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Marlboro Kid
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Postby Marlboro Kid » Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:02 am

Spanionte wrote:
Tubbsalot wrote:Oh, hush up. We all know a gay when we see them, and you are a huge raging gay. There's nothing wrong with that.


God knows im not gay plus i always tell the truth!!!


God doesn't even know your name.

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Postby Samuraikoku » Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:03 am

Moon Cows wrote:You can't compare things morally incorrect to something that, in my opinion, homosexuals have a choice in. There is NO evidence that homosexuality is biological or genetic, so I have the right to say that I believe it is psychological. Do not attack me for saying so.


If it's psychological, homosexuals don't have a choice. Nor do they want to.

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Postby Moon Cows » Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:03 am

Grave_n_idle wrote:
Moon Cows wrote:
You can't compare things morally incorrect to something that, in my opinion, homosexuals have a choice in. There is NO evidence that homosexuality is biological or genetic, so I have the right to say that I believe it is psychological. Do not attack me for saying so.


Complete failure to address the post. Well done.


I was comparing it to things like slavery, emancipation, suffrage, etc. If that is complete failure, then you can't read.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:03 am

Moon Cows wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:
Complete failure to address the post. Well done.


I was comparing it to things like slavery, emancipation, suffrage, etc. If that is complete failure, then you can't read.


Trolling. Well done.
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Postby Moon Cows » Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:04 am

Samuraikoku wrote:
Moon Cows wrote:You can't compare things morally incorrect to something that, in my opinion, homosexuals have a choice in. There is NO evidence that homosexuality is biological or genetic, so I have the right to say that I believe it is psychological. Do not attack me for saying so.


If it's psychological, homosexuals don't have a choice. Nor do they want to.


But that also means that they can be fixed. YES, I worded it correctly. Fixed. Helped. Bettered.
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Postby Camerania » Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:04 am

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Tekania wrote:
One doesn't need to be married to produce children.

Gay couples can in fact have children, via adoption of surrogacy.

So your argument is meaningless drivel.

Also, marriage isn't even natural by itself. It's a man-made ceremony to unite two people who love each other together.


Exactly, why does the government even have to get involved? If people love each other and want to spend the rest of their lives together, then go ahead. Why do they need a piece of paper telling them they are going to?

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Postby Samuraikoku » Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:04 am

Moon Cows wrote:But that also means that they can be fixed. YES, I worded it correctly. Fixed. Helped. Bettered.


Why fix what isn't broke?

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Postby Tubbsalot » Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:05 am

Moon Cows wrote:You can't compare things morally incorrect to something that, in my opinion, homosexuals have a choice in. There is NO evidence that homosexuality is biological or genetic, so I have the right to say that I believe it is psychological. Do not attack me for saying so.

I don't know where to start here.

Firstly, of course you can compare it. They're both examples of policy not living up to the stipulations of the Constitution.
Secondly, your opinion is irrelevant; we know for a fact that sexuality isn't something most people have a choice in.
Third, there is plenty of evidence that homosexuality is biologically-based, and some evidence it's genetically-linked.
Fourth, even if you'd been right about #3, that wouldn't give you the authority to claim it was psychological - you have no evidence.

Fifth, this is a debate forum. If you have issues with being in a debate - don't participate. This should go without saying.
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Postby Moon Cows » Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:05 am

Samuraikoku wrote:
Moon Cows wrote:But that also means that they can be fixed. YES, I worded it correctly. Fixed. Helped. Bettered.


Why fix what isn't broke?

But in my eyes, that obviously see more clearly than yours, it is broken.
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:05 am

Samuraikoku wrote:
Moon Cows wrote:You can't compare things morally incorrect to something that, in my opinion, homosexuals have a choice in. There is NO evidence that homosexuality is biological or genetic, so I have the right to say that I believe it is psychological. Do not attack me for saying so.


If it's psychological, homosexuals don't have a choice. Nor do they want to.


It's a red herring argument anyway.

No one is 'born' Christian, but we still let them marry despite their 'choice'. Apparently, choices aren't necessarily exempted from Constitutional protection.

I'm actually beginning to think Moon Cows is doing the thankless task of pretending to believe all the arguments, just to give us an easy target to knock-down. Sort of strawman-for-hire.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:06 am

Tubbsalot wrote:Fifth, this is a debate forum. If you have issues with being in a debate - don't participate. This should go without saying.


He's done it before in an evolution thread. Hit'n'run if you ask me.

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Postby Ceannairceach » Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:06 am

Moon Cows wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
If it's psychological, homosexuals don't have a choice. Nor do they want to.


But that also means that they can be fixed. YES, I worded it correctly. Fixed. Helped. Bettered.

"Fixed" implies that something is broken, and in the case of sexuality, nothing is broken.

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Postby Salandriagado » Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:06 am

You're saying that polygamy, beastiality, and the like should be allowed?


To the former, yes, if all participants agree. To the latter, only if you can establish that the animal in question wants it.
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

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Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

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Postby Samuraikoku » Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:06 am

Moon Cows wrote:But in my eyes, that obviously see more clearly than yours, it is broken.


More trolling.

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Postby Ceannairceach » Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:07 am

Moon Cows wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
Why fix what isn't broke?

But in my eyes, that obviously see more clearly than yours, it is broken.

Ah, so you are a credited psychologist who has studied all the factors and have proven that it is a mental disorder, against common health opinion? May I ask where you studied?

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Postby Grave_n_idle » Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:08 am

Moon Cows wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:
Complete failure to address the post. Well done.


I was comparing it to things like slavery, emancipation, suffrage, etc. If that is complete failure, then you can't read.


The question of biology or psychology is irrelevant.

The Constitution doesn't allow me to discriminate against your religion any more than what you have in your pants. Constitutional protection is not necessarily contingent on 'choice'.

So, even if you were right about homosexuality being a choice, you're wrong about how the Constitution must treat it.
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Moon Cows
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Postby Moon Cows » Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:09 am

Ceannairceach wrote:
Moon Cows wrote:But in my eyes, that obviously see more clearly than yours, it is broken.

Ah, so you are a credited psychologist who has studied all the factors and have proven that it is a mental disorder, against common health opinion? May I ask where you studied?


No, I'm a Christian voicing their conservative opinions on a forum that is dominantly liberal. . . ?
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Postby Samuraikoku » Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:10 am

Moon Cows wrote:No, I'm a Christian voicing their conservative opinions on a forum that is dominantly liberal. . . ?


Got a problem with that?

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Postby Tubbsalot » Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:11 am

Moon Cows wrote:No, I'm a Christian voicing their conservative opinions on a forum that is dominantly liberal. . . ?

You're a Christian treating your opinions as fact.

You're going to be laughed out of every room you enter as long as you keep that up.
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Postby Ceannairceach » Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:11 am

Moon Cows wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:Ah, so you are a credited psychologist who has studied all the factors and have proven that it is a mental disorder, against common health opinion? May I ask where you studied?


No, I'm a Christian voicing their conservative opinions on a forum that is dominantly liberal. . . ?

Voicing opinions that are blatantly wrong, mind. And, as Grave pointed out, why does it matter if its a choice or not? Does that somehow null their right to act out on their choice when it harms no one and is consensual?

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Postby Grave_n_idle » Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:11 am

Moon Cows wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
Why fix what isn't broke?

But in my eyes, that obviously see more clearly than yours, it is broken.


That certainly seems to be your opinion.

But, as the old saying goes - opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one.

Why are you so obsessed with mine?

My opinion, I mean, obviously.
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Postby Norstal » Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:11 am

Moon Cows wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:Ah, so you are a credited psychologist who has studied all the factors and have proven that it is a mental disorder, against common health opinion? May I ask where you studied?


No, I'm a Christian voicing their conservative opinions on a forum that is dominantly liberal. . . ?

Your opinions don't mean shit to the Constitution.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:11 am

Tubbsalot wrote:You're a Christian treating your opinions as fact.

You're going to be laughed out of every room you enter as long as you keep that up.


Not to mention, labeling us all as "liberals" as he's done before. He's going to say that we don't have access to our brain faculties.

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Postby The Kangaroo Republic » Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:12 am

Tubbsalot wrote:
Moon Cows wrote:No, I'm a Christian voicing their conservative opinions on a forum that is dominantly liberal. . . ?

You're a Christian treating your opinions as fact.

You're going to be laughed out of every room you enter as long as you keep that up.

Except for a fundie church...
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:12 am

Moon Cows wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:Ah, so you are a credited psychologist who has studied all the factors and have proven that it is a mental disorder, against common health opinion? May I ask where you studied?


No, I'm a Christian voicing their conservative opinions on a forum that is dominantly liberal. . . ?


You can voice whatever opinion you like, wherever you like.

Just don't expect to be taken seriously.
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