Gun Rights

[The Left-Libertarian Hippies]

No, registration protects the 2nd ammendment...
Anything can be a weapon, a gun is more dangerous, so it should be licensed....duh...

Requiring registration of a gun defeats the very purpose of the 2nd amendment to ensure the security of a free people. How can people secure themselves if in the first move to tyranny the government can seize all the weapons because they know who owns them?

[Gun Manufacturers]

Requiring registration of a gun defeats the very purpose of the 2nd amendment to ensure the security of a free people. How can people secure themselves if in the first move to tyranny the government can seize all the weapons because they know who owns them?

You have the right to bear arms. You do not have the right to bear arms without being trained and qualified.

Where does that say that in the Second Amendment? Last I checked, it says nothing about the ability to get a Rifleman score on the AQT.

[Impaleen]

I am strongly against gun control. Why?

Here's some history for you:

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, 13 million Jews and others, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.


If we ban guns, criminals will find a way to get them, and the law-abiding citizens will be helpless. We would be completely reliant on our government to be protected, which kind of scares me.

And here's proof that guns don't necessarily mean death (scroll to the bottom for the section on gun crime):http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland

[GeneralHaNor]

Believe it or not, Georgia.

They don't spell it out in law, but through a combination of overlapping laws the effect is the same
For example, in order to park a car on my property, I have to register it. If I don't, they take the car, as I don't "legally" own it.
In order to "register" my vehicle, I have to pay my Ad Valorum tax, Road Tax, Sale Tax.
In order to pay these taxes and register my vehicle, I must present proof of insurance on that vehicle
In order to Get insurance, I must be Licensed to drive.

Quid, Pro, Quo. You must be Licensed to drive in order to "legally" own a car.

Georgia Code § 40-2-8 (2011)
says

(a) Any person owning or operating any vehicle described in Code Section 40-2-20 on any public highway or street without complying with that Code section shall be guilty of a misdemeanor, provided that a person shall register his or her motor vehicle within 30 days after becoming a resident of this state. Any person renting, leasing, or loaning any vehicle described in Code Section 40-2-20 which is being used on any public highway or street without complying with that Code section shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction thereof, shall be punished by a fine of $100.00 for each violation; and each day that such vehicle is operated in violation of Code Section 40-2-20 shall be deemed to be a separate and distinct offense.
(b) (For effective date, see note.) (1) Any vehicle operated in the State of Georgia which is required to be registered and which does not have attached to the rear thereof a numbered license plate and current revalidation decal affixed to a corner or corners of the license plate as designated by the commissioner, if required, shall be stored at the owner's risk and expense by any law enforcement officer of the State of Georgia, unless such operation is otherwise permitted by this chapter.

(emphasis added)
You car has to be owned or operated on a public street for the penalties for no registration to apply. Also the penalty is 100 dollars not forfeiture of the vehicle. They can store you vehicle at your expenses, until you register it but that's discretionary.

They tend to be very liberal with the law here, they consider your driveway the street, and they very often (for anyone who dares to test the law) "store" the vehicle, at your "Expense" which often means they charge you exorbitant fees, wait 30 days and auction it.

Private Collections strored in Gargages and never driven are about the only practical exemption.

[Trixiestan]

I am strongly against gun control. Why?

Here's some history for you:

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, 13 million Jews and others, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.


If we ban guns, criminals will find a way to get them, and the law-abiding citizens will be helpless. We would be completely reliant on our government to be protected, which kind of scares me.

And here's proof that guns don't necessarily mean death (scroll to the bottom for the section on gun crime):http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland

I also blame numerous genocides (including the Holocaust) on the fact that people didn't have the right to walk around with a firearm in their boxer shorts.

[Alyakia]

Rwandas guns saved them. It is only a matter of time before the vile Japanese begin thier extermination of their unarmed populace.

As usual, bringing up Switzerland only serves to belittle American culture.

[GeneralHaNor]

I am strongly against gun control. Why?

Here's some history for you:

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, 13 million Jews and others, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.


If we ban guns, criminals will find a way to get them, and the law-abiding citizens will be helpless. We would be completely reliant on our government to be protected, which kind of scares me.

And here's proof that guns don't necessarily mean death (scroll to the bottom for the section on gun crime):http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland

I also blame numerous genocides (including the Holocaust) on the fact that people didn't have the right to walk around with a firearm in their boxer shorts.

If every Jew had a Pistol, and every Pistol had 9 Rounds, and 6 Million Jews, Fired all their guns at once
How many Krouts would they kill?

[Trixiestan]

I also blame numerous genocides (including the Holocaust) on the fact that people didn't have the right to walk around with a firearm in their boxer shorts.

If every Jew had a Pistol, and every Pistol had 9 Rounds, and 6 Million Jews, Fired all their guns at once
How many Krouts would they kill?

Depends on how many of the numerous more Germans didn't shoot them first. Either way, the Jews would be buggered.

[Alyakia]

I also blame numerous genocides (including the Holocaust) on the fact that people didn't have the right to walk around with a firearm in their boxer shorts.

If every Jew had a Pistol, and every Pistol had 9 Rounds, and 6 Million Jews, Fired all their guns at once
How many Krouts would they kill?

You assume that all Jews would have had weapons, wanted weapons, would have been prepared to fire their weapons and would have had time to fire their weapons, and that they would do it in an organised fashion. All very big ifs to the point of being completely unrealistic.

pop quiz: which party first instituted gun control in china

[New Freedomstan]

If every Jew had a Pistol, and every Pistol had 9 Rounds, and 6 Million Jews, Fired all their guns at once
How many Krouts would they kill?

You assume that all Jews would have had weapons, wanted weapons, would have been prepared to fire their weapons and would have had time to fire their weapons, and that they would do it in an organised fashion. All very big ifs to the point of being completely unrealistic.

pop quiz: which party first instituted gun control in china

Not to mention, would have gotten their hands on decent weapons. And also would have gotten hands on tanks, bombers, fighters, etc... And would have gotten enough warning to organise armed forces, with chains of commands etc.
It's not just "point-and-shoot with what hunting rifles we got" to defeat an army.

[Sociobiology]

so a weapon is merely something designed for the purpose of killing a living thing.
Ok so scythes, fishing spears, bug spray, and a fish-hook are all weapons. But a chainsaw, a tonfa, a tazer, and a bottle of nitroglycerin are not weapons. Does that not seem slightly ridiculous and arbitrary to you?

It's not arbitrary.

Bug Spray: Weapon used to kill bugs. Cannot be used for any other purpose.
Fish Hooks: Weapon used to capture fish. Cannot be used for any other purpose.
Taser: Weapon used to incapicitate dangerous inidividuals. Cannot be used for any other purpose.
Fishing Spear: Weapon used to kill fish. Cannot be used for any other purpose.

Scythes: Tool that can be used as a weapon. (Farming.)
Chainsaw: Tool that can be used as a weapon. (Tree Cutting.)

Tonfa: Uh... Weapon I guess? Had to look it up. What other uses do they have?
Bottle of Nitroglycerin: Eh. You can use Nitroglycerin for mining and medical purposes. A bottle of it could be a weapon. I'd rather not classify this one at all.
Weed Whacker: Now that's an interesting one. Do you count grass as a living thing? Is cutting grass the same as killing a human or a deer? It could be considered a weapon if you pushed it to the absolute extreme broad definition. A weapon against grass that is considered a tool because grass is not given value.

It's mainly about whether something is only a weapon.

the tonfa was originally a crank handle for drawing well water (you protected your well by taking the crank with you) and was used to fight and kill along with a lot of other farming implements when traditional weapons were outlawed in japan.
what is the difference in value between a plant and a fly?
also of course grass is a living thing unless you are using some crazy definition for "living".

[Alyakia]

It's not arbitrary.

Bug Spray: Weapon used to kill bugs. Cannot be used for any other purpose.
Fish Hooks: Weapon used to capture fish. Cannot be used for any other purpose.
Taser: Weapon used to incapicitate dangerous inidividuals. Cannot be used for any other purpose.
Fishing Spear: Weapon used to kill fish. Cannot be used for any other purpose.

Scythes: Tool that can be used as a weapon. (Farming.)
Chainsaw: Tool that can be used as a weapon. (Tree Cutting.)

Tonfa: Uh... Weapon I guess? Had to look it up. What other uses do they have?
Bottle of Nitroglycerin: Eh. You can use Nitroglycerin for mining and medical purposes. A bottle of it could be a weapon. I'd rather not classify this one at all.
Weed Whacker: Now that's an interesting one. Do you count grass as a living thing? Is cutting grass the same as killing a human or a deer? It could be considered a weapon if you pushed it to the absolute extreme broad definition. A weapon against grass that is considered a tool because grass is not given value.

It's mainly about whether something is only a weapon.

the tonfa was originally a crack handle for drawing well water (you protected your well by taking the crank with you) and was used to fight and kill along with a lot of other farming implements when traditional weapons were outlawed in japan.
what is the difference in value between a plant and a fly?
also of course grass is a living thing unless you are using some crazy definition for "living".

Oh, that's smart I guess. You're screwed if you break it hitting someone though. Tool that can be used as a weapon then.

[Alyakia]

In most peoples minds there's probably be a huge difference between a plant and a fly.

[Sociobiology]

In most peoples minds there's probably be a huge difference between a plant and a fly.

you would need to prove that statement, because that is not my experience
also
why is a tool for killing wheat, different from a tool for killing insects, different from a tool for killing deer.
this was not created to kill people this was created to kill deer
http://www.score-your-hunting.com/images/DeerRifles.jpg

[Alyakia]

In most peoples minds there's probably be a huge difference between a plant and a fly.

you would need to prove that statement, because that is not my experience
also
why is a tool for killing wheat, different from a tool for killing insects, different from a tool for killing deer.
this was not created to kill people this was created to kill deer
http://www.score-your-hunting.com/images/DeerRifles.jpg

Wheat is not conscious. That's a pretty big thing.

You really need proof that people value animals/insects over plants?

[Greed and Death]

you would need to prove that statement, because that is not my experience
also
why is a tool for killing wheat, different from a tool for killing insects, different from a tool for killing deer.
this was not created to kill people this was created to kill deer
http://www.score-your-hunting.com/images/DeerRifles.jpg

Wheat is not conscious. That's a pretty big thing.

You really need proof that people value animals/insects over plants?

Who is people, a source of food is a source of food.
the difference between wheat and animals is negligible to us.

[New Freedomstan]

In most peoples minds there's probably be a huge difference between a plant and a fly.

you would need to prove that statement, because that is not my experience
also
why is a tool for killing wheat, different from a tool for killing insects, different from a tool for killing deer.
this was not created to kill people this was created to kill deer
http://www.score-your-hunting.com/images/DeerRifles.jpg

Mate, a tool made to kill deer can quite easily kill a human. And, to most people, animals are worth more than insects.

[Sociobiology]

you would need to prove that statement, because that is not my experience
also
why is a tool for killing wheat, different from a tool for killing insects, different from a tool for killing deer.
this was not created to kill people this was created to kill deer
http://www.score-your-hunting.com/images/DeerRifles.jpg

Mate, a tool made to kill deer can quite easily kill a human. And, to most people, animals are worth more than insects.

one insects are animals
two everything I listed can easily be used to kill humans.
three dynamite can easily be used to kill humans yet he argues that it is better than a gun.

[Sociobiology]

you would need to prove that statement, because that is not my experience
also
why is a tool for killing wheat, different from a tool for killing insects, different from a tool for killing deer.
this was not created to kill people this was created to kill deer
http://www.score-your-hunting.com/images/DeerRifles.jpg

Wheat is not conscious. That's a pretty big thing.

You really need proof that people value animals/insects over plants?

that a clam or a fly or a tapeworm is worth more than a tree or a wheat plant, yes I need some evidence most people actually think that. swat a fly vs. cut down a redwood why is the first more moral?

[Alyakia]

Wheat is not conscious. That's a pretty big thing.

You really need proof that people value animals/insects over plants?

that a clam or a fly or a tapeworm is worth more than a tree or a wheat plant, yes I need some evidence most people actually think that. swat a fly vs. cut down a redwood why is the first more moral?

If you're really that interested in gathering evidence, go make a poll. Using a fly and wheat.

[Trixiestan]

Wheat is not conscious. That's a pretty big thing.

You really need proof that people value animals/insects over plants?

that a clam or a fly or a tapeworm is worth more than a tree or a wheat plant, yes I need some evidence most people actually think that. swat a fly vs. cut down a redwood why is the first more moral?

Because the latter doesn't feel pain or struggle in agony as it tries to push its smooshed body from the newspaper, its broken wings slowly beating less and less as it tries to save itself from the inevitable.

The difference between killing a deer and killing wheat? You accidentally only damage the wheat, shit happens. Accidently only damage the deer? You have an animal crying out in pain, trying desperately to limp away from you as you move in the for kill.

Bit of a difference there~

[Sociobiology]

that a clam or a fly or a tapeworm is worth more than a tree or a wheat plant, yes I need some evidence most people actually think that. swat a fly vs. cut down a redwood why is the first more moral?

If you're really that interested in gathering evidence, go make a poll. Using a fly and wheat.

if you are arguing this, you should have evidence.
I don't see a difference because none of these are conscious or sapient.
I really do wonder what we are arguing at this point, what is the purpose for this definition for weapon, it certainly is not for common use.

[Alyakia]

If you're really that interested in gathering evidence, go make a poll. Using a fly and wheat.

if you are arguing this, you should have evidence.
I don't see a difference because none of these are conscious or sapient.
I really do wonder what we are arguing at this point, what is the purpose for this definition for weapon, it certainly is not for common use.

No really, go make a poll.

Flys and deer are conscious.

So do I.

[Sociobiology]

that a clam or a fly or a tapeworm is worth more than a tree or a wheat plant, yes I need some evidence most people actually think that. swat a fly vs. cut down a redwood why is the first more moral?

Because the latter doesn't feel pain or struggle in agony as it tries to push its smooshed body from the newspaper, its broken wings slowly beating less and less as it tries to save itself from the inevitable.

The difference between killing a deer and killing wheat? You accidentally only damage the wheat, shit happens. Accidently only damage the deer? You have an animal crying out in pain, trying desperately to limp away from you as you move in the for kill.

Bit of a difference there~

to you, I am A biologist I know a fly and a tree experience the same amount of suffering, that the trauma of harvesting wheat is comparable to boiling a clam. if by his moral logic human=deer=fly why is fly=redwood invalid, because you can see the suffering of the fly? well by that logic murdering hundreds of people by bomber is more moral than shooting one deer from close range.

[Sociobiology]

if you are arguing this, you should have evidence.
I don't see a difference because none of these are conscious or sapient.
I really do wonder what we are arguing at this point, what is the purpose for this definition for weapon, it certainly is not for common use.

No really, go make a poll.

Flys and deer are conscious.

So do I.

flys are not conscious if you have proof otherwise publish a paper you will probably win an award.
fly are not self aware, they react to damage in similar fashion to plants.