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Postby Strykyh » Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:18 pm

I wasn't trying to be intelligent.
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Postby Sun Aut Ex » Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:20 pm

Strykyh wrote:I wasn't trying to be intelligent.


I'm sigging that.
Strykyh wrote:I wasn't trying to be intelligent.

Keronians wrote:
So you think it's ok to waste valuable police time and resources to pander to minority superstitions?

"All available officers, report downtown, armed suspected firing wildly into the public."
"I'll be about ten minutes, I have to go to ID a Muslim woman."


Yes.

Unless of course it's not OK for a woman to ask for a female to ask for a female officer to carry out body checks. In which case, the answer would be no.

"All available officers, report downtown, armed suspected firing wildly into the public."
"I'll be about then minutes, I have to go to carry out a body check on a woman."

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Postby Neo Bretonnia » Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:21 pm

The legal system we live by relies on absolute certainty on who is who. If removing a veil is the only way in which an officer can positively identify someone then it's the only way.

And a 1 year sentence isn't extreme when you consider that to be the absolute maximum... If anybody gets convicted of this there's no way they're doing a year. Maybe repeat offenders...
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Postby The Halbetan Union » Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:23 pm

Sun Aut Ex wrote:New South Wales police, actually.

This follows the case of a Muslim woman who lied about a police officer being racist and trying to rip off her tent, and then went to a police station and made a signed statement to the effect of that lie; she was found not guilty of making a false statement because the judge said the tent made it impossible to prove that she made the statement.


Could we be more deliberately offensive? Maybe we could insinuate that being a woman implies she lies a lot?
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Postby Sun Aut Ex » Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:25 pm

The Halbetan Union wrote:Could we be more deliberately offensive? Maybe we could insinuate that being a woman implies she lies a lot?


Now this an interesting new demand from the Muslims: the right to not have their clothing offended.
Strykyh wrote:I wasn't trying to be intelligent.

Keronians wrote:
So you think it's ok to waste valuable police time and resources to pander to minority superstitions?

"All available officers, report downtown, armed suspected firing wildly into the public."
"I'll be about ten minutes, I have to go to ID a Muslim woman."


Yes.

Unless of course it's not OK for a woman to ask for a female to ask for a female officer to carry out body checks. In which case, the answer would be no.

"All available officers, report downtown, armed suspected firing wildly into the public."
"I'll be about then minutes, I have to go to carry out a body check on a woman."

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Postby Darenjo » Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:27 pm

This is stupid. Couldn't you ask for a driver's license or ID card instead?
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Postby Sun Aut Ex » Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:28 pm

Darenjo wrote:This is stupid. Couldn't you ask for a driver's license or ID card instead?


... And compare it to what, exactly?
Strykyh wrote:I wasn't trying to be intelligent.

Keronians wrote:
So you think it's ok to waste valuable police time and resources to pander to minority superstitions?

"All available officers, report downtown, armed suspected firing wildly into the public."
"I'll be about ten minutes, I have to go to ID a Muslim woman."


Yes.

Unless of course it's not OK for a woman to ask for a female to ask for a female officer to carry out body checks. In which case, the answer would be no.

"All available officers, report downtown, armed suspected firing wildly into the public."
"I'll be about then minutes, I have to go to carry out a body check on a woman."

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Postby Fartsniffage » Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:29 pm

Darenjo wrote:This is stupid. Couldn't you ask for a driver's license or ID card instead?


How do you know it's the drivers ID?

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Postby Darenjo » Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:31 pm

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Darenjo wrote:This is stupid. Couldn't you ask for a driver's license or ID card instead?


How do you know it's the drivers ID?


Ask for fingerprints then. Women in burqas are allowed to show their hands.
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Postby Sun Aut Ex » Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:32 pm

Darenjo wrote:Ask for fingerprints then. Women in burqas are allowed to show their hands.


And compare those fingerprints to what, exactly?

And what, do you think the police carry fingerprint kits around with them?
Strykyh wrote:I wasn't trying to be intelligent.

Keronians wrote:
So you think it's ok to waste valuable police time and resources to pander to minority superstitions?

"All available officers, report downtown, armed suspected firing wildly into the public."
"I'll be about ten minutes, I have to go to ID a Muslim woman."


Yes.

Unless of course it's not OK for a woman to ask for a female to ask for a female officer to carry out body checks. In which case, the answer would be no.

"All available officers, report downtown, armed suspected firing wildly into the public."
"I'll be about then minutes, I have to go to carry out a body check on a woman."

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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:32 pm

Lackadaisical2 wrote:A year seems a bit extreme... but otherwise its pretty important to be able to identify people who make accusations or who are pulled over, etc...

Pretty much. I'm a little surprised that the NSW police can't require people to identify themselves as it is.
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Postby Sun Aut Ex » Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:33 pm

Ifreann wrote:Pretty much. I'm a little surprised that the NSW police can't require people to identify themselves as it is.


It's a important loophole to close; without it, it's basically impossible to prosecute any crime because you can't prove who did it.
Strykyh wrote:I wasn't trying to be intelligent.

Keronians wrote:
So you think it's ok to waste valuable police time and resources to pander to minority superstitions?

"All available officers, report downtown, armed suspected firing wildly into the public."
"I'll be about ten minutes, I have to go to ID a Muslim woman."


Yes.

Unless of course it's not OK for a woman to ask for a female to ask for a female officer to carry out body checks. In which case, the answer would be no.

"All available officers, report downtown, armed suspected firing wildly into the public."
"I'll be about then minutes, I have to go to carry out a body check on a woman."

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Postby Darenjo » Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:34 pm

Sun Aut Ex wrote:
Darenjo wrote:Ask for fingerprints then. Women in burqas are allowed to show their hands.


And compare those fingerprints to what, exactly?

And what, do you think the police carry fingerprint kits around with them?


Good point...

I guess for law enforcement, it's okay to ask them to show their face.
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Postby Island Protectorates » Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:36 pm

The burka isn't even essential to Islam. It's just cultural attire; the defence of its use is rather idiotic in my opinion.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:36 pm

Sun Aut Ex wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Pretty much. I'm a little surprised that the NSW police can't require people to identify themselves as it is.


It's a important loophole to close; without it, it's basically impossible to prosecute any crime because you can't prove who did it.


A simple national DNA database could solve this problem.

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Postby Sun Aut Ex » Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:37 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:A simple national DNA database could solve this problem.


I strongly disagree with that.
Strykyh wrote:I wasn't trying to be intelligent.

Keronians wrote:
So you think it's ok to waste valuable police time and resources to pander to minority superstitions?

"All available officers, report downtown, armed suspected firing wildly into the public."
"I'll be about ten minutes, I have to go to ID a Muslim woman."


Yes.

Unless of course it's not OK for a woman to ask for a female to ask for a female officer to carry out body checks. In which case, the answer would be no.

"All available officers, report downtown, armed suspected firing wildly into the public."
"I'll be about then minutes, I have to go to carry out a body check on a woman."

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Postby Island Protectorates » Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:38 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Sun Aut Ex wrote:
It's a important loophole to close; without it, it's basically impossible to prosecute any crime because you can't prove who did it.


A simple national DNA database could solve this problem.

That's stupid, inefficient, against the right to privacy for people, and moreover, unnecessary.
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