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Postby Kulverint » Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:07 pm

Greater Cabinda wrote:
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You seem physically unable to keep out of anyone else's wars.
Many of your people, when they visit other countries, go off on one to other people about how amazing America is, giving a strong impression of arrogance.

And every foreign exchange student that has ever been to my school has prattled on about how it's better in [insert Western European country here].

I don't see why they should receive special treatment.

I just said giving a strong impression. TBH it's mostly the people who seem unable to hear their own voices and shout out so everyone on the train carriage/aeroplane/bus (delete as applicable) can hear.

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Postby CREEEEEED » Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:07 pm

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CREEEEEED wrote: I believe they prefer the term Maoist, but it's essentially the same idea. Might also be a strategy to encourage investment by western businesses, and if so, a highly effective one.


Once again, it doesn't cover the economical reality of the China. You are merely attributing a token label, ignoring economical studies, outlook on lives of the citizens themselves - - - all in order to make a point, rather than LEARN. :eyebrow:


Very well. At the moment, China's economy is a hybrid between the state-controlled market typical of communism, and the free/mixed-market economies typical of the western world. It is heading towards the latter. At the moment, too much is controlled by the government to seriously view it as proper capitalism, therefore I am hesitant to call it such.
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Postby North Calaveras » Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:09 pm

Dukopolious wrote:if I was being arrogant I appologize for offending anyone (Other than North)
but in my defence at least my alledged arrogancecomes with fact rather than yours which came with petty opinion which you probably don;t know much about due to your terrible education system. Maybe if they gave your people some books insted of guns your country wouldn't have such a large rich-poor divide.
This was directed to North.


or directed towards every american lol
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Postby Galonica » Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:09 pm

Why not hate America? Your foreign policy is despicable and you can't even look after your own citizens right. But hey, your arms and oil corporations are some of the biggest around!


We can't look after our own citizens right, huh? Look at Asia, its history is a human rights violation, and continues to be that way. Other nations are full of corruption, and only look after tourists, and the elite. I'll admit, America has its faults (Texas, New Jersey, the Tea Party, Sarah Palin, GITMO, Abu Ghraib, etc.), but most of us are good people, and the people portrayed are only part of America.
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Postby Dukopolious » Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:11 pm

Well maybe because they didn't spend a wad of cash to travle around the world and spead american propoganda. There was speculation that the talabain wouldn't have attacked the WTC towers if the american population wasn't so arrogant. They say the attack would have been restriced to the pentagon.

Also the american population is extreamly arrgant due to patriotic propoganda. E.g. Uncle Sam.
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Postby Dukopolious » Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:12 pm

Galonica wrote:
Why not hate America? Your foreign policy is despicable and you can't even look after your own citizens right. But hey, your arms and oil corporations are some of the biggest around!


We can't look after our own citizens right, huh? Look at Asia, its history is a human rights violation, and continues to be that way. Other nations are full of corruption, and only look after tourists, and the elite. I'll admit, America has its faults (Texas, New Jersey, the Tea Party, Sarah Palin, GITMO, Abu Ghraib, etc.), but most of us are good people, and the people portrayed are only part of America.


He's right not every american is a deuchbag like north. Alot of them are nice people :D Just the ones who are screw all of america over.
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Postby North Calaveras » Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:13 pm

Dukopolious wrote:
Galonica wrote:
We can't look after our own citizens right, huh? Look at Asia, its history is a human rights violation, and continues to be that way. Other nations are full of corruption, and only look after tourists, and the elite. I'll admit, America has its faults (Texas, New Jersey, the Tea Party, Sarah Palin, GITMO, Abu Ghraib, etc.), but most of us are good people, and the people portrayed are only part of America.


He's right not every american is a deuchbag like north. Alot of them are nice people :D Just the ones who are screw all of america over.


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Postby Keronians » Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:14 pm

Galonica wrote:
Why not hate America? Your foreign policy is despicable and you can't even look after your own citizens right. But hey, your arms and oil corporations are some of the biggest around!


We can't look after our own citizens right, huh? Look at Asia, its history is a human rights violation, and continues to be that way. Other nations are full of corruption, and only look after tourists, and the elite. I'll admit, America has its faults (Texas, New Jersey, the Tea Party, Sarah Palin, GITMO, Abu Ghraib, etc.), but most of us are good people, and the people portrayed are only part of America.


I didn't realise that America wasn't full of corruption. That's news to me.
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Postby CREEEEEED » Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:18 pm

Galonica wrote:
Why not hate America? Your foreign policy is despicable and you can't even look after your own citizens right. But hey, your arms and oil corporations are some of the biggest around!


We can't look after our own citizens right, huh? Look at Asia, its history is a human rights violation, and continues to be that way. Other nations are full of corruption, and only look after tourists, and the elite. I'll admit, America has its faults (Texas, New Jersey, the Tea Party, Sarah Palin, GITMO, Abu Ghraib, etc.), but most of us are good people, and the people portrayed are only part of America.


None of us are saying that America is composed solely of bad people.

Equally, you can't say that the US looks after it's own citizens properly. Not with 13-17% of your people below the poverty line at any given time, and not with 40% living below that line at some point over any given decade. In the richest country on Earth, that's just goddamn ridiculous. Invest something in social welfare - although, on second thoughts, it does sound far too much like something Christ would actually do to have a chance of being done by any US administration.

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Dukopolious wrote:if I was being arrogant I appologize for offending anyone (Other than North)
but in my defence at least my alledged arrogancecomes with fact rather than yours which came with petty opinion which you probably don;t know much about due to your terrible education system. Maybe if they gave your people some books insted of guns your country wouldn't have such a large rich-poor divide.
This was directed to North.


or directed towards every american lol


Thankfully, you are not representative of every American, otherwise we could simply use you as the reason we hate America.
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Postby North Calaveras » Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:19 pm

CREEEEEED wrote:
Galonica wrote:
We can't look after our own citizens right, huh? Look at Asia, its history is a human rights violation, and continues to be that way. Other nations are full of corruption, and only look after tourists, and the elite. I'll admit, America has its faults (Texas, New Jersey, the Tea Party, Sarah Palin, GITMO, Abu Ghraib, etc.), but most of us are good people, and the people portrayed are only part of America.


None of us are saying that America is composed solely of bad people.

Equally, you can't say that the US looks after it's own citizens properly. Not with 13-17% of your people below the poverty line at any given time, and not with 40% living below that line at some point over any given decade. In the richest country on Earth, that's just goddamn ridiculous. Invest something in social welfare - although, on second thoughts, it does sound far too much like something Christ would actually do to have a chance of being done by any US administration.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in ... ted_States

North Calaveras wrote:
or directed towards every american lol


Thankfully, you are not representative of every American, otherwise we could simply use you as the reason we hate America.


Nope, but that statement was directed towards every American.
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Postby Dukopolious » Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:21 pm

CREEEEEED wrote:
Galonica wrote:
We can't look after our own citizens right, huh? Look at Asia, its history is a human rights violation, and continues to be that way. Other nations are full of corruption, and only look after tourists, and the elite. I'll admit, America has its faults (Texas, New Jersey, the Tea Party, Sarah Palin, GITMO, Abu Ghraib, etc.), but most of us are good people, and the people portrayed are only part of America.


None of us are saying that America is composed solely of bad people.

Equally, you can't say that the US looks after it's own citizens properly. Not with 13-17% of your people below the poverty line at any given time, and not with 40% living below that line at some point over any given decade. In the richest country on Earth, that's just goddamn ridiculous. Invest something in social welfare - although, on second thoughts, it does sound far too much like something Christ would actually do to have a chance of being done by any US administration.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in ... ted_States

North Calaveras wrote:
or directed towards every american lol


Thankfully, you are not representative of every American, otherwise we could simply use you as the reason we hate America.


:clap: Agreed :clap:

Also if I was flaming I appologize. I just was trying to make a point. Which I think has been made by the post above.
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Postby Greater Cabinda » Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:22 pm

Kulverint wrote:
Greater Cabinda wrote:And every foreign exchange student that has ever been to my school has prattled on about how it's better in [insert Western European country here].

I don't see why they should receive special treatment.

I just said giving a strong impression. TBH it's mostly the people who seem unable to hear their own voices and shout out so everyone on the train carriage/aeroplane/bus (delete as applicable) can hear.

So, everyone hates us because we talk loudly?

Have you ever been to the middle east? Oh, wait, everyone hates them too...
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Postby North Calaveras » Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:23 pm

Dukopolious wrote:
CREEEEEED wrote:
None of us are saying that America is composed solely of bad people.

Equally, you can't say that the US looks after it's own citizens properly. Not with 13-17% of your people below the poverty line at any given time, and not with 40% living below that line at some point over any given decade. In the richest country on Earth, that's just goddamn ridiculous. Invest something in social welfare - although, on second thoughts, it does sound far too much like something Christ would actually do to have a chance of being done by any US administration.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in ... ted_States



Thankfully, you are not representative of every American, otherwise we could simply use you as the reason we hate America.


:clap: Agreed :clap:

Also if I was flaming I appologize. I just was trying to make a point. Which I think has been made by the post above.


It's okay I'm used to people disagreeing with me by calling me a douche, or a nationalist asshole, or a right-wing extremist, ive been called a terrorist before to, even a christian conservative, its really odd.
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Postby CREEEEEED » Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:25 pm

Dukopolious wrote:if I was being arrogant I appologize for offending anyone (Other than North)
but in my defence at least my alledged arrogance comes with fact rather than yours which came with petty opinion which you probably don;t know much about due to your terrible education system. Maybe if they gave your people some books insted of guns your country wouldn't have such a large rich-poor divide.
This was directed to North.


North Calaveras wrote:
or directed towards every american lol


CREEEEEED wrote:Thankfully, you are not representative of every American, otherwise we could simply use you as the reason we hate America.


North Calaveras wrote:Nope, but that statement was directed towards every American.


He explicitly stated that it was directed specifically at you. You are not representative of every American, as we have just established. Therefore his statement was not directed at every American. Any American could, in theory, be offended by it in some way, but that's incidental.


Greater Cabinda wrote:So, everyone hates us because we talk loudly?

Have you ever been to the middle east? Oh, wait, everyone hates them too...


I don't hate people from the middle east. Nothing wrong with them - they have a bit of a sensitivity about their religion. Besides, if they all talk loudly in the middle east, then that's their normality, and it isn't inconveniencing anyone around them. The difference is that the token loud American or Americans in a bar/restaurant/train/airliner is not representative of the norm for the majority of people, and therefore they ARE inconveniencing others and being rude.
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Postby Seviis New Island » Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:25 pm

To be honest - and to not sound so bad considering my first post here - many Statians are rather nice.
Most of my friends are from there and they are bright wonderful people. Some others I casually walk by on San Diego are also wonderful people to whom I share smiles and talk to as well as we have met forever.
Some of your 'American' (I would say universal, but what ever) values are actually good and should be embraced, such as the seek for truth, justice and freedom.

But. . .it's the politics of the States which I dislike a lot.
Taking on example the current ObamaNation: everyone back here on the border thought of him as a competent president which might actually work together against the Drug situation and weapon dealing in Mexico, be much more friendly, give a caring hand and finally stop the Army from killing random people instead.

What we got was: MOAR walls on the border (useless as we now use catapults and holes to cross over), they did remove the army but's at a painfully slow pace compared how 'BOOM!' they came by, the whole Libya thing is ok but. . .it became overkill with NATO getting involved (Y U NO halp Egypt anyways? ), Osama got killed but we gave a f*ck about it in Pakistan and now they seem to want to start 'Operation Save the World' in there, things in Iran are tensing, there is less cooperation and more pushing . . .

I can go and make a list and I'm not even doing anything regarding INTERNAL affairs, which I also heard they where bad. And this from a guy who gave so much hope he was given a freaking Nobel Prize for it. SRSLY!

And the American Statian Media is becoming more stupider and paranoia inducing, making people stupid and paranoid and thus fueling their 'fear' for . . . I don't know, Latinos, Arabs, their neighbor, their school, their. . . A long list of things people don't give a f*ck around here, all while weapons rounds are sold as cheap as 20 dlls in Walmart (I almost bought one and I didn't show ID, just for the kicks to see how regulated they where, and I'm not even Statian myself : P )

= _ =; They say that if you want to change the world, you should start with yourself, but the United States doesn't seem to want to do so. . .and then they go and impose their prominent 'Jesus-like' figure on countries who would rather go die than being helped by a nation that does it sometimes for propaganda. . .
Yes, propaganda war does exist my friends. . .

Um. . .I'll stop ranting now.
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Postby Galonica » Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:26 pm

Keronians wrote:
Galonica wrote:
We can't look after our own citizens right, huh? Look at Asia, its history is a human rights violation, and continues to be that way. Other nations are full of corruption, and only look after tourists, and the elite. I'll admit, America has its faults (Texas, New Jersey, the Tea Party, Sarah Palin, GITMO, Abu Ghraib, etc.), but most of us are good people, and the people portrayed are only part of America.


I didn't realise that America wasn't full of corruption. That's news to me.

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Postby North Calaveras » Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:27 pm

CREEEEEED wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
or directed towards every american lol


Thankfully, you are not representative of every American, otherwise we could simply use you as the reason we hate America.


Nope, but that statement was directed towards every American.[/quote]

He explicitly stated that it was directed specifically at you. You are not representative of every American, as we have just established. Therefore his statement was not directed at every American. Any American could, in theory, be offended by it in some way, but that's incidental.[/quote]

How is that(the bolded) applied only to me?
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Postby NNWO » Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:27 pm

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NNWO wrote:Its funny are you an American? If you are, have fun watching your nation collapse under your feet because of the incompetance of your arrogant selfish people.


It is sad isn't it, but I don't think that were falling because of selfishness. Curious how people can talk about about the USA yet they wont say what nation there from probably cause its done worse shit and is alot more fucked up than we have ever been.

The world has hurt itself yes, but the USA owes its life to China, can't stay out of ANYONE'S buisness if it includes somthing they want. I gave that nation a chance. The world is doing bad. Those idiotic international policemen think they own the world. I was in America a few times. It seemed not bad, until the plane landed. I learned so much that week. The Americans I talked to believed in American supremacy, that "they need to expand", oh and this is a good one! I say I'm from Germany, and the first thing that hits is, "YOU DAMN NAZI SCUM!"
I can't wait for America to kill itself. The world will throw a party that day, knowing the biggest burden ever is gone.

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Postby North Calaveras » Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:30 pm

NNWO wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
It is sad isn't it, but I don't think that were falling because of selfishness. Curious how people can talk about about the USA yet they wont say what nation there from probably cause its done worse shit and is alot more fucked up than we have ever been.

The world has hurt itself yes, but the USA owes its life to China, can't stay out of ANYONE'S buisness if it includes somthing they want. I gave that nation a chance. The world is doing bad. Those idiotic international policemen think they own the world. I was in America a few times. It seemed not bad, until the plane landed. I learned so much that week. The Americans I talked to believed in American supremacy, that "they need to expand", oh and this is a good one! I say I'm from Germany, and the first thing that hits is, "YOU DAMN NAZI SCUM!"
I can't wait for America to kill itself. The world will throw a party that day, knowing the biggest burden ever is gone.


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Postby Dukopolious » Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:30 pm

I agree with Seviis.
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Postby Utopiaana » Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:31 pm

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Postby North Calaveras » Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:32 pm

Seviis New Island wrote:To be honest - and to not sound so bad considering my first post here - many Statians are rather nice.
Most of my friends are from there and they are bright wonderful people. Some others I casually walk by on San Diego are also wonderful people to whom I share smiles and talk to as well as we have met forever.
Some of your 'American' (I would say universal, but what ever) values are actually good and should be embraced, such as the seek for truth, justice and freedom.

But. . .it's the politics of the States which I dislike a lot.
Taking on example the current ObamaNation: everyone back here on the border thought of him as a competent president which might actually work together against the Drug situation and weapon dealing in Mexico, be much more friendly, give a caring hand and finally stop the Army from killing random people instead.

What we got was: MOAR walls on the border (useless as we now use catapults and holes to cross over), they did remove the army but's at a painfully slow pace compared how 'BOOM!' they came by, the whole Libya thing is ok but. . .it became overkill with NATO getting involved (Y U NO halp Egypt anyways? ), Osama got killed but we gave a f*ck about it in Pakistan and now they seem to want to start 'Operation Save the World' in there, things in Iran are tensing, there is less cooperation and more pushing . . .

I can go and make a list and I'm not even doing anything regarding INTERNAL affairs, which I also heard they where bad. And this from a guy who gave so much hope he was given a freaking Nobel Prize for it. SRSLY!

And the American Statian Media is becoming more stupider and paranoia inducing, making people stupid and paranoid and thus fueling their 'fear' for . . . I don't know, Latinos, Arabs, their neighbor, their school, their. . . A long list of things people don't give a f*ck around here, all while weapons rounds are sold as cheap as 20 dlls in Walmart (I almost bought one and I didn't show ID, just for the kicks to see how regulated they where, and I'm not even Statian myself : P )

= _ =; They say that if you want to change the world, you should start with yourself, but the United States doesn't seem to want to do so. . .and then they go and impose their prominent 'Jesus-like' figure on countries who would rather go die than being helped by a nation that does it sometimes for propaganda. . .
Yes, propaganda war does exist my friends. . .

Um. . .I'll stop ranting now.


Good point except for the whole border thing, you have a serious problem with having illegals come into our country and it needs to be stopped, its not healthy for the United States. Also before your government starts talking bad about American border policy take a look at your own.
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Postby Dukopolious » Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:32 pm

America: Sterotype Capital of the World.
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Postby Dukopolious » Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:34 pm

Utopiaana wrote:I Love America.

See he a a GOOD nationalist not a "America rulez cuz al u terirusts n nazis n kurians n uder pepel suck cuz u rnt in amrca fewlz"
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Postby North Calaveras » Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:34 pm

Dukopolious wrote:
Utopiaana wrote:I Love America.

See he a a GOOD nationalist not a "America rulez cuz al u terirusts n nazis n kurians n uder pepel suck cuz u rnt in amrca fewlz"


And how am I a bad nationalist again?
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