Gun Rights

[Alyakia]

The French revolution followed, that doesn't have anything to do with French support for the American revolution.

5 rebellions against the British empire that ended in independence between 1783-1918. Please.

You didn't specify insurrections against the British, and five is a pretty damn good number.

We were talking about a revolution against the British, then I mentioned that between one major revolutuion against the British and another major revoltuion against the British no othet that I knew of had succeeded. Thought it would have been pretty obvious. ):

That was more of a request than a statement. I did a quick Wikipedia browse and found 1 Sultan deposed and Afghanistan, which I guess might count. So that's 1 I guess. Maybe Turkey.

[The Parkus Empire]

You didn't specify insurrections against the British, and five is a pretty damn good number.

We were talking about a revolution against the British, then I mentioned that between one major revolutuion against the British and another major revoltuion against the British no othet that I knew of had succeeded. Thought it would have been pretty obvious. ):

That was more of a request than a statement. I did a quick Wikipedia browse and found 1 Sultan deposed and Afghanistan, which I guess might count. So that's 1 I guess. Maybe Turkey.

That would make a successful insurrection every 25 years against the greatest empire of all time.... That's not a reasonable request, nor do I see the point of it.

[Alyakia]

We were talking about a revolution against the British, then I mentioned that between one major revolutuion against the British and another major revoltuion against the British no othet that I knew of had succeeded. Thought it would have been pretty obvious. ):

That was more of a request than a statement. I did a quick Wikipedia browse and found 1 Sultan deposed and Afghanistan, which I guess might count. So that's 1 I guess. Maybe Turkey.

That would make a successful insurrection every 25 years against the greatest empire of all time.... That's not a reasonable request, nor do I see the point of it.

Hmm... True... Well, 1, 2, any.

[The Parkus Empire]

That would make a successful insurrection every 25 years against the greatest empire of all time.... That's not a reasonable request, nor do I see the point of it.

Hmm... True... Well, 1, 2, any.

Didn't you just do that yourself?

[Alyakia]

Hmm... True... Well, 1, 2, any.

Didn't you just do that yourself?

Sort of. But maybe I missed something~

[Gun Manufacturers]

We at least have conceal carry, I hope for open carry. You need a gun for defense. And if a madman with a gun tries to shoot up a grocery store, as long a there are adults they can stop it with guns! And if you ban guns, only criminals will have guns.

A man tries to rob a gorcery store. You reach for your gun. He kills you.

Because all grocery stores are one aisle, where you can see EVERYONE in the store from ANY point in the store.

[Alyakia]

A man tries to rob a gorcery store. You reach for your gun. He kills you.

Because all grocery stores are one aisle, where you can see EVERYONE in the store from ANY point in the store.

I would hide between the various aisles, like a ninja.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

guns don't have any noticeable effect on crime so i'm not sure what you're being a blubbering vagina about

unless you don't think that people should be able to own anything that could be used as a weapon but that's just ridiculous

*** Warned for flaming ***

[Sociobiology]

That's how I defend my home,
Now if only I can get it to stop killing my family and pets.

this is amazing

Why? What possible reason could you have for not requiring people to be trained and qualified before getting guns?

You generally need a firearm to be trained to use it, because not all firearms work the same.

yes of course we all know you can't get a drivers licence because you need a car to learn to drive one.

[Alyakia]

this is amazing



You generally need a firearm to be trained to use it, because not all firearms work the same.

yes of course we all know you can't get a drivers licence because you need a car to learn to drive one.

Use the Driving Instructors car?

[Sociobiology]

I difference you have yet to define, or argue.

What?

you have yet to define the difference between a tool used to kill animals (a gun) and another tool used to kill animals, such as a lobster trap, a bow and arrow, or a fishing rod.
you can use any of them as a weapon.
can you give a definition of weapon that other things called weapons such axes, knives, baseball bats that have many uses, would still fall under.

[Alyakia]

What?

you have yet to define the difference between a tool used to kill animals (a gun) and another tool used to kill animals, such as a lobster trap, a bow and arrow, or a fishing rod.
you can use any of them as a weapon.
other things called weapons such axes, knives, baseball bats are all considered weapons but would hardly fall under any definition you used to include guns.

A gun can be used to kill anything. Lobster traps and fishing rods are very restricted. I reckon it would be significantly harder to kill me with a fishing rod than a gun.

There is a difference between can be a weapon and is a weapon.

oh god i thought we were done with this i don't think we even know what we're talking about anymore

[Gun Manufacturers]

There's nothing wrong with using a gun to hunt. Every country (that I know of) allows this. But you should have to undergo a background check and get a license. The reasons for these sensible safety measures are obvious. There is no reason to be against these measures except if your blindly following a doctrinaire pro-gun ideology. The same ideology which leads to people believing they should have machine guns. The danger of a machine gun far outweighs any practical use anyone could have for it.

Legally owned, transferable full auto/select fire weapons aren't used in crimes. The people that own them aren't the kind of people that commit crimes, and transferable full auto/select fire weapons are too big a monetary investment to risk in the commission of a crime.

[Sociobiology]

you have yet to define the difference between a tool used to kill animals (a gun) and another tool used to kill animals, such as a lobster trap, a bow and arrow, or a fishing rod.
you can use any of them as a weapon.
other things called weapons such axes, knives, baseball bats are all considered weapons but would hardly fall under any definition you used to include guns.

A gun can be used to kill anything. Lobster traps and fishing rods are very restricted. I reckon it would be significantly harder to kill me with a fishing rod than a gun.

There is a difference between can be a weapon and is a weapon.

oh god i thought we were done with this i don't think we even know what we're talking about anymore

what is this difference? is a knife a weapon, how about a stick of dynamite, what about a fishing pole or a mouse trap?

[Alyakia]

And additionally, lobster traps, that I know of, do not actually kill. Fishing rods, while they can kill, usually require a follow up with something else. But this is going nowhere.

[Alyakia]

A gun can be used to kill anything. Lobster traps and fishing rods are very restricted. I reckon it would be significantly harder to kill me with a fishing rod than a gun.

There is a difference between can be a weapon and is a weapon.

oh god i thought we were done with this i don't think we even know what we're talking about anymore

what is this difference? is a knife a weapon, how about a stick of dynamite, what about a fishing pole?

A knife is a tool used for cutting that can be used as a weapon.
A stick of dynamite is used for mining but can be used for a weapon. (And the creator of dynamite regrets this. He thought it would save lives by making mining safer.)
A fishing pole is not a weapon, but could be used as one. A bad one. A fishing hook, argurably, is a weapon. Possibly in the same category as a gun.

A gun is a weapon and has no other uses. (Shooting targets counts as a weapon. Looking at it doesn't not count as using it.)

edit: a mouse trap is a weapon, may or may not have some insane possible alternative uses

[Gun Manufacturers]

How does shooting a target damage or destroy anything?

Shooting things damages them? You know those holes? Or the clay pidgeons that are shattered?

Unless you're shooting AP rounds or a magnum caliber round, steel targets usually aren't destroyed by shooting them, they just fall over (and can be reset for the next shooter).

[Greed and Death]

Really? Where, out of curiosity?

Believe it or not, Georgia.

They don't spell it out in law, but through a combination of overlapping laws the effect is the same
For example, in order to park a car on my property, I have to register it. If I don't, they take the car, as I don't "legally" own it.
In order to "register" my vehicle, I have to pay my Ad Valorum tax, Road Tax, Sale Tax.
In order to pay these taxes and register my vehicle, I must present proof of insurance on that vehicle
In order to Get insurance, I must be Licensed to drive.

Quid, Pro, Quo. You must be Licensed to drive in order to "legally" own a car.

Georgia Code § 40-2-8 (2011)
says

(a) Any person owning or operating any vehicle described in Code Section 40-2-20 on any public highway or street without complying with that Code section shall be guilty of a misdemeanor, provided that a person shall register his or her motor vehicle within 30 days after becoming a resident of this state. Any person renting, leasing, or loaning any vehicle described in Code Section 40-2-20 which is being used on any public highway or street without complying with that Code section shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction thereof, shall be punished by a fine of $100.00 for each violation; and each day that such vehicle is operated in violation of Code Section 40-2-20 shall be deemed to be a separate and distinct offense.
(b) (For effective date, see note.) (1) Any vehicle operated in the State of Georgia which is required to be registered and which does not have attached to the rear thereof a numbered license plate and current revalidation decal affixed to a corner or corners of the license plate as designated by the commissioner, if required, shall be stored at the owner's risk and expense by any law enforcement officer of the State of Georgia, unless such operation is otherwise permitted by this chapter.

(emphasis added)
You car has to be owned or operated on a public street for the penalties for no registration to apply. Also the penalty is 100 dollars not forfeiture of the vehicle. They can store you vehicle at your expenses, until you register it but that's discretionary.

[Sociobiology]

what is this difference? is a knife a weapon, how about a stick of dynamite, what about a fishing pole?

A knife is a tool used for cutting that can be used as a weapon.
A stick of dynamite is used for mining but can be used for a weapon. (And the creator of dynamite regrets this. He thought it would save lives by making mining safer.)
A fishing pole is not a weapon, but could be used as one. A bad one. A fishing hook, argurably, is a weapon. Possibly in the same category as a gun.

A gun is a weapon and has no other uses. (Shooting targets counts as a weapon. Looking at it doesn't not count as using it.)

edit: a mouse trap is a weapon, may or may not have some insane possible alternative uses

so a weapon is merely something designed for the purpose of killing a living thing.
Ok so weed whackers, fishing spears, bug spray, and a fish-hooks are all weapons. But a chainsaw, a tonfa, a tazer, and a bottle of nitroglycerin are not weapons. Does that not seem slightly ridiculous and arbitrary to you?

[Sociobiology]

There's nothing wrong with using a gun to hunt. Every country (that I know of) allows this. But you should have to undergo a background check and get a license. The reasons for these sensible safety measures are obvious. There is no reason to be against these measures except if your blindly following a doctrinaire pro-gun ideology. The same ideology which leads to people believing they should have machine guns. The danger of a machine gun far outweighs any practical use anyone could have for it.

Legally owned, transferable full auto/select fire weapons aren't used in crimes. The people that own them aren't the kind of people that commit crimes, and transferable full auto/select fire weapons are too big a monetary investment to risk in the commission of a crime.

well this is a catch 22, they are rarely used in crime because they are very difficult to get a hold of , expensive and easily traceable, if these were not true there is a lot of evidence that they would be used in crime.

[Alyakia]

A knife is a tool used for cutting that can be used as a weapon.
A stick of dynamite is used for mining but can be used for a weapon. (And the creator of dynamite regrets this. He thought it would save lives by making mining safer.)
A fishing pole is not a weapon, but could be used as one. A bad one. A fishing hook, argurably, is a weapon. Possibly in the same category as a gun.

A gun is a weapon and has no other uses. (Shooting targets counts as a weapon. Looking at it doesn't not count as using it.)

edit: a mouse trap is a weapon, may or may not have some insane possible alternative uses

so a weapon is merely something designed for the purpose of killing a living thing.
Ok so scythes, fishing spears, bug spray, and a fish-hook are all weapons. But a chainsaw, a tonfa, a tazer, and a bottle of nitroglycerin are not weapons. Does that not seem slightly ridiculous and arbitrary to you?

It's not arbitrary.

Bug Spray: Weapon used to kill bugs. Cannot be used for any other purpose.
Fish Hooks: Weapon used to capture fish. Cannot be used for any other purpose.
Taser: Weapon used to incapicitate dangerous inidividuals. Cannot be used for any other purpose.
Fishing Spear: Weapon used to kill fish. Cannot be used for any other purpose.

Scythes: Tool that can be used as a weapon. (Farming.)
Chainsaw: Tool that can be used as a weapon. (Tree Cutting.)

Tonfa: Uh... Weapon I guess? Had to look it up. What other uses do they have?
Bottle of Nitroglycerin: Eh. You can use Nitroglycerin for mining and medical purposes. A bottle of it could be a weapon. I'd rather not classify this one at all.
Weed Whacker: Now that's an interesting one. Do you count grass as a living thing? Is cutting grass the same as killing a human or a deer? It could be considered a weapon if you pushed it to the absolute extreme broad definition. A weapon against grass that is considered a tool because grass is not given value.

It's mainly about whether something is only a weapon.

[The Left-Libertarian Hippies]

so a weapon is merely something designed for the purpose of killing a living thing.
Ok so scythes, fishing spears, bug spray, and a fish-hook are all weapons. But a chainsaw, a tonfa, a tazer, and a bottle of nitroglycerin are not weapons. Does that not seem slightly ridiculous and arbitrary to you?

It's not arbitrary.

Bug Spray: Weapon used to kill bugs. Cannot be used for any other purpose.
Fish Hooks: Weapon used to capture fish. Cannot be used for any other purpose.
Taser: Weapon used to incapicitate dangerous inidividuals. Cannot be used for any other purpose.
Fishing Spear: Weapon used to kill fish. Cannot be used for any other purpose.

Scythes: Tool that can be used as a weapon. (Farming.)
Chainsaw: Tool that can be used as a weapon. (Tree Cutting.)

Tonfa: Uh... Weapon I guess? Had to look it up. What other uses do they have?
Bottle of Nitroglycerin: Eh. You can use Nitroglycerin for mining and medical purposes. A bottle of it could be a weapon. I'd rather not classify this one at all.
Weed Whacker: Now that's an interesting one. Do you count grass as a living thing? Is cutting grass the same as killing a human or a deer? It could be considered a weapon if you pushed it to the absolute extreme broad definition. A weapon against grass that is considered a tool because grass is not given value.

It's mainly about whether something is only a weapon.

Anything can be a weapon, a gun is more dangerous, so it should be licensed....duh...

[Gun Manufacturers]

Functioning ones? I really don't think so.

Yes, functioning ones. I know a man who owns an M203 grenade launcher. The M433 HEDPs are $7,000 + $200 tax stamp.

You would have more trouble finding a legitimate seller than you could negotiating price.

Don't forget, each 40mm shell is also considered a destructive device, so you'd have to get a tax stamp for each round, too.

[Greed and Death]

It's not arbitrary.

Bug Spray: Weapon used to kill bugs. Cannot be used for any other purpose.
Fish Hooks: Weapon used to capture fish. Cannot be used for any other purpose.
Taser: Weapon used to incapicitate dangerous inidividuals. Cannot be used for any other purpose.
Fishing Spear: Weapon used to kill fish. Cannot be used for any other purpose.

Scythes: Tool that can be used as a weapon. (Farming.)
Chainsaw: Tool that can be used as a weapon. (Tree Cutting.)

Tonfa: Uh... Weapon I guess? Had to look it up. What other uses do they have?
Bottle of Nitroglycerin: Eh. You can use Nitroglycerin for mining and medical purposes. A bottle of it could be a weapon. I'd rather not classify this one at all.
Weed Whacker: Now that's an interesting one. Do you count grass as a living thing? Is cutting grass the same as killing a human or a deer? It could be considered a weapon if you pushed it to the absolute extreme broad definition. A weapon against grass that is considered a tool because grass is not given value.

It's mainly about whether something is only a weapon.

Anything can be a weapon, a gun is more dangerous, so it should be licensed....duh...

Requiring registration of a gun defeats the very purpose of the 2nd amendment to ensure the security of a free people. How can people secure themselves if in the first move to tyranny the government can seize all the weapons because they know who owns them?

[Alyakia]

Anything can be a weapon, a gun is more dangerous, so it should be licensed....duh...

Requiring registration of a gun defeats the very purpose of the 2nd amendment to ensure the security of a free people. How can people secure themselves if in the first move to tyranny the government can seize all the weapons because they know who owns them?

You have the right to bear arms. You do not have the right to bear arms without being trained and qualified.