Gun Rights

[Lessnt]

You seem to ignore the fact that it depends on the projectile.
as guns CAN RELIABLY WOUND SOMEONE!!!
Like I said you lack understanding of guns.

Not to intrude on you guys' little argument, but this is hilariously misinformed.

The only way a gun can reliably wound someone is if you are using non-lethal ammunition. Period. You do not shoot to wound, you shoot to kill.

Even small calibers can destroy organs, sever arteries and destroy brain matter. The whole "shoot somebody in the leg or the arm with a .22 to wound them" is pure bullshit.

4 words. Bacharial and Femoral artery.

birdshot often wounds not kills.

[Lessnt]

I understand your done explaining things.
As you cannot explain it to me without knowing it.

I've given you exact measurements and definitions you've done nothing but insist your a genius.

you misunderstand again.
The point is keeping weapons away from those whom you do not want to have them has in general always failed.

Your point was innacurate.

grain is a measurement.
But in a bullet what is it measuring?
How does this measurement relate to bullets and guns?

[Calldar]

birdshot often wounds not kills.

But it isn't a "reliable way to wound somebody". You can kill a man with bird shot, intentionally or accidentally.

Enough pellets get into his leg, and there's a good chance your going to see that man bleed out relatively quickly.

[Lessnt]

birdshot often wounds not kills.

But it isn't a "reliable way to wound somebody". You can kill a man with bird shot, intentionally or accidentally.

Enough pellets get into his leg, and there's a good chance your going to see that man bleed out relatively quickly.

reliable is not 100%.
Besides carry some first aid.
Or aim for the face.

[Calldar]

reliable is not 100%.
Besides carry some first aid.
Or aim for the face.

You realize that can be even worse right? Birdshot can penetrate the eyes and nose rather easily, and now the man has pellets in his brain. Thankfully it won't be able to break his skull, but you'll still have a man with multiple small skull fractures. Add that with the swelling and bleeding caused by the pellets in the brain and you just found a faster way to kill him.

Please never become a gun owner. We have enough shit to deal with from the anti-gun crowd, the last thing we need is you running around maiming people with birdshot.

[Des-Bal]

birdshot often wounds not kills.

Tell that to the guy Dick Cheney blew away.

grain is a measurement.
But in a bullet what is it measuring?
How does this measurement relate to bullets and guns?

It's a unit of measurement, it usually refers to the bullet but is also used to measure the slug the powder or just about anything else because that's how measurement works.

[Lessnt]

reliable is not 100%.
Besides carry some first aid.
Or aim for the face.

You realize that can be even worse right? Birdshot can penetrate the eyes and nose rather easily, and now the man has pellets in his brain. Thankfully it won't be able to break his skull, but you'll still have a man with multiple small skull fractures. Add that with the swelling and bleeding caused by the pellets in the brain and you just found a faster way to kill him.

Please never become a gun owner. We have enough shit to deal with from the anti-gun crowd, the last thing we need is you running around maiming people with birdshot.

Lol.
RIGHT BECAUSE IF I GET A GUN OBVIOUSLY THE FIRST THING IM GONNA DO IS GO SHOOTING PEOPLE!!!
Your real pro gun with those assumptions.

[Des-Bal]

You seem to ignore the fact that it depends on the projectile.
as guns CAN RELIABLY WOUND SOMEONE!!!
Like I said you lack understanding of guns.

Not to intrude on you guys' little argument, but this is hilariously misinformed.

The only way a gun can reliably wound someone is if you are using non-lethal ammunition. Period. You do not shoot to wound, you shoot to kill.

Even small calibers can destroy organs, sever arteries and destroy brain matter. The whole "shoot somebody in the leg or the arm with a .22 to wound them" is pure bullshit.

4 words. Bacharial and Femoral artery.

I tried to explain that blood needs to stay inside of people but he disagreed.

[Lessnt]

birdshot often wounds not kills.

Tell that to the guy Dick Cheney blew away.

grain is a measurement.
But in a bullet what is it measuring?
How does this measurement relate to bullets and guns?

It's a unit of measurement, it usually refers to the bullet but is also used to measure the slug the powder or just about anything else because that's how measurement works.

Do you understand which measurements people use for bullets?

[Lessnt]

Not to intrude on you guys' little argument, but this is hilariously misinformed.

The only way a gun can reliably wound someone is if you are using non-lethal ammunition. Period. You do not shoot to wound, you shoot to kill.

Even small calibers can destroy organs, sever arteries and destroy brain matter. The whole "shoot somebody in the leg or the arm with a .22 to wound them" is pure bullshit.

4 words. Bacharial and Femoral artery.

I tried to explain that blood needs to stay inside of people but he disagreed.

I disagree blood is not needed in bodies.

[Des-Bal]

Do you understand which measurements people use for bullets?

For christs sake I'm not going through this again. For the purposes of the damage done only the weight of the slug is relevant.

[Lessnt]

Do you understand which measurements people use for bullets?

For christs sake I'm not going through this again. For the purposes of the damage done only the weight of the slug is relevant.

Incorrect.
You do not understand ballistics.

[Calldar]

Lol.
RIGHT BECAUSE IF I GET A GUN OBVIOUSLY THE FIRST THING IM GONNA DO IS GO SHOOTING PEOPLE!!!
Your real pro gun with those assumptions.

Capslock is cruise control for cool eh?

Then lets say you use it for home defense then. So you just a man in the face with birdshot, he is now on the floor convulsing and bleeding profusely thanks to being maimed. As he twitches and spurts blood everywhere, the pellets lodged in his cranium cause the brain to swell. That in turn puts pressure on it due to his depressed skull fractures from pellets that didn't penetrate. This causes more bleeding and twitching. By the time the paramedics arrive the man is dead.

And then the nightly news gets their hands on that story. They then spin it into a tale of how firearms are evil weapons that cause slow painful deaths because some jackass used birdshot to take down a person.

I'm very pro-gun. I'm also anti-idiot.


You sound like somebody who's comprehensive knowledge of firearms comes from a mixture of Hollywood and video games.

[Des-Bal]

Incorrect.
You do not understand ballistics.

Stop using words you don't understand. The weight of the case and the amount of powder aren't as important as the size of the slug to the actual soft tissue damage inflicted.

[Lessnt]

Incorrect.
You do not understand ballistics.

Stop using words you don't understand. The weight of the case and the amount of powder aren't as important as the size of the slug to the actual soft tissue damage inflicted.

the amount of powder is very important.

[Lessnt]

Lol.
RIGHT BECAUSE IF I GET A GUN OBVIOUSLY THE FIRST THING IM GONNA DO IS GO SHOOTING PEOPLE!!!
Your real pro gun with those assumptions.

Capslock is cruise control for cool eh?

Then lets say you use it for home defense then. So you just a man in the face with birdshot, he is now on the floor convulsing and bleeding profusely thanks to being maimed. As he twitches and spurts blood everywhere, the pellets lodged in his cranium cause the brain to swell. That in turn puts pressure on it due to his depressed skull fractures from pellets that didn't penetrate. This causes more bleeding and twitching. By the time the paramedics arrive the man is dead.

And then the nightly news gets their hands on that story. They then spin it into a tale of how firearms are evil weapons that cause slow painful deaths because some jackass used birdshot to take down a person.

I'm very pro-gun. I'm also anti-idiot.


You sound like somebody who's comprehensive knowledge of firearms comes from a mixture of Hollywood and video games.

And the congress woman gets shot 2 times in the head and survives.

[Des-Bal]

the amount of powder is very important.

First of all grain doesn't measure the powder in the bullet that's just what every non gun guy thinks. Second if it has the ability to penetrate soft tissues it's going to do pretty significant damage. If it fails to penetrate the other side it'll do significantly more. More powder doesn't necessarily mean more damage.

[Des-Bal]

And the congress woman gets shot 2 times in the head and survives.

People have put shotguns in their mouths, pulled the trigger, reduced their skulls to goo and bone fragments and survived. I guess buckshot to the brain is also a reliable way to wound someone.

[Calldar]

And the congress woman gets shot 2 times in the head and survives.

Do you see the condition that she's in? Did you see the amount of effort and luck that went towards her survival?

Jesus titty fucking Christ kid are really basing your entire argument upon Gabrielle Giffords?

[Lessnt]

the amount of powder is very important.

First of all grain doesn't measure the powder in the bullet that's just what every non gun guy thinks. Second if it has the ability to penetrate soft tissues it's going to do pretty significant damage. If it fails to penetrate the other side it'll do significantly more. More powder doesn't necessarily mean more damage.

so.....velocity means nothing in ballistics ok.

[Lessnt]

And the congress woman gets shot 2 times in the head and survives.

Do you see the condition that she's in? Did you see the amount of effort and luck that went towards her survival?

Jesus titty fucking Christ kid are really basing your entire argument upon Gabrielle Giffords?

AND?
your missing the point again.
Do you ignore the arguements I have with other people?

[Des-Bal]

so.....velocity means nothing in ballistics ok.

It means plenty but it's not black and white more powder =/= bigger wound neither does more penetration. Getting hit with a 22 round that bounces around your rib cage is easilly worse than having a bullet of a larger diameter go through and through.

[Des-Bal]

AND?
your missing the point again.
Do you ignore the arguements I have with other people?

What exactly is the point? I'm not sure you know.

[Calldar]

AND?
your missing the point again.
Do you ignore the arguements I have with other people?

When those people have no idea what they're talking about, yes. Yes I do usually ignore them.

Have you ever fired a gun? Have you ever gone hunting, or shot ballistics gell? Do you own a firearm? Have you ever seen what a firearm does to somebody in person?

Because usually Fudds like yourself either don't own a gun, or they don't own a gun yet. Then you all go out and give the rest of us a bad name.

[Lessnt]

AND?
your missing the point again.
Do you ignore the arguements I have with other people?

When those people have no idea what they're talking about, yes. Yes I do usually ignore them.

Have you ever fired a gun? Have you ever gone hunting, or shot ballistics gell? Do you own a firearm? Have you ever seen what a firearm does to somebody in person?

Because usually Fudds like yourself either don't own a gun, or they don't own a gun yet. Then you all go out and give the rest of us a bad name.

Uh-huh.
WHatcha gonna do bout that then?