Your stance on gay marriage

[Moon Cows]

I was comparing it to things like slavery, emancipation, suffrage, etc. If that is complete failure, then you can't read.

The question of biology or psychology is irrelevant.

The Constitution doesn't allow me to discriminate against your religion any more than what you have in your pants. Constitutional protection is not necessarily contingent on 'choice'.

So, even if you were right about homosexuality being a choice, you're wrong about how the Constitution must treat it.

I can definitely see where you're coming from with that approach. But the fact remains that a large number of people are against homosexuality, and have logical arguments against it.

[Terra Mariana]

Thankfully, we here have a constitutional ban on such travesty of an ancient and time-honored ritual. I don't mind deviants buggering each other in privacy if that's how they like it, but for the love of all gods, keep it away from marriage and children! It's not about rights, but rather about respect - folks who want to make a mockery out of a sacred ritual show disrespect to the rest of society by proclaiming their "rights" and desires above those of the normal majority.

Since our constitution was amended at the will of the people to ban same-sex marriage, any sodomites that have a problem with that are more than welcome to leave for a country that is willing to tolerate their demands.

[Samuraikoku]

I can definitely see where you're coming from with that approach. But the fact remains that a large number of people are against homosexuality, and have logical arguments against it.

Which are not yours, obviously, seeing how you say you're a Christian and therefore "see more clearly than me that homosexuality is a broken psychology and can be fixed".

[Grave_n_idle]

You're a Christian treating your opinions as fact.

You're going to be laughed out of every room you enter as long as you keep that up.

Not to mention, labeling us all as "liberals" as he's done before. He's going to say that we don't have access to our brain faculties.

Not all of us are even involved in the American political spectrum, per se. In the UK, I was conservative. In the US, I'm unaffiliated.

It's a kind of ad hominem - to try to disprove any argument by attacking the alleged 'liberal' credentials of the opposition.

[Samuraikoku]

Not to mention, labeling us all as "liberals" as he's done before. He's going to say that we don't have access to our brain faculties.

Not all of us are even involved in the American political spectrum, per se. In the UK, I was conservative. In the US, I'm unaffiliated.

It's a kind of ad hominem - to try to disprove any argument by attacking the alleged 'liberal' credentials of the opposition.

I don't care about any politics.

[Grave_n_idle]

The question of biology or psychology is irrelevant.

The Constitution doesn't allow me to discriminate against your religion any more than what you have in your pants. Constitutional protection is not necessarily contingent on 'choice'.

So, even if you were right about homosexuality being a choice, you're wrong about how the Constitution must treat it.

I can definitely see where you're coming from with that approach. But the fact remains that a large number of people are against homosexuality, and have logical arguments against it.

Popularity is also not a Constitutional factor. The Constitution was designed explicitly that it be so, that tyranny of the majority be avoided.

I've yet to see a single logical argument against homosexuality that holds up.

[Arumdaum]

Thankfully, we here have a constitutional ban on such travesty of an ancient and time-honored ritual. I don't mind deviants buggering each other in privacy if that's how they like it, but for the love of all gods, keep it away from marriage and children! It's not about rights, but rather about respect - folks who want to make a mockery out of a sacred ritual show disrespect to the rest of society by proclaiming their "rights" and desires above those of the normal majority.

Since our constitution was amended at the will of the people to ban same-sex marriage, any sodomites that have a problem with that are more than welcome to leave for a country that is willing to tolerate their demands.

What country do you live in?

[Samuraikoku]

I've yet to see a single logical argument against homosexuality that holds up.

Let me guess, "queering doesn't make the world work". (Ultimate Warrior dixit)

I'm guessing that's what we'll be hearing next.

[Marlboro Kid]

You can't compare things morally incorrect to something that, in my opinion, homosexuals have a choice in. There is NO evidence that homosexuality is biological or genetic, so I have the right to say that I believe it is psychological. Do not attack me for saying so.

I don't know, I think both are possible.

Sometimes I just recognize many gays (but not all) just by looking to their face. I'm not talking about their hip and fancy haircut or stylish clothes (some gays don't have stylish haircuts or clothes at all) but about their physiognomy.
It suggests there's something genetic.

However, I'm pretty sure that some gays aren't real gay, but gay due the circumstances. Think about soldiers, inmates, ...
It suggests that a psychological factor could play a role too.

It’s not that important. What we should do is respect their being.

[Grave_n_idle]

I've yet to see a single logical argument against homosexuality that holds up.

Let me guess, "queering doesn't make the world work". (Ultimate Warrior dixit)

I'm guessing that's what we'll be hearing next.

"If we were all gay, there'd be no more people" is a popular one. Which ignores the fact, of course, that even lesbians can have babies.

[Moon Cows]

I would certainly enjoy to see all of you defending your opinion against people against gay marriage. You gather here because it makes you feel like there are many of you, it makes you feel stronger. This is the internet, guys. You wouldn't stand a chance arguing this by yourself, any one of you, like I am right now. I feel your opinion is as worthless as you feel mine. I put up a fair fight, sorry that I could not answer all of you, but I don't have any of similar view coming to rescue me from a lost debate. So, now I give up, not because I feel defeated, but because standing alone is not as easy as it looks. Have fun debating with. . each other?

[Samuraikoku]

Let me guess, "queering doesn't make the world work". (Ultimate Warrior dixit)

I'm guessing that's what we'll be hearing next.

"If we were all gay, there'd be no more people" is a popular one. Which ignores the fact, of course, that even lesbians can have babies.

"Queering doesn't make the world work" implies exactly that argument.

[Grave_n_idle]

I don't mind deviants buggering each other in privacy if that's how they like it, but for the love of all gods, keep it away from marriage and children! It's not about rights, but rather about respect...

Bullshit argument. Fuck 'respect'.

'Respect' does not trump the Constitution.

[Venaly]

I know a few other gay Christians. Cool people.

Actually, they are lying when they define themselves as Christians. If you are a non-repenting sinner, you cannot preach to others the Word of God. It would be hypocritical. Homosexuals are not Christians, because they do not follow the Bible.

Actually, those who don't accept other people are the ones who are lying about being Christian. The word Christian came from people noticing that the followers of Chris were "Christ- like". That implies that you act like Christ. If Jesus can accept a whore and save her from being stoned to death, if he can accept the Samarian woman at the well (which were the issues back in that day), then Christians today should be accepting of gay people. Would Jesus discriminate? Well, because of all the evidence in the Bible, I believe that he wouldn't. And a true Christian would know that. I'm bisexual, and I'm a true Christian.

[Samuraikoku]

I would certainly enjoy to see all of you defending your opinion against people against gay marriage. You gather here because it makes you feel like there are many of you, it makes you feel stronger. This is the internet, guys. You wouldn't stand a chance arguing this by yourself, any one of you, like I am right now. I feel your opinion is as worthless as you feel mine. I put up a fair fight, sorry that I could not answer all of you, but I don't have any of similar view coming to rescue me from a lost debate. So, now I give up, not because I feel defeated, but because standing alone is not as easy as it looks. Have fun debating with. . each other?

Meaning, you lost the fight.

AND THE WINNER BY TECHNICAL KNOCKOUT, THE ITALIAN STALLION... ROOOOOOOCKYYYYYYYYY... BALBOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAA!!!

[Grave_n_idle]

I would certainly enjoy to see all of you defending your opinion against people against gay marriage. You gather here because it makes you feel like there are many of you, it makes you feel stronger.

I make these same arguments in rural Georgia, where your prejudices are certainly far more well represented.

I 'gather here' because NS arguably has the best debate forums I've been on. I enjoy the challenge.

[Ceannairceach]

Thankfully, we here have a constitutional ban on such travesty of an ancient and time-honored ritual.

You mean a ritual that, in actual ancient times, allowed for Nero to marry a man?

I don't mind deviants buggering each other in privacy if that's how they like it, but for the love of all gods, keep it away from marriage and children!

Why? It isn't a disease; It can't spread through contact.

It's not about rights,

Wrong, but lets see where this goes.

but rather about respect - folks who want to make a mockery out of a sacred ritual show disrespect to the rest of society by proclaiming their "rights" and desires above those of the normal majority.

No, its you and those who wish to deny equal marriage rights to those who aren't exactly the same as you who are showing disrespect. This said, I hardly think allowing for equal rights will harm the "majority" in any way.

Since our constitution was amended at the will of the people to ban same-sex marriage, any sodomites that have a problem with that are more than welcome to leave for a country that is willing to tolerate their demands.

Or they can change your idiotic constitution. That'd be preferable. It won't harm you none, anyway.

[Samuraikoku]

I would certainly enjoy to see all of you defending your opinion against people against gay marriage. You gather here because it makes you feel like there are many of you, it makes you feel stronger.

It's because of people like us than Argentina now has gay marriage. And mind you... I'm an attorney.

YO ADRIAN, WE DID IT!

[Ceannairceach]

I would certainly enjoy to see all of you defending your opinion against people against gay marriage. You gather here because it makes you feel like there are many of you, it makes you feel stronger. This is the internet, guys. You wouldn't stand a chance arguing this by yourself, any one of you, like I am right now. I feel your opinion is as worthless as you feel mine. I put up a fair fight, sorry that I could not answer all of you, but I don't have any of similar view coming to rescue me from a lost debate. So, now I give up, not because I feel defeated, but because standing alone is not as easy as it looks. Have fun debating with. . each other?

Or, perhaps you are giving up because your opinion is idiotic and wrong, and the majority of people are on the side of "for LGBT rights" because it is right.

[Marlboro Kid]

I would certainly enjoy to see all of you defending your opinion against people against gay marriage. You gather here because it makes you feel like there are many of you, it makes you feel stronger. This is the internet, guys. You wouldn't stand a chance arguing this by yourself, any one of you, like I am right now. I feel your opinion is as worthless as you feel mine. I put up a fair fight, sorry that I could not answer all of you, but I don't have any of similar view coming to rescue me from a lost debate. So, now I give up, not because I feel defeated, but because standing alone is not as easy as it looks. Have fun debating with. . each other?

Meaning, you lost the fight.

AND THE WINNER BY TECHNICAL KNOCKOUT, THE ITALIAN STALLION... ROOOOOOOCKYYYYYYYYY... BALBOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAA!!!

It's not about winning or losing. It would be wiser if you try to learn how other people think differently. Doesn't mean you have to share their idea's.

[Deppreeve]

What do you think about gay marriage? Personally gays (the stereotypical flamer) annoy the living crap out of me, but I also think that it's plain wrong For the government to decide who you can and cannot marry.

I think that you should be allowed to marry whom you love, regardless. I agree that the government should have no say in it.

[Moon Cows]

It's because of people like us than Argentina now has gay marriage. And mind you... I'm an attorney.

And mind you, I'm a 14 year old who just put up a better argument than many of you. Sorry if I 'lost'. .

[Samuraikoku]

Or, perhaps you are giving up because your opinion is idiotic and wrong, and the majority of people are on the side of "for LGBT rights" because it is right.

Don't feed the hit and run, friend. You're giving him the "oh I'm in numerical inferiority! These mean people are ganging up on me!" excuse.

[Samuraikoku]

It's because of people like us than Argentina now has gay marriage. And mind you... I'm an attorney.

And mind you, I'm a 14 year old who just put up a better argument than many of you. Sorry if I 'lost'. .

You certainly didn't answer to Grave n idle and me, friend.

[EvilDarkMagicians]

Have fun debating with. . each other?

The anti-gay marriage crowd comes by the truck load.