Was Stalin evil?

[Wikkiwallana]

Also, I forgot the frequent changing of history his government did.

[Actava]

He killed millions with his stupid politically driven and unfounded ideas, he watched and tortured his people non-stop with secret police and turned friend and family against one another, people who spoke out against him were forced to confess to treason or their families were raped and tortured to death in front of them. Yes he was evil, as evil as Hitler ever was.

[Bobs Taco Shack]

Asking if he was evil is like asking if he was communist, or had a mustache. Emphatically, YES!

And Im not saying that communists are evil, nor mustachioed men evil, just this specific mustache wearing one.

[Derscon]

Criticizing soviet agricultural policy may offend people who think collective farming works.

Also, I had no idea there was a word for this. The more you know

It wasn't about communal farming, it was about junk biology. Communal farming is fine, pretending you can will nature into acting communist is stupid.

To be fair, government possessing the power to alter reality is a claim made almost universally by governments, aided by the utopian hopes citizenry tend to place in said institution.

Usually it doesn't kill as many people, though.

[Marlboro Kid]

Maybe no one informed him?

But how? He knew the Gulags existed (they don't build themselves, you know). The Kulaks (all nearly two million of them) didn't deport themselves either.

How do you know he knew the Gulags existed?

[Great Nepal]

Stalin did some evil things but so does everyone. Overall, he was a hero and I know that capitali$st propaganda contradicts logic and statics.

"Hitler did some evil things but so does everyone. Overall, he was a hero and I know that communist propaganda contradicts logic and statics"
^Lets apply your logic as well...
*Not that I believe of this obviously*

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@OP: Yes, he was evil, I dont understand how someone can believe a person who killed more than Hitler to be not evil... seriously?

[Thartar]

Stalin to me was evil he killedx millions and gave the soviet union and communism in general a bad reputationon the other hand he did have some good ideas about industrializing and without him we couldnt have killed hitler and the nazis also he did not kill 20 million but closer to 5 million http://www.prisoncensorship.info/archiv ... eaths.html I am not defending him and he was still the 2nd most evil man ever but you must get the facts straight.

[Derscon]

Have you seen his mustache? You don't grow that by being ignorant.

This is a evil person too?

> ignorant
> evil

Are these words synonyms? No?

If you're going to troll, try harder. Go back to the hyperskeptic stance; it works better.

[Gildenburgh]

He came from a broken home................have a heart he was just misunderstood poor lamb....................................bless him

[Mike the Progressive]

Maybe no one informed him?

But how?

What we've got here is failure to communicate!

[Risottia]

Well, you didn't even provide a definition of "evil" or a source for your "most conservative estimates". So, spammy and also a bit of copycat.

copycat???

Yep. From your own OP, it's clear this has been done as an answer to a similar thread about Hitler. Copycat.

[Risottia]

Stalin wasn't evil, he was a great hero!

The two things aren't mutually exclusive.

[AustriaHungaryBohemia]

How do you know he knew the Gulags existed?

Just to clarify before we proceed: This is an extended comedy routine, right? You aren't serious?

Well, to begin with, there's order 270, which ordered the deportation or execution of any surrendering soldiers. Kind of hard to order a deportation when you think there's nowhere to deport them to

[Marlboro Kid]

This is a evil person too?

> ignorant
> evil

Are these words synonyms? No?

If you're going to troll, try harder. Go back to the hyperskeptic stance; it works better.

Troll? I don't know if he was evil or not. It's possible that he wasn't informed well. Sometimes the boss doesn't know what his employees are doing.

[The Divine Imperium]

Why was Hitler considered evil? Because he killed millions of people. Now, if we judge peoples good/evil on the number of people killed, Stalin comes out as the number one evil person. Now we all know, that one of Hitler's main evil plans was the concentration camps, as they murdered millions over the course of the war. Look at Stalin. His Winter Holocaust killed more people than Hitler did Jews (through out his entire reign) in one winter. How could one not see this as bad? He was worse than Hitler.

[Nationstatelandsville]

Have you seen his mustache? You don't grow that by being ignorant.

This is a evil person too?

Ever seen him act? Case in point.

[Franco-Philia]

> ignorant
> evil

Are these words synonyms? No?

If you're going to troll, try harder. Go back to the hyperskeptic stance; it works better.

Troll? I don't know if he was evil or not. It's possible that he wasn't informed well. Sometimes the boss doesn't know what his employees are doing.

That was the defense used by a lot of people implicated in the Holocaust: "I just did paperwork! I thought when those giant trains full of Jews were being trucked in and nobody coming out, it was like a sort of summer camp or something. Mass graves? What mass graves? I was told those were patches for the yam harvest..."

During the purge, Stalin was responsible for sending people to prison camps. Lots of people. He knew.

[Marlboro Kid]

How do you know he knew the Gulags existed?

Just to clarify before we proceed: This is an extended comedy routine, right? You aren't serious?

Well, to begin with, there's order 270, which ordered the deportation or execution of any surrendering soldiers. Kind of hard to order a deportation when you think there's nowhere to deport them to

The death penalty is acceptable for deserting soldiers. Most armies have this policy at times of war.

[Nazis in Space]

copycat??? :eyebrow:

Yep. From your own OP, it's clear this has been done as an answer to a similar thread about Hitler. Copycat.

I'm not sure if it can be an answer or a copycat when the OP for the threads in question is one and the same.

Well, split personality, maybe...

[AustriaHungaryBohemia]

The death penalty is acceptable for deserting soldiers. Most armies have this policy at times of war.

I said surrendering, not deserting. After the war, hundreds of thousands of former Soviet POWs were shipped from German POW camps right into Soviet prison camps.

[The Matriarchians]

Stalin did some evil things but so does everyone. Overall, he was a hero and I know that capitali$st propaganda contradicts logic and statics.

"Hitler did some evil things but so does everyone. Overall, he was a hero and I know that communist propaganda contradicts logic and statics"
^Lets apply your logic as well...
*Not that I believe of this obviously*

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@OP: Yes, he was evil, I dont understand how someone can believe a person who killed more than Hitler to be not evil... seriously?

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Stalin was so evil that he killed your parents. Why would Stalin want to kill people, he wasn't anti-semitic or totalitarian.

Whatever Stalin did was for the greater good of the people.

Stalin couldn't have killed as much as they say he did contradict how many existed in the world and Russia.

[Mike the Progressive]

This is a evil person too?

Ever seen him act? Case in point.

You sir, are a jerk. And for that I demand satisfaction *pulls off white glove and slaps you in the face with it*

Tom Selleck is acting and acting is Tom Selleck.

[Bagaromeni]

Many people believe that Stalin was an evil person. By the most conservative estimates he killed at least 11,3 million people, but on the other side he helped stop nazism and industrialised the undeveloped Soviet Union. Was he evil or not?

Compare the poll results with those of the Hitler is not evil thread viewtopic.php?f=20&t=119879

He killed Vladimir Lenin and about 60,000,000 people. The Soviet Union was doing fine before he came into the picture, and Stalin was the very person who enacted a alliance between the USSR and Nazi Germany in 1939. So yeah, he was evil.

[Franco-Philia]

"Hitler did some evil things but so does everyone. Overall, he was a hero and I know that communist propaganda contradicts logic and statics"
^Lets apply your logic as well...
*Not that I believe of this obviously*

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@OP: Yes, he was evil, I dont understand how someone can believe a person who killed more than Hitler to be not evil... seriously?

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Stalin was so evil that he killed your parents. Why would Stalin want to kill people, he wasn't anti-semitic or totalitarian.

Whatever Stalin did was for the greater good of the people.

Stalin couldn't have killed as much as they say he did contradict how many existed in the world and Russia.

Whatever stalin did was for the good of himself.

Stalin was, in fact, a raging anti-semite.

No one said Stalin killed more people than lives in Russia, or in the world. Who in this post said he killed BILLIONS (which is what it would have to be for your comment to make any sense whatsoever).

[AustriaHungaryBohemia]

Stalin was so evil that he killed your parents. Why would Stalin want to kill people, he wasn't anti-semitic or totalitarian.

Whatever Stalin did was for the greater good of the people.

Stalin couldn't have killed as much as they say he did contradict how many existed in the world and Russia.

So? Whatever Hitler did was for the "greater good of the Aryan race". Doesn't make him less of an evil mofo.

WARNING: Aryan race does not actually exist. Consult psychologist if belief in this race persists after 1945.