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Postby Dukopolious » Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:34 am

North Calaveras wrote:
NNWO wrote:Its funny are you an American? If you are, have fun watching your nation collapse under your feet because of the incompetance of your arrogant selfish people.


It is sad isn't it, but I don't think that were falling because of selfishness. Curious how people can talk about about the USA yet they wont say what nation there from probably cause its done worse shit and is alot more fucked up than we have ever been.


Please name one example where canada was in a worse situation than the USA. And also please source it.
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Postby North Calaveras » Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:36 am

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It is sad isn't it, but I don't think that were falling because of selfishness. Curious how people can talk about about the USA yet they wont say what nation there from probably cause its done worse shit and is alot more fucked up than we have ever been.


Please name one example where canada was in a worse situation than the USA. And also please source it.


please find a source saying that we are going to collapse because of the incompetence and arrogance of our people.
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Postby CREEEEEED » Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:38 am

7185514 wrote:The simple answer is that they're probably jealous, we the straggling nation have somehow become a superpower in half the time of most and we have yet to lose even a tiny war that would not matter in the end. We are able to conquer any nation we so please but we have enough restraint not to, so we decide, we'll defend, from YOUR country.

So, everyone hates because we have a big military ready to kill and they don't, simple.


1. Jealous? Of your politically broken, undemocratic, amoral society where people who don't have insurance don't get healthcare? Nah.

2. You really, really, don't know your history. The United States has lost (in terms of not achieving it's stated objectives) the following wars:

The War of 1812 (The white house got burned down in this one): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_of_1812

Vietnam War (pretty sure you don't need my help remembering that one)

Bay of Pigs (US-sponsored invasion of Cuba by Cuban exiles trained in and equipped by the US, pretty much a US invasion)

Red Cloud's War: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Cloud%27s_War

America doesn't have the power to conquer any nation it pleases. The recent brushfire wars that have involved America have all been against (basically) third-world countries with military technology which is at best twenty years behind your own. Go try to conquer Russia or China, or anyone else on a comparable technology level, and we'll see how that works out for you.

Besides, once you conquer one nation, you have to leave an occupation force otherwise they'll just say "fuck you!" and go back to what they were doing. And the more occupation forces you leave, the less able to conquer subsequent nations you become.

And the more nations you try to conquer, the more likely the rest of the world is to band together and fight you as a single power. And nobody can fight the rest of the world all at once - Nazi Germany tried, and failed. America could try, but it would fail.

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Please name one example where canada was in a worse situation than the USA. And also please source it.


please find a source saying that we are going to collapse because of the incompetence and arrogance of our people.


First off, Dukopolious isn't the person who said you were going to collapse, so why you're asking him for a source is beyond me.

Secondly, you've seen how much debt America is in, right? It's absurd, and more than you're going to be able to pay off any time soon. Said debt is mostly due to the incompetent leadership of George W Bush, and also due to the Congress who let the idiot spend about $14 trillion that you didn't have, on wars that you didn't need to fight.

Thirdly, I doubt any nation being posted from at the moment is more fucked up than America, on the following points -

-Incest is legal in more US states than gay marriage: http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/wp ... 12/nyt.jpg

-Prior to the Healthcare Reform Act of last year, people in America without insurance could be denied life-saving treatment.

-71% of the wealth in America is controlled by 10% of the population, and 38% of it is controlled by the top 1%. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributi ... ted_States

-You have actively tortured people who were innocent of the crimes they were accused of, and have committed human rights abuses that would earn, at best, life sentences from any proper court. And you shield perpetrators of these abuses.

-You continue to illegally kidnap, forcibly extradite, and imprison people without trial for crimes they may not even have committed, or thought of committing.

-You are the ONLY nation ever to have used atomic weapons in anger, and shielded the people responsible from the war crimes trials that they should have been sent to. Deny it all you want, but using nuclear weapons against anyone should be considered a war crime. Additionally, America is probably the second greatest perpetrator of war crimes in the past century, after imperial japan in ww2: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes

-You unjustly created massive trade embargoes against Cuba because it was Socialist, and because it nationalised privately owned US property on Cuban soil (which it only did because of how unreasonable conditions for Cuban workers were). Cuba had no ties with the USSR before the USA imposed trade sanctions. You gave them no choice but to be your enemy.

-You prop up some of the most fascist dictators in the history of the world, notably every non-leftist dictator in central and south america over the past century.

-You supply weapons to brutal regimes who have recently started using these weapons on their own people. And even then, you continue to supply them with weapons.

-America's greed for drugs is effectively causing a civil war in Mexico at the moment in which thousands of people are being killed so you can get your kicks.

-Certain states are allowed to teach Creationism as a serious theory, which it is not. Evolution is the only widely accepted, and only widely evidenced, theory of our presence on this planet. The particularly galling thing about it is that you can show evolution happening over very short time frames utilising bacteria or insects.
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Postby Dukopolious » Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:42 am

North Calaveras wrote:
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Please name one example where canada was in a worse situation than the USA. And also please source it.


please find a source saying that we are going to collapse because of the incompetence and arrogance of our people.


I didn't say you would collapse because of your arrogance I said that you shouldn't be so quick to think that america is better than every country. And you still haven't awnsered my question with attaculy related to your statement.
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Postby Chetssaland » Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:47 am

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North Calaveras wrote:
please find a source saying that we are going to collapse because of the incompetence and arrogance of our people.


I didn't say you would collapse because of your arrogance I said that you shouldn't be so quick to think that america is better than every country. And you still haven't awnsered my question with attaculy related to your statement.

Actually, your exact words were to have fun watching the US collapse because of the incompetence of the arrogant selfish people. So, yeah... ;)

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Postby North Calaveras » Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:48 am

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please find a source saying that we are going to collapse because of the incompetence and arrogance of our people.


I didn't say you would collapse because of your arrogance I said that you shouldn't be so quick to think that america is better than every country. And you still haven't awnsered my question with attaculy related to your statement.


Why can't I be so quick to think thank? It is better than every other country overall, there might be some things here and there that makes other better but overall America is number #1.
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Postby Dukopolious » Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:12 am

North Calaveras wrote:
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I didn't say you would collapse because of your arrogance I said that you shouldn't be so quick to think that america is better than every country. And you still haven't awnsered my question with attaculy related to your statement.


Why can't I be so quick to think thank? It is better than every other country overall, there might be some things here and there that makes other better but overall America is number #1.


Maybe number one in child obesity or nationalist arrogance. It's good to a certain point but when you start putting down other countries just to make your country slightly justifiable is sad to do. Plus america's healthcare really sucks compared to canadas. Along wiht your maple syrup. Arrogance gives you nothing but bad publicity.
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Postby North Calaveras » Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:14 am

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Why can't I be so quick to think thank? It is better than every other country overall, there might be some things here and there that makes other better but overall America is number #1.


Maybe numbe rone in child obesity or nationalist arrogance. It's good to a certain point but when you start putting down other countries just to make your country slightly justifiable is sad to do. Plus america's healthcare really sucks compared to canadas. Along wiht your maple syrup. Arrogance gives you nothing but bad publicity.


Who said I was putting other countries down?
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Postby Dukopolious » Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:21 am

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I didn't say you would collapse because of your arrogance I said that you shouldn't be so quick to think that america is better than every country. And you still haven't awnsered my question with attaculy related to your statement.

Actually, your exact words were to have fun watching the US collapse because of the incompetence of the arrogant selfish people. So, yeah... ;)


When did I say that?
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Postby CREEEEEED » Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:22 am

North Calaveras wrote:
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I didn't say you would collapse because of your arrogance I said that you shouldn't be so quick to think that america is better than every country. And you still haven't awnsered my question with attaculy related to your statement.


Why can't I be so quick to think thank? It is better than every other country overall, there might be some things here and there that makes other better but overall America is number #1.


How do you figure that?

America is #1 in terms of economy, but not for much longer. China will be ahead of you within 5 years.

You are arguably the most powerful nation in terms of military strength, but again I think China will be overtaking you very shortly.

Your education system is horrifyingly bad for such a developed nation: http://newsbird.wordpress.com/2009/09/0 ... r-nations/

Your healthcare system, while improving, is still not good compared to other nations: http://masterofhealthadministration.com ... uality.jpg

How exactly are you indisputably #1, again?
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Postby North Calaveras » Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:25 am

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North Calaveras wrote:
Why can't I be so quick to think thank? It is better than every other country overall, there might be some things here and there that makes other better but overall America is number #1.


How do you figure that?

America is #1 in terms of economy, but not for much longer. China will be ahead of you within 5 years.

You are arguably the most powerful nation in terms of military strength, but again I think China will be overtaking you very shortly.

Your education system is horrifyingly bad for such a developed nation: http://newsbird.wordpress.com/2009/09/0 ... r-nations/

Your healthcare system, while improving, is still not good compared to other nations: http://masterofhealthadministration.com ... uality.jpg

How exactly are you indisputably #1, again?


First off I said overall were #1

1. Yeah well when china does then I will chance my attitude, what you said dosn't mean shit

2. pfft china beating the US military, maybe when they have a real navy and airforce that could compete with us.

3 education isn't that horrible, idk where this whole education problem is coming from I don't see it as the systems fault more like the parents and students fault.

4. Healthcare is fine just certain things need to be fixed, like 300 dollars to pay for shit that isn't close to that much in cost.
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Postby Dukopolious » Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:25 am

North Calaveras wrote:
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Maybe numbe rone in child obesity or nationalist arrogance. It's good to a certain point but when you start putting down other countries just to make your country slightly justifiable is sad to do. Plus america's healthcare really sucks compared to canadas. Along wiht your maple syrup. Arrogance gives you nothing but bad publicity.


Who said I was putting other countries down?



America is #1

There is more than 1 country in the world (Not that you heavy nationalists would know) And by saying the USA was number one overall, you are saying every country in the world is a lesser and below the USA.


Also atleast Canada got it's independace by asking for it rather than throwing a childish tempertanrum over taxes (Which every other britisih colony had to pay for aswell) Oh and then because you wanted revenge because your huge ass population won a defencive, you think you can just "march up" and take canada in jefferson' words. Then you got your butt kicked back south.
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Postby North Calaveras » Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:27 am

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Who said I was putting other countries down?



America is #1

There is more than 1 country in the world (Not that you heavy nationalists would know) And by saying the USA was number one overall, you are saying every country in the world is a lesser and below the USA.


Also atleast Canada got it's independace by asking for it rather than throwing a childish tempertanrum over taxes (Which every other britisih colony had to pay for aswell) Oh and then because you wanted revenge because your huge ass population won a defencive, you think you can just "march up" and take canada in jefferson' words. Then you got your butt kicked back south.



You win some you lose some, i may be nationalist but im not blind

Uhh NO SHIT there are more than 1 countries in the world, there are many nations. Yes I believe the USA is number #1 overall, yes all other countries are lesser in certain areas, but i don't put them down I'm just stating a fact.
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Postby Dukopolious » Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:28 am

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How do you figure that?

America is #1 in terms of economy, but not for much longer. China will be ahead of you within 5 years.

You are arguably the most powerful nation in terms of military strength, but again I think China will be overtaking you very shortly.

Your education system is horrifyingly bad for such a developed nation: http://newsbird.wordpress.com/2009/09/0 ... r-nations/

Your healthcare system, while improving, is still not good compared to other nations: http://masterofhealthadministration.com ... uality.jpg

How exactly are you indisputably #1, again?


First off I said overall were #1

1. Yeah well when china does then I will chance my attitude, what you said dosn't mean shit

2. pfft china beating the US military, maybe when they have a real navy and airforce that could compete with us.

3 education isn't that horrible, idk where this whole education problem is coming from I don't see it as the systems fault more like the parents and students fault.

4. Healthcare is fine just certain things need to be fixed, like 300 dollars to pay for shit that isn't close to that much in cost.



1. Example of your arrogance.

2. they have a population of over 2 billion, they are basicly communist and thie rpeople are happy. Add that to compulsery millitary service and thier nukes and the USA is screwed.

3.I'm sorry but which country didn't allow people to fail grades? Doctors were complaining because some of thier patenints didn't know how to write thier own names.

4. Private for profit :P That's what your economy basicly is.
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Postby Ludwig Drums » Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:29 am

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It is sad isn't it, but I don't think that were falling because of selfishness. Curious how people can talk about about the USA yet they wont say what nation there from probably cause its done worse shit and is alot more fucked up than we have ever been.


Please name one example where canada was in a worse situation than the USA. And also please source it.


You have Harper. You lose.

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Postby Dukopolious » Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:29 am

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Dukopolious wrote:


There is more than 1 country in the world (Not that you heavy nationalists would know) And by saying the USA was number one overall, you are saying every country in the world is a lesser and below the USA.


Also atleast Canada got it's independace by asking for it rather than throwing a childish tempertanrum over taxes (Which every other britisih colony had to pay for aswell) Oh and then because you wanted revenge because your huge ass population won a defencive, you think you can just "march up" and take canada in jefferson' words. Then you got your butt kicked back south.



You win some you lose some, i may be nationalist but im not blind

Uhh NO SHIT there are more than 1 countries in the world, there are many nations. Yes I believe the USA is number #1 overall, yes all other countries are lesser in certain areas, but i don't put them down I'm just stating a fact.


You might as well be blind if you look at your countries healthcare. And your opinion isn't a fact, just the FACT that you said that shows your arrogance.
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Postby Chetssaland » Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:30 am

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Chetssaland wrote:Actually, your exact words were to have fun watching the US collapse because of the incompetence of the arrogant selfish people. So, yeah... ;)


When did I say that?

My bad, I thought it was you. :hug:

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Postby North Calaveras » Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:30 am

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First off I said overall were #1

1. Yeah well when china does then I will chance my attitude, what you said dosn't mean shit

2. pfft china beating the US military, maybe when they have a real navy and airforce that could compete with us.

3 education isn't that horrible, idk where this whole education problem is coming from I don't see it as the systems fault more like the parents and students fault.

4. Healthcare is fine just certain things need to be fixed, like 300 dollars to pay for shit that isn't close to that much in cost.



1. Example of your arrogance.

2. they have a population of over 2 billion, they are basicly communist and thie rpeople are happy. Add that to compulsery millitary service and thier nukes and the USA is screwed.

3.I'm sorry but which country didn't allow people to fail grades? Doctors were complaining because some of thier patenints didn't know how to write thier own names.

4. Private for profit :P That's what your economy basicly is.


1. Not arrogant, It is what it is

2. They are not basically communist and the people are happy? LOL :rofl:

3. That's the patients fault because there to stupid to pay attention to class.

4. wtf?
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Postby Dukopolious » Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:31 am

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Please name one example where canada was in a worse situation than the USA. And also please source it.


You have Harper. You lose.


Whats wrong with harper. he's ten times better than ignettif and Layton can barley walk. Plus he hasn't freaked out over a terrorist attack and declaired war on an entire subcontinent which complelty failed. He just couldn't say no to the UN when they told canada to asist the USA. Also the reason for the lack of terrorist attacks on canada is because canada is not as ARROGANT as the USA.
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Postby Ludwig Drums » Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:32 am

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You have Harper. You lose.


Whats wrong with harper. he's ten times better than ignettif and Layton can barley walk. Plus he hasn't freaked out over a terrorist attack and declaired war on an entire subcontinent which complelty failed. He just couldn't say no to the UN when they told canada to asist the USA. Also the reason for the lack of terrorist attacks on canada is because canada is not as ARROGANT as the USA.


I believe Canada has not been attacked by terrorists is because they're the world's biggest "free-rider" of America's War on Terror.

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Postby Dukopolious » Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:33 am

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1. Example of your arrogance.

2. they have a population of over 2 billion, they are basicly communist and thie rpeople are happy. Add that to compulsery millitary service and thier nukes and the USA is screwed.

3.I'm sorry but which country didn't allow people to fail grades? Doctors were complaining because some of thier patenints didn't know how to write thier own names.

4. Private for profit :P That's what your economy basicly is.


1. Not arrogant, It is what it is

2. They are not basically communist and the people are happy? LOL :rofl:

3. That's the patients fault because there to stupid to pay attention to class.

4. wtf?



1. Again it shows how your education system fails at teaching you the difference between opinion and fact.

2. And when was the last time china was attacked by others due to them sticking thier nose into someone else' buisness?

3. Maybe if the governemnt allowed them to fail they would pay attention insted of knowing they can do nothing yet still graduate.

4.Same as 1.
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Postby Dukopolious » Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:34 am

Ludwig Drums wrote:
Dukopolious wrote:
Whats wrong with harper. he's ten times better than ignettif and Layton can barley walk. Plus he hasn't freaked out over a terrorist attack and declaired war on an entire subcontinent which complelty failed. He just couldn't say no to the UN when they told canada to asist the USA. Also the reason for the lack of terrorist attacks on canada is because canada is not as ARROGANT as the USA.


I believe Canada has not been attacked by terrorists is because they're the world's biggest "free-rider" of America's War on Terror.



Canada doesn't want to be in iraq or afganistan. They are there because of the UN.
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Postby North Calaveras » Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:35 am

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1. Not arrogant, It is what it is

2. They are not basically communist and the people are happy? LOL :rofl:

3. That's the patients fault because there to stupid to pay attention to class.

4. wtf?



1. Again it shows how your education system fails at teaching you the difference between opinion and fact.

2. And when was the last time china was attacked by others due to them sticking thier nose into someone else' buisness?

3. Maybe if the governemnt allowed them to fail they would pay attention insted of knowing they can do nothing yet still graduate.

4.Same as 1.


1. NOPE

2. Changing it now cause it was really silly of you to say that china is basically communist and happy, i see how you work

3. That's on them, the government shouldn't have to force you to pay attention in class

4. nope.
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Postby Dukopolious » Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:40 am

North Calaveras wrote:
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1. Again it shows how your education system fails at teaching you the difference between opinion and fact.

2. And when was the last time china was attacked by others due to them sticking thier nose into someone else' buisness?

3. Maybe if the governemnt allowed them to fail they would pay attention insted of knowing they can do nothing yet still graduate.

4.Same as 1.



1. NOPE

2. Changing it now cause it was really silly of you to say that china is basically communist and happy, i see how you work

3. That's on them, the government shouldn't have to force you to pay attention in class

4. nope.


2. Whens the last time you've seen something like what happened in lybia happen in china?

3Yeah thye should just allow you to grow up to be an idiot and be frowned down apon by the world so idiots can go around saying "I passes skewl so ima smarty hehe amricas de best :lol2: .

as for 1 and 4 saying nope is basicly just saying you have no idalogical response due to your lack of inteligence.
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Postby North Calaveras » Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:43 am

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1. NOPE

2. Changing it now cause it was really silly of you to say that china is basically communist and happy, i see how you work

3. That's on them, the government shouldn't have to force you to pay attention in class

4. nope.


2. Whens the last time you've seen something like what happened in lybia happen in china?

3Yeah thye should just allow you to grow up to be an idiot and be frowned down apon by the world so idiots can go around saying "I passes skewl so ima smarty hehe amricas de best :lol2: .

as for 1 and 4 saying nope is basicly just saying you have no idalogical response due to your lack of inteligence.


2. How about during the revolution? Or how about the massacres that the government have done?

3. YES you should be allowed to grow up and be an idiot cause then you will get fired and someone who actually studied will take your place.
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Political Themes: Nationalism, Romanticism, Ceasarism, Militarism, Social Liberalism, Cult of Personality
Ethnic Groups: American, Latino, Filipino

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