Gun Rights

[Der Teutoniker]

You... patrol?

I know, only crazily insane, mentally ill people would want to protect their neighborhood! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

[Alyakia]

Fishing Spear: Weapon used to kill fish. Cannot be used for any other purpose.

Really? You either don't know what a fishing spear is, or your are intentionally lying.

Have you never seen a fishing spear? You could fuck someone up with one of those mama jama's.

True. Alright, I'll upgrade it to weapon used to kill, which still falls in the same category. Uh... Good job?

[Alyakia]

Under what authority do you patrol?

It is public property i do not need anyone permission to walk around.

Do you do this alone or?

It's always good to have citizens take an active interest in the saftey of the community, but... Uh...

[Der Teutoniker]

If he's actually part of an organized group that patrols based on a legitimate authority, good for him. But it's really hard not to interpret everything as a childs power fantasy playing cowboy, even if the person in question is probably 3-4x my age.

Legitimate authority? The individual is the first unit of legitimate authority. Anyone seeking to defend the innocent, and uphold justice similarly has legitimate authority - regardless of whether the State agrees. In fact, if the State disagreed with his action in this regard, then the State would become illegitimate.

But your judgement of him is cool too. I hate everyone who isn't exactly like me, especially those people who don't have total disregard for the safety of their neighborhood.

[Der Teutoniker]

It's always good to have citizens take an active interest in the saftey of the community, but... Uh...

How could there ever be a "but" at the end of this sentence?

[Alyakia]

If he's actually part of an organized group that patrols based on a legitimate authority, good for him. But it's really hard not to interpret everything as a childs power fantasy playing cowboy, even if the person in question is probably 3-4x my age.

Legitimate authority? The individual is the first unit of legitimate authority. Anyone seeking to defend the innocent, and uphold justice similarly has legitimate authority - regardless of whether the State agrees. In fact, if the State disagreed with his action in this regard, then the State would become illegitimate.

But your judgement of him is cool too. I hate everyone who isn't exactly like me, especially those people who don't have total disregard for the safety of their neighborhood.

Untrained people wandering the streets looking for crime with no actualy authority to stop crime that isn't murder or rape doesn't lead to very good places.

Oh yes, I hate him, I totally do, despite the fact I said that it's always good to have citizens take an active interest in the saftey of the community and said he's an older/wiser figure as far as I know. I literally hate him. Hate him for his guns. Die gun owners. Die.

[Seperates]

No I do not wear a cape when I patrol my neighborhood.

I like how all of these anti-gun people are talking about how gun ownership installs fear, and paranoia, and say things like "society is not an arms race" and advocate reduced crime, and then laugh at your for your clearly community-mindedness, and desire to protect the innocent. I say, fuck all those gun owners that don't want innocent people to suffer crime. After all, when you think about it, innocent people are most deserving of being on the receiving end of criminal violence.

I applaud that you take personal time out of any other activities that you may enjoy to help ensure the safety of your community. Good on you man.

The chances of him catching someone in the act of a robbery and NEEDING a gun is around the same chance of him accidentally interupting a couple whose fetish is breaking glass and yelling "RAPE!".

Both are highly unlikely. It's not that I'm not advocating community protectiong. Keep an eye on your neighbors houses when they are out, watch who goes in and out of your block. But you have no need to go and "patrol" in your neighborhood. This isn't the Wild West or the army. If you are that concerened about security... move into a gated community.

[Alyakia]

It's always good to have citizens take an active interest in the saftey of the community, but... Uh...

How could there ever be a "but" at the end of this sentence?

Surely you agree geting the backing of the authorities, or at least not being alone, is prefferable?

[Greed and Death]

It is public property i do not need anyone permission to walk around.

Do you do this alone or?

It's always good to have citizens take an active interest in the saftey of the community, but... Uh...

If you feel uncomfortable please put a sign of in front of your door, please do not save me from rape and murder.

[Alyakia]

Do you do this alone or?

It's always good to have citizens take an active interest in the saftey of the community, but... Uh...

If you feel uncomfortable please put a sign of in front of your door, please do not save me from rape and murder.

Do you do this alone or?

[Seperates]

You... patrol?

I know, only crazily insane, mentally ill people would want to protect their neighborhood! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

I'm not the one wandering around with a gun in my pocket. If he's part of the neighborhood watch, fine, a little over-zealous, but fine. Other wise you are just another guy with an unneeded gun.

[Santhene]

The right to gun ownership is an archaic law invented in different times. Some might argue that if you have a gun, you can protect yourself from criminals. But who is a criminal? Are you a court of law? When did you get the right to determine the worth of the life of your attacker? Sure, they might steal your purse and get away with it, but the police will most likely catch them. Or, they steal your purse, and you end their whole life. Do not mistake the actions of criminals as actions done out of choice or fun, criminals are borne from unemployment and low social-economic backgrounds, or lack of education. Instead of demanding the right to end lives of fellow humans, maybe you should demand educational reform.

If they enter my domain without a lawful reason to be there- and/or a valid warrant- they're criminals. *EDIT: "hot pursuit" is a valid and lawful reason to enter someone's domain.

I love how you attempt to use one circumstance to justify outlawing guns- a purse snatcher. Well, let's see- you've excluded rape, assault, armed robbery, and a myriad of other crimes. There are times when lethal force is definitely acceptable. If someone steals a purse, they probably don't need to be shot. If someone tries to rape the woman, they deserve a painful death.

You also try to claim that criminals come from the disadvantaged statuses you mentioned. Except- plenty of criminals are quite bourgeois, or are stealing not because they're poor, but because they are addicted to a substance. I'm sure you'll say they became addicted to temporarily escape their poor existence, but that doesn't hold water, as there are plenty of poor people who do not resort to drugs.

Yes, a very small percentage of criminals had noble intentions, but they are a tiny minority. Don't use an exception to a rule to justify an argument- you end up looking uneducated.

Oh, I'm sorry. Are you a court of law? I didn't realize that. Clearly to you, rape is punishable by a "painful" death. So, not just death, but PAINFUL death. Why is pain necessary? Is it not enough to simply extinguish their entire life, but you must now do it in a fashion that makes their last moments horrible. Good for you. I'm not saying rape is not significant - it is very significant and a horrible thing. But the rape you refer to is hardly punishable by painful death.

Most criminals - those that steal your purse, or break into your house - are doing it because they're unemployed, poor, and usually lack proper educations. They know what the consequences are, they know fully, but they don't see themselves as having choices. We need to help these people, stop the crimes from ever occurring, instead of killing people.

[Augustus Este]

Silenced, automatic and semi-automatic weapons should be illegal. They serve no purpose but to kill people.

Rifles, most handguns, shotguns ect. should be legal as they have legitimate hunting and self defense purposes(but handguns ,and other weapons for self defense, should be phased out and replaced with non-lethal or less lethal alternatives)

edit:

Concealed handguns should be banned or severely restricted, and extensive safety instruction/testing should be required for gun ownership, along with safeguards against the mentally ill accessing guns.

[The Parkus Empire]

I know, only crazily insane, mentally ill people would want to protect their neighborhood! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

I'm not the one wandering around with a gun in my pocket. If he's part of the neighborhood watch, fine, a little over-zealous, but fine. Other wise you are just another guy with an unneeded gun.

Why should people need a government stamp of approval to protect their community, provided no laws are being broken?

[Alyakia]

I'm not the one wandering around with a gun in my pocket. If he's part of the neighborhood watch, fine, a little over-zealous, but fine. Other wise you are just another guy with an unneeded gun.

Why should people need a government stamp of approval to protect their community, provided no laws are being broken?

How would you stop a group of vandals? Alone? Would you point your gun at them? What if they didn't clear off? What if they attacked? Did you not provoke the situation? Can you shoot them? Arrest them? What if you go too far?

Things would be so much easier with that "stamp".

[Hossaim]

Total total ban on guns, if the person attacking you doesn't have a gun you don't need one either.

[Alyakia]

Total total ban on guns, if the person attacking you doesn't have a gun you don't need one either.

but then only the outlaws will have guns and you won't stand a chance!!!

(total is p. stupid though.)

[Hossaim]

Total total ban on guns, if the person attacking you doesn't have a gun you don't need one either.

but then only the outlaws will have guns and you won't stand a chance!!!

TOTAL ban on guns. Get rid of every single gun, so outlaws won't be able to get them either, and death sentence for having a gun. that will set people straight.

[Greed and Death]

Why should people need a government stamp of approval to protect their community, provided no laws are being broken?

How would you stop a group of vandals? Alone? Would you point your gun at them? What if they didn't clear off? What if they attacked? Did you not provoke the situation? Can you shoot them? Arrest them? What if you go too far?

Things would be so much easier with that "stamp".

Tell them to stop, call the cops in front of them. If they threaten me, use appropriate force since it is a group of them i would say lethal.

[The Parkus Empire]

Why should people need a government stamp of approval to protect their community, provided no laws are being broken?

How would you stop a group of vandals? Alone? Would you point your gun at them? What if they didn't clear off? What if they attacked? Did you not provoke the situation? Can you shoot them? Arrest them? What if you go too far?

Things would be so much easier.

You should only shoot people if you have a reasonable suspicion that they are an imminent danger to yourself or others.

In my experience, vandals will clear off if you just approach them, there's no need to draw a gun in that situation.

[Alyakia]

but then only the outlaws will have guns and you won't stand a chance!!!

TOTAL ban on guns. Get rid of every single gun, so outlaws won't be able to get them either, and death sentence for having a gun. that will set people straight.

Wil we execute them via firing squad? That would be ironic. Will the police have guns? Military?

What about execution via fishing squad? Fishing rods are pretty dangerous.

[Alyakia]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_Com ... rt_Officer

What do you guys think of this? :v

[The Parkus Empire]

but then only the outlaws will have guns and you won't stand a chance!!!

TOTAL ban on guns. Get rid of every single gun, so outlaws won't be able to get them either, and death sentence for having a gun. that will set people straight.

Outlaws who carry guns tend to already live a life at considerable risk of being terminated, so I doubt that would deter them.

[Hossaim]

TOTAL ban on guns. Get rid of every single gun, so outlaws won't be able to get them either, and death sentence for having a gun. that will set people straight.

Wil we execute them via firing squad? That would be ironic. Will the police have guns? Military?

What about execution via fishing squad? Fishing rods are pretty dangerous.

Military get guns but they are taken upon them leaving the warzone, police yes but their guns are under radar tracking so we know it's only the police with them.

[Greater Cabinda]

TOTAL ban on guns. Get rid of every single gun, so outlaws won't be able to get them either, and death sentence for having a gun. that will set people straight.

Outlaws who carry guns tend to already live a life at considerable risk of being terminated, so I doubt that would deter them.

If anything, it would encourage them to "go out with a bang" so to speak.