Damn religious people

[Allied Governments]

Because they tell us to join in(or else)?

What's wrong with joining in? You do it with other people's cultures, why not a religious action?

[Martaz]

I'm catholic but even if my religion will be proven false i continue to support it ......Religion is needed for keep people away from stealing,murdering,raping etc etc and be moral

I don't want a world where people can walk on the street naked or fucking their sister

communism regime were atheist and kill million of people...

[EvilDarkMagicians]

Because they tell us to join in(or else)?

What's wrong with joining in? You do it with other people's cultures, why not a religious action?

Because it is non-sensical.

[Allied Governments]

Because they tell us to join in(or else)?

What's wrong with joining in? You do it with other people's cultures, why not a religious action?

Because it is non-sensical.

That's very close-minded of you.

[Kobrania]

Whats wrong with fucking yer sister as long as you don't have kids?

And Goerge Bushs religion didn't stop him dropping bombs on civilians.

[Allied Governments]

Whats wrong with fucking yer sister as long as you don't have kids?

And Goerge Bushs religion didn't stop him dropping bombs on civilians.

But did George Bush's religion cause him to drop bombs on civilians? If I remember correctly it had more to do with economics.

Also, are you implying you want to fuck your sister? You realize how unnatural that is?

[Northern Delmarva]

Because they tell us to join in(or else)?

What's wrong with joining in? You do it with other people's cultures, why not a religious action?

Because it is non-sensical.

I'm pretty sure a lot of things we do (including you) are non-sensical, so why not add one more thing to that list instead of bitching about it?

[Kobrania]

Whats wrong with fucking yer sister as long as you don't have kids?

And Goerge Bushs religion didn't stop him dropping bombs on civilians.

But did George Bush's religion cause him to drop bombs on civilians? If I remember correctly it had more to do with economics.

Also, are you implying you want to fuck your sister? You realize how unnatural that is?

I am gay.
And if I remember rightly a child is more likley to experiment (usually group masturbation) with a sibling than a non-relation from the ages (8 to 11.)

[Treznor]

Because they tell us to join in(or else)?

Because closing your eyes and bowing your head for about 30 seconds is just too hard?

Is it that hard to kneel and bow your head facing east? No? How come you don't do it?

[Allied Governments]

Because they tell us to join in(or else)?

Because closing your eyes and bowing your head for about 30 seconds is just too hard?

Is it that hard to kneel and bow your head facing east? No? How come you don't do it?

Because he's not in a situation that calls for it, if I was in a Mosque I'd certainly do it, or if I was with Muslims I would certainly do it.

[EvilDarkMagicians]

Whats wrong with fucking yer sister as long as you don't have kids?

And Goerge Bushs religion didn't stop him dropping bombs on civilians.

But did George Bush's religion cause him to drop bombs on civilians? If I remember correctly it had more to do with economics.

Also, are you implying you want to fuck your sister? You realize how unnatural that is?

I am gay.
And if I remember rightly a child is more likley to experiment (usually group masturbation) with a sibling than a non-relation from the ages (8 to 11.)

Still wrong.

[Kobrania]

What is?

I got the stats from my phsycology teacher so I am not sure if I can verify them.

[EvilDarkMagicians]

What is?

I got the stats from my phsycology teacher so I am not sure if I can verify them.

Having sex with your sister. Ewwww.

[Kobrania]

Brother then?

Also from my pshycology teacher, 2 out of 50 sets of Twins end up cohabitating.

[Hayteria]

I'm catholic but even if my religion will be proven false i continue to support it ......Religion is needed for keep people away from stealing,murdering,raping etc etc and be moral

I don't want a world where people can walk on the street naked or fucking their sister

communism regime were atheist and kill million of people...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEhDZN0RFjw

[EvilDarkMagicians]

Brother then?

Also from my pshycology teacher, 2 out of 50 sets of Twins end up cohabitating.

I actually find twin sex my guilty sexual pleasure.
I think it's better to have sex with people other than your family probably more healthy aswell.

[Crazymess (Ancient)]

I went to a bible camp by accident once and I figured after I got there that not very many people would be religious so I went whatever. But then, when we had the next meal in the mess hall this happened:

Everyone sits down.
Me: to everyone else at the table: ooo I love chicken!
I grab some and put it on my plate like everyone else.
I don't notice that everyone has bowed their heads and I dig in.
Evil Counselor that I later find out is a real Beech: What are you doing child!
Me: I'm eating, Duh?
Evil Beech: We haven't said grace yet!
Me: (Takes a big bite) Well you have fun with that! I'll tell you what satan's like! Actually you'll probably get there before me. You're what 80? (continues eating)

Kids at the table :

Man, did she get pished!

[Allied Governments]

I went to a bible camp by accident once and I figured after I got there that not very many people would be religious so I went whatever. But then, when we had the next meal in the mess hall this happened:

Everyone sits down.
Me: to everyone else at the table: ooo I love chicken!
I grab some and put it on my plate like everyone else.
I don't notice that everyone has bowed their heads and I dig in.
Evil Counselor that I later find out is a real Beech: What are you doing child!
Me: I'm eating, Duh?
Evil Beech: We haven't said grace yet!
Me: (Takes a big bite) Well you have fun with that! I'll tell you what satan's like! Actually you'll probably get there before me. You're what 80? (continues eating)

Kids at the table :

Man, did she get pished!

That was incredibly insensitive and rude, and you think you were being witty?

[Allbeama]

Speaking of Religious People, has anyone heard about the case of the Principal and Athletics Director going on trial for Criminal Charges because they said a prayer at a school? Prison Time and the loss of their retirement Priveleges (an accumulated 70 years of service between both of them) from the School because they said a prayer. Justice has been served?

Yes, if this happened in America, in a public government funded school, yes, though they could have been a bit more lenient. Like they could have just reprimanded him or suspended him from his position. Please show a source too so I can see that he was harshly punished and not just take your word for it.

[Buccaneers FC]

So we have visiters from Hawaii that come down to Port Alberni,Canada every year for about 2 months. They are nice enough people just one thing. They are heavy Christians. Now don't get me wrong they are great people... Just if they don't spread their beleifs. So any way we invited them for dinner and this is how it goes...


Dad:Well, dig in!
Hawaiin:Oh, well shouldn't we say grace?
Mom:Oh well we don't do that around here.
Hawaiin:Oh so your an athiest?
Mom:No, we are not either.
Dad:Well lets just eat our foo...
Hawaiin:HOLD on, we have to say grace.
Dad:Ok then...
Hawaiin:Thank you Lord Jesus for this wonderfull meal (blah blah blah)
Mom:Shouldn't you be thanking the chef that made it and not Jesus (laughs)
Hawaiin:You did a wondefull job.


So what do you guys have to say?

KICK OUT KICK OUT KICK OUT DAMN IT

They're just trying to piss you off.

[Tunizcha]

Speaking of Religious People, has anyone heard about the case of the Principal and Athletics Director going on trial for Criminal Charges because they said a prayer at a school? Prison Time and the loss of their retirement Priveleges (an accumulated 70 years of service between both of them) from the School because they said a prayer. Justice has been served?

Yes, if this happened in America, in a public government funded school, yes, though they could have been a bit more lenient. Like they could have just reprimanded him or suspended him from his position. Please show a source too so I can see that he was harshly punished and not just take your word for it.

I mentioned the "reprimand before jail time" on the thread that discussed this, and apparently they (ACLU, I think) had already done so.

[Allbeama]

I'm catholic but even if my religion will be proven false i continue to support it ......Religion is needed for keep people away from stealing,murdering,raping etc etc and be moral

I don't want a world where people can walk on the street naked or fucking their sister

communism regime were atheist and kill million of people...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEhDZN0RFjw

That is a damn good point.

[Tunizcha]

I'm catholic but even if my religion will be proven false i continue to support it ......Religion is needed for keep people away from stealing,murdering,raping etc etc and be moral

I don't want a world where people can walk on the street naked or fucking their sister

communism regime were atheist and kill million of people...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEhDZN0RFjw

You stole my link!

[Straughn]

Why do you think all religious people are rightwing exactly?

Never said that. What i said was how my state is full of rightwing fucktards, which is demonstrably true. Up here, and in many other places, there is an uncomfortable lack of distance between the two philosophies.

It actually proves my point.

Prove that.

Your regional area might have a larger number of right wingers who are religious than left wingers and thus your area views all religious people as radical. That's a cultural issue.

You're doing more to make me out to be absolute about things than i actually am. You would do well to steer clear from that. It sounds sith-ish.

I'm not attempting to change your mind because most people are set in their ways no matter what. I'm just attempting to open some minds up to the possibility that religious people aren't bad. I know that sounds crazy right? I just get so disgusted by the actions of some people regarding religion. It seems silly that people are so afraid of something that they don't even think is real. Not speaking directly to you of course, but I just find it very closed minded and simple those people. Most of them don't even understand religion to begin with.

That's just it. Religion isn't an unfathomable thing. Neither are peoples' gods. They simply give themselves way too much credit for their imaginations. Religion shouldn't be heralded as some kind of super state - it's not.

Some of them don't understand what they say they believe in.

It could be that they simply don't care, and it works to their advantage to not dig deeply enough to truly risk their values and considerations, and even what they think their identity consists of.

It gets redundant and ridiculous as well as pointless because they don't want to learn outside of their bubble.

That, reinforced with the above.

First, I agree, I don't think highly of an opinion not based in some kind of fact, but then again, there will always be unexplained occurrences.

Tis true, as i've learned one of the biggest threats to truth is consensus.

Well, I think that the western world is mostly free at least as free as it can be without being delved into chaos and anarchy.

We foment that and export that. Our great culture attacks are fine, fine examples as such.

Cultures and nations have to have structure and no you can't go down the street and punch that ass of a neighbor you have, but freedom was never quoted as being a philosophy for violence. Largely, I'm free and no one can take my thoughts and my beliefs away from me. They can try, but they'll never take your spirit because your spirit is free. They can throw you in prison and swallow the key, but all they have done is shackle your body not your mind.

Jay: You know what they say. It's better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all.
Kay: Try it.

I thought of this for some reason.
Closer to home, i'd say this further demonstrates the importance of not selling your soul on account of emotional and spiritual weakness ... no matter how cheap. Read from that what you may.

I'm an advocator of you did the crime now you do the time personally. I don't think that - disparity, disjunction, discommunion and discontinuity all fall under proper freedom.

Crime, eh?
http://jeffreimer.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/cp.jpg

I don't respect people who use belief systems to harm others either and I also don't respect people who generalize about people including religion, but not limited to. I read some crazy radical stuff in my own local newspaper about things and it really sadly makes me laugh, some radicals...geez.

Fair 'nuff.

While that is true. That isn't true at the same time. You can tell me what to believe and no I won't follow it. But, if you enact penalties and turn it into oppression that is another matter. Also, slurs are never ever tolerable. No one should be okay with anyone slurring anyone based on anything not limited to their religion.

A person should, conversely, be willing to take criticism for their decisions, no?

Also, telling someone else what to believe takes away their personality and their individuality as well as their freedom. Most people should just live and let live.

True, this. Alas ...

Call me on it. I can call you on stuff too. But, that doesn't mean you won't believe it. That also doesn't mean there is a line that you shouldn't cross. That line is intolerance.

Tolerating what, exactly?
I guess I could call into question the idea that God is a "he", for instance. Is that an answer you have? Is it something you'd substantiate?

First, I can have healthy conversations with people who don't agree with me.

I suspect you'll be a paragon of health if you hang around here long enough.

We don't have to say let's just agree to disagree if you are open and not judgmental.

As has occurred, in this very thread, from our very first interaction, people approach their interactions with the judgment they have - the one they think carries a value worthy of being shared (or gleaned). That's why i picked the term i did - "hell" - for a very specific reason.

But at any rate, that agree to disagree mostly fails because a lot of people who drive you to that point are indignant fools.

Not sure, but that sounds kinda intolerant there.

It is whether or not they possess the ability to learn and grow as an individual.

Again, an example of why i started with "hell".

Don't reiterate, not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that if you want to learn something go out and learn it yourself. Don't let others tell you what to think. You should make your own conclusions, your own solid conclusions from your experiences as well as facts, not opinions of others or flaky statistics. Learn it and then your conclusions can be respected. If you base your conclusions on, for example, the Bible, but you don't even understand it

That is true of yourself. It is not by any stretch of the imagination true by other peoples' standards - especially people who intend to use that against you. It qualifies a need to familiarize yourself with the material firsthand, as i'd said.

For example, if you read a math problem and the question says a train is going such and such mph and another is going such and such mph when will they meet? You say the answer is 2 o'clock. Well, when you look at the answer key, it is actually 3 o'clock. At this point you don't know why you got it wrong so you find out. Religion doesn't have an answer key so when someone comes to a bad conclusion, they can't really find out that they're wrong especially if that conclusion leads them to not like religious people who are really the only ones that you can compare answers with.

I've heard far worse analogies than this, given the context.

This means, when I tell you my personal experience, you don't have to believe the same thing I concluded or even believe that it actually happened to me, but you should at least try to understand where I'm coming from. Because if you don't then your conclusions aren't solid because you don't have any idea what happened.

Correct, experience, as i'd said before.
I wonder, in this regard, what you would think of the history of exorcism, and the history of witch burning in New England.

Priests can be bad people. Scientologists can be good people. Your religion doesn't make you who you are. You can read the required texts and not follow them, but think that you are or just say that you are. You can twist the texts to match your own twisted soul, but that doesn't make you religious. You can't pick and choose the portions of the texts that you want to believe. You either believe them or you don't, but that doesn't make you who you are. Your religion can contribute to your personality and your belief systems, but it doesn't define you. You seem like an atheist (correct me if I'm wrong), but just because I'm a Christian doesn't mean I automatically think oh, he's going to hell blah blah blah. None of those things ever crosses my mind. You are you and I'm me. We can be friends regardless of our religions.

Once again, your religious affiliation doesn't mean anything. Mobsters go to church does that make them good people? Atheists don't does that make them bad people? Of course not. Your actions make you good or bad not what you profess as your religious beliefs.

It does if the source of your heralded and adhered-to values are fucked up. It most certainly does.
There are many, many, MANY examples to show this. A person hopes that it was just an individual incident, not characteristic of the bigger setting of what allows those kinds of judgments to occur in the first place. Not just professions, but values. As i'd said, not the biggest one, the biggest one (as you'd alluded) is still choice.

[Straughn]

Because they tell us to join in(or else)?

What's wrong with joining in? You do it with other people's cultures, why not a religious action?

In turn, why not, immediately following, invoke a rite of Bacchus?