Your stance on gay marriage

[The Black Forrest]

Why the hell shouldn't they marry?

Indeed.

Doesn't that remove them from the breeding pool?

[Grave_n_idle]

i don't care
but if i was forced to voice my opinion, it's really up to the individual religious leader to marry them

So Atheists can't marry?

[Guernseyland]

I agree that gay marriage is not wrong or anything. It is as right as straight marriage, and anyone who thinks otherwise is discriminating. However, it's the churchs desicion if they want to preform it. If it gets in the way of your religion, that religion sucks. Reform.

[Ceannairceach]

i don't care
but if i was forced to voice my opinion, it's really up to the individual religious leader to marry them

It isn't a religious decision; Marriage occurs through the state.

[Ceannairceach]

I agree that gay marriage is not wrong or anything. It is as right as straight marriage, and anyone who thinks otherwise is discriminating. However, it's the churchs desicion if they want to preform it. If it gets in the way of your religion, that religion sucks. Reform.

See above post of mine.

[Guernseyland]

Athiests can marry. I would know 'cause I am one.

[Farnhamia]

Athiests can marry. I would know 'cause I am one.

Perhaps but are they really happy without Baby Jesus in their lives?

[Norstal]

Why the hell shouldn't they marry?

Indeed.

Doesn't that remove them from the breeding pool?

I support gay marriage because it means more women for me and other women. *nods*

[The Alma Mater]

Why are you against the revision of the word "marriage"?

because it is my belief. That word is holy in most religions and being a respectful agnostic to my religious friends, I see good reason why it shouldn't be revised. I have no problem with two people being together but not under "marriage".

You are aware that there are RELIGIONS out there that define marriage as "the union of one older man to many girls of 9 years or older", "the transfer of ownership of a woman from a father to her husband" etc ?

The holiness of marriage was destroyed by religion millenia ago - and your religious friends don't whine about THAT

[Connopolis]

What I meant is, it is no business of the state to judge consenting adults who are not harming one another. That is what is private about it. Being open about your sexuality doesn't mean you talk about it ALL the time and that it is the only defining characteristic about you.

I agree. The state should not judge relationships between (sometimes among) consenting adults. I simply don't understand why legal recognition of those relationships is necessary. Maybe the best compromise would be eliminating civil marriage all together (though, it's highly unlikely).

So... As opposed to legalizing gay marriage, let's just scrap the whole idea of civil marriage, there were no benefits or anything. Oh wait, civil marriages do have benefits! How could I forget?

[Tsal-Kar]

I don't give a damn who marries who. You want to marry your same-sex partner? Go ahead, see if I care. Hell, I really don't care about polygamy, either - basically, the government should stay out of marriage

[Dusk_Kittens]

i don't care
but if i was forced to voice my opinion, it's really up to the individual religious leader to marry them

I agree that gay marriage is not wrong or anything. It is as right as straight marriage, and anyone who thinks otherwise is discriminating. However, it's the churchs desicion if they want to preform it. If it gets in the way of your religion, that religion sucks. Reform.

See, again, the ambiguity of the word "marriage" in common use.

When you say "Wedding," most people with any rudimentary grasp of the English language understand right away that you're referring to a ceremony/ritual and reception. "Marriage," however, can mean either that same event, OR it can refer to the state of being married.

Advocates of legal recognition for same-sex marriage are not calling for clergy to be forced to perform wedding ceremonies.

"Marriage" in the discussion of same-sex marriage refers to the state of being married, in legal terms, not in religious terms. It has nothing to do with religion at all.

[Connopolis]

I don't give a damn who marries who. You want to marry your same-sex partner? Hell, I really don't care about polygamy, either - basically, the government should stay out of marriage

Now I'm straight, but why should the government have the right to limit something so trivial. Their job is to protect their citizens, not limiting their rights. Gay marriage is harmless, and if anything promotes equality.

[The Alma Mater]

I don't give a damn who marries who. You want to marry your same-sex partner? Go ahead, see if I care. Hell, I really don't care about polygamy, either - basically, the government should stay out of marriage

So you do not like having visiting rights for your sick partner when they are in hospital ? You do not like to be able to speak on their behalf and be listened to if needed ? You in fact do not like any of the 1000+ legal benefits marriage gives ?

Ohwell. Let us get the government out then. Because if you do not care about those benefits and rights, noone does. Right ?

[Dyakovo]

This sentence seems to imply you think the government wants to do that. Can you give an example ?
Apologies if you already posted that, I have not read all posts yet.

The statement implies that some people in this thread are insisting that a legal definition of Legal Marriage" needs to include one or both of the following descriptors: "wholly secular" and/or "not religious."

No one has said that.

[Dyakovo]

Anyone else getting sick of "lolz, being married is torment" jokes?

Yup.

[Dyakovo]

I trust you understand that this makes you come off as either a child or an unrepentant bigot.

Nah, I could carry out a good arguement but I don't feel like it...

Uh-huh... Sure you could.

[Dyakovo]

i don't care
but if i was forced to voice my opinion, it's really up to the individual religious leader to marry them

Why should it be left up to a religious leader? Marriage is a secular institution.

[Samuraikoku]

i don't care
but if i was forced to voice my opinion, it's really up to the individual religious leader to marry them

Why should it be left up to a religious leader? Marriage is a secular institution.

Goddamnit, how hard can that simple concept be to grasp? (Dusk_Kittens, this is not meant for you, by the way).

[Cthag-antil]

60% of the things in my room are brightly colored. Does this mean the next thing I buy will be brightly colored, regardless of what it is?

It means that your things are 'mostly' brightly coloured...I can thus extrapolate from that that you will be more likely to buy coloured things in the future than someone like me who has no (0%) brightly coloured things at all. (Unless you count flowers in the garden)

Assuming you paid for (choose) all the things brightly coloured or otherwise in your house.


Your argument is also demonstratebly erroneous and laughable in addition to what I have already said.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probability

Might help you...

[Cthag-antil]

Statistics do not work that way. I was very clear on my reasoning for why your extrapolation was poor, but you ignored it and insulted me. I'm left to figure you don't understand statistics, or can only resort to insults when you have no arguments left. So how about this... you can try to regain some of your maturity and we can treat this like adults. Or you can continue to be childish, I guess, I can't force you into anything.

How about you address the error of your thinking first?

Then we can discuss my shortcomings.

As for forcing me into anything that would be entirely impossible.

I have plenty of arguments left...I simply have run out of ways explaining probability to you...however I would relish the opportunity to further illuminate the discontinuity of your logic....I stand by what I have said in total utter and complete confidence.

[Cthag-antil]

No, I said nothing special could be extrapolated. I can see you're getting frustrated now and have resorted to insults, and putting words in my mouth (you realize how pointless that is on a forum where you can look up the other persons words?). For someone big on honor, calling someone a coward is a pretty big insult, you should be ashamed, or is your honor meaningless?

60% of the things in my room are brightly colored. Does this mean the next thing I buy will be brightly colored, regardless of what it is?

Statistics do not work that way. I was very clear on my reasoning for why your extrapolation was poor, but you ignored it and insulted me. I'm left to figure you don't understand statistics, or can only resort to insults when you have no arguments left. So how about this... you can try to regain some of your maturity and we can treat this like adults. Or you can continue to be childish, I guess, I can't force you into anything.

Enadail...you are SO my new best friend.

The enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend.....

[Cthag-antil]

For someone big on honor, calling someone a coward is a pretty big insult, you should be ashamed, or is your honor meaningless?

If the cap fits and the argument is cowardly...which it clearly is...then I am sorry but there is nothing I can do.

I however was not implying that you personally are a coward.

Just your absurd argument is cowardly as it avoids any unpleasent rammifications with scarcely concealed sophistry.

[Desperate Measures]

Maybe all these people "not understanding" that this is not about forcing churches to marry same sex couples, really do understand. Maybe they just want to change the argument so that it makes it ok in their religion to stop living the lie. The only one who could really teach me, thinks Hank, is the son of a preacher man. The only one who could ever reach me, he reflects, was the son if a preacher man. Oh, yes he was. Oh yes, he was.

[Globexanter]

It's very simple: Don't like Gay Couples? Well, stop being a moaner and stop thinking about it and continue your daily and usual life.