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Postby Cthag-antil » Mon Jul 18, 2011 7:57 am

Samuraikoku wrote: I don't believe male homosexuals are any more prone to other group to contract HIV.


According to the statistical data your belief is erroneous.
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Postby Daircoill » Mon Jul 18, 2011 8:02 am

Cthag-antil wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote: I don't believe male homosexuals are any more prone to other group to contract HIV.


According to the statistical data your belief is erroneous.


However statistical data is not always the most reliable form of evidence. You can tweak any given statistic and use it to promote your own agenda without compromising the legitimacy of the statistic.
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Postby Furious Grandmothers » Mon Jul 18, 2011 8:06 am

Cthag-antil wrote:
Furious Grandmothers wrote:Admittedly, I have not been following the argument of you two (mind giving me a quick update if you wanna let me into the argument?), but even if 99% of the things that I bought for my room are brightly colored, logic and critical reasoning tells me that the proportion of brightly colored things I bought for my room has NO bearing at all on the probability that the next item I buy for my room will be brightly colored. I have 99% chance of finding an object in my room that I bought to be brightly colored. However, the probability does not carry over into what you do in the future. It is only relevant to the PRESENT set of items you bought for your room.


It does have bearing on what you will buy obviously...
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Cthag-antil wrote:compared to me you are more likely to buy coloured things than I am...and that likelihood can be calculated as a probability.
No. You are assuming too much that a pattern that occurred in the past will continue to recur into the future.
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So homosexual males whom contract HIV more readily than any other demographic...show that demographic to be more vulnerable to HIV infection than other demographics...thus the next gay male I meet has a higher chance (probability) of being HIV positive than the next gay female I meet.
By extension of the above analogy, this is false. That something has been happening in the past doesn't mean it will continue to happen into the future. Circumstances constantly evolve, nullifying the predicative power of probability. Moreover, the contexts of each and every person, or for the purposes of your argument, gay person, are very different.
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What is it about this simple concept that you all find so terribly difficult to understand?
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Postby Samuraikoku » Mon Jul 18, 2011 8:14 am

Daircoill wrote:
Cthag-antil wrote:
According to the statistical data your belief is erroneous.


However statistical data is not always the most reliable form of evidence. You can tweak any given statistic and use it to promote your own agenda without compromising the legitimacy of the statistic.


This is what I meant, thank you for clarifying.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Mon Jul 18, 2011 9:31 am

Cthag-antil wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote: I don't believe male homosexuals are any more prone to other group to contract HIV.


According to the statistical data your belief is erroneous.


It was in the past. It isn't nowadays.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Mon Jul 18, 2011 9:31 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Cthag-antil wrote:
According to the statistical data your belief is erroneous.


It was in the past. It isn't nowadays.


Not to mention that particular detail, yes.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Jul 18, 2011 9:37 am

Cthag-antil wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote: I don't believe male homosexuals are any more prone to other group to contract HIV.


According to the statistical data your belief is erroneous.

Not really, no. As I've said before, correlation doesn't imply causation. If there is a greater proportion of homosexuals who are HIV positive than heterosexuals, that doesn't mean that being homosexual somehow makes you more prone to HIV infection. There are such things as coincidences, you know.
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Postby Furious Grandmothers » Mon Jul 18, 2011 9:51 am

Ifreann wrote:
Cthag-antil wrote:
According to the statistical data your belief is erroneous.

Not really, no. As I've said before, correlation doesn't imply causation. If there is a greater proportion of homosexuals who are HIV positive than heterosexuals, that doesn't mean that being homosexual somehow makes you more prone to HIV infection. There are such things as coincidences, you know.

Somewhat related to my point, which Cthag-antil doesn't seem to be getting too.
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Postby Cthag-antil » Mon Jul 18, 2011 2:48 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Cthag-antil wrote:
According to the statistical data your belief is erroneous.

Not really, no. As I've said before, correlation doesn't imply causation. If there is a greater proportion of homosexuals who are HIV positive than heterosexuals, that doesn't mean that being homosexual somehow makes you more prone to HIV infection. There are such things as coincidences, you know.


Words fail me.

It means that being male and homosexual makes you vulnerable to HIV infection...for some reason...although I have my suspicions as to what that reason could be.

It is no coincidence...that is like saying people who play rugby/football seem to sustain more injuries than those playing lawn bowls (or tennis or golf etc) regularly for reasons that have nothing to with playing rugy/football.

Homosexuality is a sexual preference identity....HIV is a sexually transmitted disease....homosexual men are more at risk from HIV infection than say any other demographic....hmmm there is some kind of connection there I just can't put my finger on.... :blink:

*Warning this post may contain traces of sarcasm
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Postby Cthag-antil » Mon Jul 18, 2011 2:48 pm

Furious Grandmothers wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Not really, no. As I've said before, correlation doesn't imply causation. If there is a greater proportion of homosexuals who are HIV positive than heterosexuals, that doesn't mean that being homosexual somehow makes you more prone to HIV infection. There are such things as coincidences, you know.

Somewhat related to my point, which Cthag-antil doesn't seem to be getting too.


Got to it...see above....
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Postby Cthag-antil » Mon Jul 18, 2011 2:50 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
Cthag-antil wrote:
According to the statistical data your belief is erroneous.


It was in the past. It isn't nowadays.


Says you?
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Postby Khakodesia » Mon Jul 18, 2011 2:51 pm

I am in favor of same-sex marriage and I am a bisexual.
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Postby Cthag-antil » Mon Jul 18, 2011 2:56 pm

Khakodesia wrote:I am in favor of same-sex marriage and I am a bisexual.


How lovely for you. :)
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Postby Mizuni » Mon Jul 18, 2011 2:57 pm

What happens between consenting adults is not the government's bushiness.
Any union between two or more consenting adults should be legal.
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Postby Ceannairceach » Mon Jul 18, 2011 2:57 pm

What does all this HIV talk have to do with gay marriage?

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Postby Vermmeria » Mon Jul 18, 2011 2:59 pm

Gravonia wrote:I'm against it myself as I prefer women.

Everyone else can marry whoever the fuck they like as far as I'm concerned.


I'd like to marry your flag.
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Postby Cthag-antil » Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:00 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:What does all this HIV talk have to do with gay marriage?


I dont know why what business is it of yours?
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Postby New Lusitaniagrad » Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:00 pm

I'm Catholic so...
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New Lusitaniagrad wrote:I'm Catholic so...


Yes?
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Postby Ceannairceach » Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:03 pm

Cthag-antil wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:What does all this HIV talk have to do with gay marriage?


I dont know why what business is it of yours?

Other than the fact that the topic is gay marriage, not if homosexuals are more likely to contract HIV or not, and this is a public forum?

...

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Postby Cthag-antil » Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:05 pm

Mizuni wrote:Any union between two or more consenting adults should be legal.


Unfortunately I have to agree...no matter how revolting one finds the activities of others...its their lives and I wouldnt care to have someone tell me what I can and cant do with my body...I am using it.

Do what you like to each other just dont expect me to applaud. ;)
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Postby Cthag-antil » Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:07 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
Cthag-antil wrote:
I dont know why what business is it of yours?

Other than the fact that the topic is gay marriage, not if homosexuals are more likely to contract HIV or not, and this is a public forum?

...


Really....how tragic for you.
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Postby Terra Mariana » Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:09 pm

Page 141 and still no conclusion. Guess that's what these forums are for...

I think gay marriage is wrong for the simple reason that man is not supposed to be another man's wife. That's what women are for. Likewise, a man is not supposed to bang another man in the rear (or a girl do another girl), because that's why there is an opposite sex. Everything is supposed to be in harmonious opposites (yin/yang), and in the animal kingdom, those creatures that for whatever reason break this principle suffer the penalty of not passing their genes to the new generation.

There, said it. Hope this stirs up a fuss, otherwise it looks the action has died down a bit.
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Postby Ceannairceach » Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:10 pm

Cthag-antil wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:Other than the fact that the topic is gay marriage, not if homosexuals are more likely to contract HIV or not, and this is a public forum?

...


Really....how tragic for you.

Any reason you are patronizing me, besides an attempt to cover for your derailing of the original topic?

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Postby Cthag-antil » Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:10 pm

Terra Mariana wrote:Page 141 and still no conclusion. Guess that's what these forums are for...

I think gay marriage is wrong for the simple reason that man is not supposed to be another man's wife. That's what women are for. Likewise, a man is not supposed to bang another man in the rear (or a girl do another girl), because that's why there is an opposite sex. Everything is supposed to be in harmonious opposites (yin/yang), and in the animal kingdom, those creatures that for whatever reason break this principle suffer the penalty of not passing their genes to the new generation.

There, said it. Hope this stirs up a fuss, otherwise it looks the action has died down a bit.



I dont agree with any of the above.
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