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Postby Christian Democrats » Sun Jun 26, 2011 11:53 am

Euroslavia wrote:Damn those gays, with their superior fashion sense, their impeccable work ethic, and their incredibly amazing ability to dance to any song and make it look good.

:lol2: (Poor quality video)

Placeburg wrote:What do you think about gay marriage?

Since when did marriage become a right? Last time I checked, civil marriage was a privilege conferred by the state on heterosexual couples to promote procreation (i.e., continuation of the state itself).
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Postby Mektar » Sun Jun 26, 2011 11:56 am

Risottia wrote:
Mektar wrote:In my opinion, I should be able to marry my computer if it can give consent and I can find a religious figure who will perform the ceremony. It shouldn't impact me legally, though.

Why a religious figure? Now only priests can perform weddings? :eyebrow:

Because in my opinion, weddings and marriage should be a religious/spiritual venture, not a legal one.
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Postby Franco-Philia » Sun Jun 26, 2011 11:56 am

Christian Democrats wrote:
Euroslavia wrote:Damn those gays, with their superior fashion sense, their impeccable work ethic, and their incredibly amazing ability to dance to any song and make it look good.

:lol2: (Poor quality video)

Placeburg wrote:What do you think about gay marriage?

Since when did marriage become a right? Last time I checked, civil marriage was a privilege conferred by the state on heterosexual couples to promote procreation (i.e., continuation of the state itself).


Marriage confers with it many rights, including rights that have been laid out by our country (speaking from the U.S. here) regarding taxes, visitation, final wishes/living wills, etc.

And the state has never made procreation a requirement for marriage. If that were true sterile women and men would all be spouseless. As it stands, that is not the case.
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Postby Ferrond » Sun Jun 26, 2011 11:57 am

Mektar wrote:
Risottia wrote:Why a religious figure? Now only priests can perform weddings? :eyebrow:

Because in my opinion, weddings and marriage should be a religious/spiritual venture, not a legal one.


Sorry then, but no you can't marry your computer! :rofl:
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Postby Franco-Philia » Sun Jun 26, 2011 11:58 am

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Risottia wrote:Why a religious figure? Now only priests can perform weddings? :eyebrow:

Because in my opinion, weddings and marriage should be a religious/spiritual venture, not a legal one.



So what should nonreligious and nonspiritual people do if they want to marry?
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Postby Ceannairceach » Sun Jun 26, 2011 11:58 am

Ferrond wrote:
Mektar wrote:Because in my opinion, weddings and marriage should be a religious/spiritual venture, not a legal one.


Sorry them but no you can't marry your computer! :rofl:

If it can consent and he can find a religious figure who will do so, then he can get religiously married. In the state's opinion, on the other hand...

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Postby Christian Democrats » Sun Jun 26, 2011 11:59 am

Franco-Philia wrote:
Christian Democrats wrote:Since when did marriage become a right? Last time I checked, civil marriage was a privilege conferred by the state on heterosexual couples to promote procreation (i.e., continuation of the state itself).


Marriage confers with it many rights, including rights that have been laid out by our country (speaking from the U.S. here) regarding taxes, visitation, final wishes/living wills, etc.

And the state has never made procreation a requirement for marriage. If that were true sterile women and men would all be spouseless. As it stands, that is not the case.

Fertility is a matter of privacy, which is why it would be wrong for the state to preclude sterile couples from obtaining civil marriages.
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Postby Ceannairceach » Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:00 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
Franco-Philia wrote:
Marriage confers with it many rights, including rights that have been laid out by our country (speaking from the U.S. here) regarding taxes, visitation, final wishes/living wills, etc.

And the state has never made procreation a requirement for marriage. If that were true sterile women and men would all be spouseless. As it stands, that is not the case.

Fertility is a matter of privacy, which is why it would be wrong for the state to preclude sterile couples from obtaining civil marriages.

Point being? Fact is, fertility is not a perquisite for marriage. Meaning, your point about "promoting procreation" is moot.

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Postby Franco-Philia » Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:00 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
Franco-Philia wrote:
Marriage confers with it many rights, including rights that have been laid out by our country (speaking from the U.S. here) regarding taxes, visitation, final wishes/living wills, etc.

And the state has never made procreation a requirement for marriage. If that were true sterile women and men would all be spouseless. As it stands, that is not the case.

FertilitySexuality is a matter of privacy, which is why it would be wrong for the state to preclude sterile gay and lesbiancouples from obtaining civil marriages.


Fixed that for ya.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:00 pm

Lunatic Goofballs wrote:I'm already happily married, thanks. :)

Sure, you've got a wife, but what about poor Mrs. Goofballs? Doesn't she get a wife?
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Postby Mektar » Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:03 pm

Franco-Philia wrote:
Mektar wrote:Because in my opinion, weddings and marriage should be a religious/spiritual venture, not a legal one.



So what should nonreligious and nonspiritual people do if they want to marry?

Well, if you don't believe in a diety, you don't need said diety's permission to love each other or do it with each other, do you?
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Postby Ferrond » Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:04 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:
Ferrond wrote:
Sorry them but no you can't marry your computer! :rofl:

If it can consent and he can find a religious figure who will do so, then he can get religiously married. In the state's opinion, on the other hand...


Please inform me when you find such a crazy priest! I'd pull pranks on him for years!

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Postby Franco-Philia » Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:04 pm

Mektar wrote:
Franco-Philia wrote:

So what should nonreligious and nonspiritual people do if they want to marry?

Well, if you don't believe in a diety, you don't need said diety's permission to love each other or do it with each other, do you?


Yeah, but we'd still like all the legal benefits, please and thank you.
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Postby Christian Democrats » Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:06 pm

Franco-Philia wrote:
Christian Democrats wrote:FertilitySexuality is a matter of privacy, which is why it would be wrong for the state to preclude sterile gay and lesbiancouples from obtaining civil marriages.


Fixed that for ya.

If you're trying to marry, then sexual orientation really isn't that private (unless you're a closeted homosexual marrying someone of the opposite sex, which really isn't that uncommon).
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Postby Niur » Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:06 pm

Franco-Philia wrote:
Mektar wrote:Well, if you don't believe in a diety, you don't need said diety's permission to love each other or do it with each other, do you?


Yeah, but we'd still like all the legal benefits, please and thank you.

Also, if were allowed to be legally married, people in schools that teach abstinance only and are gay will actually be able to have sex.
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Postby Franco-Philia » Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:08 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
Franco-Philia wrote:
Fixed that for ya.

If you're trying to marry, then sexual orientation really isn't that private (unless you're a closeted homosexual marrying someone of the opposite sex, which really isn't that uncommon).


What I meant is, it is no business of the state to judge consenting adults who are not harming one another. That is what is private about it. Being open about your sexuality doesn't mean you talk about it ALL the time and that it is the only defining characteristic about you.
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Postby Christian Democrats » Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:09 pm

Niur wrote:
Franco-Philia wrote:
Yeah, but we'd still like all the legal benefits, please and thank you.

Also, if were allowed to be legally married, people in schools that teach abstinance only and are gay will actually be able to have sex.

:blink: The key to ending teenage pregnancy is that everyone should be gay? :lol2:
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GA#160: Forced Marriages Ban Act (79%)
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SC#082: Repeal "Liberate Catholic" (80%)
GA#200: Foreign Marriage Recognition (54%)
GA#213: Privacy Protection Act (70%)
GA#231: Marital Rape Justice Act (81%)^
GA#233: Ban Profits on Workers' Deaths (80%)*
GA#249: Stopping Suicide Seeds (70%)^
GA#253: Repeal "Freedom in Medical Research" (76%)
GA#285: Assisted Suicide Act (70%)^
GA#310: Disabled Voters Act (81%)
GA#373: Repeal "Convention on Execution" (54%)
GA#468: Prohibit Private Prisons (57%)^

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Postby Ifreann » Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:10 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:Since when did marriage become a right?

In the US, a fair while ago.
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Postby Niur » Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:11 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
Niur wrote:Also, if were allowed to be legally married, people in schools that teach abstinance only and are gay will actually be able to have sex.

:blink: The key to ending teenage pregnancy is that everyone should be gay? :lol2:

Excellent! This would be perfect!
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I am pro-gay marriage and gay rights.
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Postby Christian Democrats » Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:13 pm

Franco-Philia wrote:
Christian Democrats wrote:If you're trying to marry, then sexual orientation really isn't that private (unless you're a closeted homosexual marrying someone of the opposite sex, which really isn't that uncommon).


What I meant is, it is no business of the state to judge consenting adults who are not harming one another. That is what is private about it. Being open about your sexuality doesn't mean you talk about it ALL the time and that it is the only defining characteristic about you.

I agree. The state should not judge relationships between (sometimes among) consenting adults. I simply don't understand why legal recognition of those relationships is necessary. Maybe the best compromise would be eliminating civil marriage all together (though, it's highly unlikely).
Leo Tolstoy wrote:Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.
GA#160: Forced Marriages Ban Act (79%)
GA#175: Organ and Blood Donations Act (68%)^
SC#082: Repeal "Liberate Catholic" (80%)
GA#200: Foreign Marriage Recognition (54%)
GA#213: Privacy Protection Act (70%)
GA#231: Marital Rape Justice Act (81%)^
GA#233: Ban Profits on Workers' Deaths (80%)*
GA#249: Stopping Suicide Seeds (70%)^
GA#253: Repeal "Freedom in Medical Research" (76%)
GA#285: Assisted Suicide Act (70%)^
GA#310: Disabled Voters Act (81%)
GA#373: Repeal "Convention on Execution" (54%)
GA#468: Prohibit Private Prisons (57%)^

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Postby Franco-Philia » Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:15 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
Franco-Philia wrote:
What I meant is, it is no business of the state to judge consenting adults who are not harming one another. That is what is private about it. Being open about your sexuality doesn't mean you talk about it ALL the time and that it is the only defining characteristic about you.

I agree. The state should not judge relationships between (sometimes among) consenting adults. I simply don't understand why legal recognition of those relationships is necessary. Maybe the best compromise would be eliminating civil marriage all together (though, it's highly unlikely).


Because in Loving vs. Virginia (the above poster already mentioned this) Marriage was defined as a right in this country. Denying gays and lesbians marriage is denying them their rights. Legal recognition is needed because it comes with a ton of rights that gays and lesbians are being denied unfairly.
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Postby Distruzio » Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:16 pm

Euroslavia wrote:
Placeburg wrote:What do you think about gay marriage? Personally gays annoy the living crap out of me, but I also think that it's plain wrong For the government to decide who you can and cannot marry.


Damn those gays, with their superior fashion sense, their impeccable work ethic, and their incredibly amazing ability to dance to any song and make it look good.


This is spot on.

Also, I'm waiting for the federal gov't to get its head out of its ass and realize that having a position on marriage is unconstitutional.
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Postby Niur » Sun Jun 26, 2011 12:17 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
Franco-Philia wrote:
What I meant is, it is no business of the state to judge consenting adults who are not harming one another. That is what is private about it. Being open about your sexuality doesn't mean you talk about it ALL the time and that it is the only defining characteristic about you.

I agree. The state should not judge relationships between (sometimes among) consenting adults. I simply don't understand why legal recognition of those relationships is necessary. Maybe the best compromise would be eliminating civil marriage all together (though, it's highly unlikely).

That's seems kind of petty. "NOOO! I dont wanna share, I wannit all for myshelf! Fine! If I can't have it just for me, then nobody can have any of it!"
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