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Was Stalin evil?

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No
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AustriaHungaryBohemia
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Postby AustriaHungaryBohemia » Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:24 pm

Marlboro Kid wrote:Most, if not all, civilisations and cultures were evil. Some are still evil today. But you deserve the label 'evil' depending the kind of history book.


Few single persons had millions of people killed. And entire cultures are not evil. Individuals in them can be.
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Postby Wikkiwallana » Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:31 pm

Mature Related wrote:You also have to consider that he took one of the largest impoverished populations in the world and in a few years turned russia into an industrial power house.

Sure a lot of people died, but a lot of people lived because of it too.

Soviet medicine was good you know.

Except the good achievements could have been done as easily, or possibly even more easily, without the ridiculously high death toll. But Comrade Psychopath decided to go with the blood-soaked route.
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Postby Marlboro Kid » Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:33 pm

AustriaHungaryBohemia wrote:
Marlboro Kid wrote:Most, if not all, civilisations and cultures were evil. Some are still evil today. But you deserve the label 'evil' depending the kind of history book.


Few single persons had millions of people killed. And entire cultures are not evil. Individuals in them can be.


BS. Stalin didn't kill a single person, his employees did.
If you single out Stalin, you have to do the same with the kings, queens, presidents and prime ministers of other countries too.

You are just using a double standard and trying to rationalize the evil behaviour of the decision makers in the West.

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Postby AustriaHungaryBohemia » Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:34 pm

Marlboro Kid wrote:BS. Stalin didn't kill a single person, his employees did.
If you single out Stalin, you have to do the same with the kings, queens, presidents and prime ministers of other countries too.

You are just using a double standard and trying to rationalize the evil behaviour of the decision makers in the West.


You must be either illiterate or joking. At no point did I say that the people who made the decision to colonize weren't evil. And how can someone be head of a state for decades without noticing the atrocities going on right under his mustache?
Either Stalin was evil, or he was dumb as horseshit, then.
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Postby Great Nepal » Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:35 pm

Mature Related wrote:You also have to consider that he took one of the largest impoverished populations in the world and in a few years turned russia into an industrial power house.

Sure a lot of people died, but a lot of people lived because of it too.

Soviet medicine was good you know.

Nazis were first to have anti-smoking campaign.
Nazis created autobarhn.
Nazis took one of most improvised nations, shamed after WW1 and built it to mighty continental empire.
Nazis were first to develop jet engines.
Nazis were first to create rockets.
Nazis extensively studied and monitored hypothermia along with many other medical breakthroughs.

Does that make Nazis any less evil?
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Postby Marlboro Kid » Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:39 pm

AustriaHungaryBohemia wrote:
Marlboro Kid wrote:BS. Stalin didn't kill a single person, his employees did.
If you single out Stalin, you have to do the same with the kings, queens, presidents and prime ministers of other countries too.

You are just using a double standard and trying to rationalize the evil behaviour of the decision makers in the West.


You must be either illiterate or joking. At no point did I say that the people who made the decision to colonize weren't evil. And how can someone be head of a state for decades without noticing the atrocities going on right under his mustache?
Either Stalin was evil, or he was dumb as horseshit, then.


I said: I don't know. I don't trust history books. History books are not factbooks. The described 'facts' depends on who's holding the hand that's writing those books.

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Postby AustriaHungaryBohemia » Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:41 pm

Marlboro Kid wrote:I said: I don't know. I don't trust history books. History books are not factbooks. The described 'facts' depends on who's holding the hand that's writing those books.


So what do you trust then? Pravda?
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Postby Esternial » Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:44 pm

The man did have an epic moustache, and he sorta helped the allies win the war. He was a bit mean though.

After that, he became a total dick.

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Postby Hypparchia » Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:45 pm

He was an evil genius unlike Hitler, who wasn't even evil. Hitler was just a depressed Osthrian hillbilly. Stalin is the very definition of a man both brilliant and evil.

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Postby TheGreatEnglish » Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:46 pm

Hippostania wrote:He killed 20 million people, invaded the Baltic Countries, invaded Eastern Europe and caused incredible amounts of suffering until people overthrew the commie dictators in 1989..
Yup, I'd say he was evil. He was actually the most evil person on Earth, Mao Zedong comes as a close second

You are an idiot, Death is not inherently evil. He is not the most evil person on Earth, You live in a country of the most evil people on Earth. Also, If you wish to see something truly evil, Read the bible, The Christian god is evil.

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Postby Great Valencia » Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:47 pm

Id input my opinion, but then, let all other Russia threads, Ill get blasted down for being a Russian patriot.

Actually, Soviet patriot. Both are awesome, but Im from the USSR.
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Postby Bagaromeni » Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:47 pm

Esternial wrote:The man did have an epic moustache, and he sorta helped the allies win the war. He was a bit mean though.

After that, he became a total dick.

Even before then.
He murdered Vladimir Lenin in 1923, followed by over sixty million more people in 1936.

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Postby Esternial » Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:49 pm

Bagaromeni wrote:
Esternial wrote:The man did have an epic moustache, and he sorta helped the allies win the war. He was a bit mean though.

After that, he became a total dick.

Even before then.
He murdered Vladimir Lenin in 1923, followed by over sixty million more people in 1936.

Well, I said he was a bit mean.

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Postby Lucatopia » Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:49 pm

While Good and Evil are oversimplifying concepts, I understand the actions of Stalin to be morally despicable by western standards. I do not endorse them.
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Postby AustriaHungaryBohemia » Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:49 pm

Hypparchia wrote:He was an evil genius unlike Hitler, who wasn't even evil. Hitler was just a depressed Osthrian hillbilly. Stalin is the very definition of a man both brilliant and evil.


You managed to horribly mangle the word "Austria". Also, Hitler wasn't evil? WTF?
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Postby The Pike Dynasty » Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:50 pm

Stalin wasn't "evil," he just systematically destroyed millions of lives intentionally to maintain power and subvert the populous. Is that really "evil?" :eyebrow:

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Postby Marlboro Kid » Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:50 pm

AustriaHungaryBohemia wrote:
Marlboro Kid wrote:I said: I don't know. I don't trust history books. History books are not factbooks. The described 'facts' depends on who's holding the hand that's writing those books.


So what do you trust then? Pravda?


I trust nothing and no one.

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Postby Polkopia » Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:50 pm

Us Russians are given a bad name thanks to Stalin. Yes, i believe Stalin was a VERY evil man.
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Postby Sunrise Isles » Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:51 pm

Real life is not fantasy. Good and evil can't be measured. They are concepts.

Every country has their ups and downs, just like people. Thus, in my own opinion, no one is evil unless they describe themselves as evil.

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Postby AustriaHungaryBohemia » Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:51 pm

Marlboro Kid wrote:I trust nothing and no one.


Except, apparently, Stalin.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:51 pm

Marlboro Kid wrote:I trust nothing and no one.

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Postby Risottia » Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:52 pm

Polkopia wrote:Us Russians are given a bad name thanks to Stalin.

Blame the Georgians.
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Postby Polkopia » Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:53 pm

Risottia wrote:
Polkopia wrote:Us Russians are given a bad name thanks to Stalin.

Blame the Georgians.


I dont care for them either :)
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Postby The Deutsche » Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:53 pm

Good and evil? There is no such thing as good and evil. These terms are merely points of view concocted to subdue the masses into a common belief. A Christian views a Satanist as evil, however a Satanist views a Christian as evil. Its all a point of view.
Good and Evil are only a point of view.

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Postby Anit christ » Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:54 pm

59 people like Hitler

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