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Postby Raksalla » Tue Jun 28, 2011 7:10 am

Galonica wrote:I'm an American, but I'll tell you that I'm not a big fan of Israel for the reason you stated. There are cases where Israeli soldiers detain Palestinian civilians for no reason, bind their hands behind their back, place something in their hands, and if they drop it, they get shot. At the same time, though, Israel has the right to exist, and Arab organizations have confirmed Israel's right to exist. The GITMO atrocities are commited by angry Republicans that are in the closet, same with the Abu Graib incident. Most of us, though, just want what's best. By the way, everyone's done double standards, and blame Europe-especially England- for the issues in Africa, Asia, and the Middle East.


I would argue that Israel has -no right- to exist. Sure, a Jewish nation existed there in nigh-prehistoric times, but the Palestinians have STAYED on their land for thousands of years now, and the Israelis have no right to any of the land now. They left. What would be better, though, is a federation of the two states, incorporating both Palestinians and Israelis under one nation. Though that would never work now.

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Postby Cameroi » Tue Jun 28, 2011 7:14 am

Raksalla wrote:I'll admit, America has massive flaws. But I would argue that Britain and France, and indeed, much of Europe is MUCH more fucked up then we have ever been, even with our massive debt, screwed-up healthcare, and ineffective, warmongering government. And why don't people hate them? Because they aren't as big, or as tough, or as "hey, there's a problem, let's go fix it" proactive as the USA. You call it unnecessary interference, I call it seeing a problem and trying to deal with it. At least you Europeans are finally starting to pick that up, what with Libya.

yes, all powerful nations have warts. america just happens to be the biggest bully on the block. at the moment.
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Postby Arumdaum » Tue Jun 28, 2011 7:16 am

SovietSovietRussia wrote:
Tubbsalot wrote:Well this would be a good start. Americans have built up a reputation as rude and inconsiderate.


How would you feel if something like pearl harbor happened in your country

We embargoed them and denied any oil getting to them.
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Postby North Calaveras » Tue Jun 28, 2011 7:17 am

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Postby Norstal » Tue Jun 28, 2011 7:30 am

Islamic Hazarastan wrote:Oh, look! Yet another reason!

Woooooooooow, 29 killed. Some of them may be suspects too, but in suspicious wording, they say they can't conclusively say they're suspects, yet they don't have the evidence to show for it.

I could say that 9000 people were killed by the Americans at a Normandy beach. I could also reveal that they were Nazis, but, hey, that's not going to be sensationalist. They might or might not be Nazis too!

Get off, troll.
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Postby Vecherd » Tue Jun 28, 2011 7:33 am

The world hates the U.S because as the U.S the world is full of shit. The U.S isn't better than any other country, but no country has a good reason to hate the U.S.
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Postby Lylowo » Tue Jun 28, 2011 7:41 am

President Mathias wrote:
Afghanistan/Iraq, NOW- These two countries now have more clinics, schools, and infrastructure than most of Africa.


Afghanistan and Iraq are not in Africa. :roll:

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Postby Islamic Hazarastan » Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:07 am

Norstal wrote:
Islamic Hazarastan wrote:Oh, look! Yet another reason!

Woooooooooow, 29 killed. Some of them may be suspects too, but in suspicious wording, they say they can't conclusively say they're suspects, yet they don't have the evidence to show for it.

I could say that 9000 people were killed by the Americans at a Normandy beach. I could also reveal that they were Nazis, but, hey, that's not going to be sensationalist. They might or might not be Nazis too!

Get off, troll.

You're right. Only 29 villagers from Waziristan died. Big deal, right? Hell, they were "suspects"! And obviously, suspects deserve to die. Even when there is no proof!
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Postby North Calaveras » Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:08 am

Islamic Hazarastan wrote:
Norstal wrote:Woooooooooow, 29 killed. Some of them may be suspects too, but in suspicious wording, they say they can't conclusively say they're suspects, yet they don't have the evidence to show for it.

I could say that 9000 people were killed by the Americans at a Normandy beach. I could also reveal that they were Nazis, but, hey, that's not going to be sensationalist. They might or might not be Nazis too!

Get off, troll.

You're right. Only 29 villagers from Waziristan died. Big deal, right? Hell, they were "suspects"! And obviously, suspects deserve to die. Even when there is no proof!


More die from terrorist attacks on a daily basis, oh wait it dosn't count cause there "such a small minority"
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Postby Norstal » Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:13 am

Islamic Hazarastan wrote:
Norstal wrote:Woooooooooow, 29 killed. Some of them may be suspects too, but in suspicious wording, they say they can't conclusively say they're suspects, yet they don't have the evidence to show for it.

I could say that 9000 people were killed by the Americans at a Normandy beach. I could also reveal that they were Nazis, but, hey, that's not going to be sensationalist. They might or might not be Nazis too!

Get off, troll.

You're right. Only 29 villagers from Waziristan died. Big deal, right? Hell, they were "suspects"! And obviously, suspects deserve to die. Even when there is no proof!

I'm saying there's no proof saying they weren't guilty and the probability of them being guilty is high since the source of attacks on Afghani bases comes from this region.

Really, you can apply this to any action made by the U.S armed forces. Operation Desert Storm? 35000 civilians killed. Hey, there were no proof that they were Saddam's troops.

So, if you're going to hate on a nation through a biased story over 29 people killed, then go ahead. It's just really petty and pathetic.
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Postby Islamic Hazarastan » Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:18 am

Norstal wrote:
Islamic Hazarastan wrote:You're right. Only 29 villagers from Waziristan died. Big deal, right? Hell, they were "suspects"! And obviously, suspects deserve to die. Even when there is no proof!

I'm saying there's no proof saying they weren't guilty and the probability of them being guilty is high since the source of attacks on Afghani bases comes from this region.

Really, you can apply this to any action made by the U.S armed forces. Operation Desert Storm? 35000 civilians killed. Hey, there were no proof that they were Saddam's troops.

So, if you're going to hate on a nation through a biased story over 29 people killed, then go ahead. It's just really petty and pathetic.

Yep. Nothing wrong with killing suspects without proof. Unfortunately, everyone in the region is a suspect.
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Postby Norstal » Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:22 am

Islamic Hazarastan wrote:
Norstal wrote:I'm saying there's no proof saying they weren't guilty and the probability of them being guilty is high since the source of attacks on Afghani bases comes from this region.

Really, you can apply this to any action made by the U.S armed forces. Operation Desert Storm? 35000 civilians killed. Hey, there were no proof that they were Saddam's troops.

So, if you're going to hate on a nation through a biased story over 29 people killed, then go ahead. It's just really petty and pathetic.

Yep. Nothing wrong with killing suspects without proof. Unfortunately, everyone in the region is a suspect.

Too bad Pakistan is doing it too. Except, they're not doing it with drones.

http://www.dawn.com/2011/06/28/us-drone ... istan.html

See, if you read your own sources, you might've saw that they had proof.
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Postby Raksalla » Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:22 am

Lylowo wrote:
President Mathias wrote:
Afghanistan/Iraq, NOW- These two countries now have more clinics, schools, and infrastructure than most of Africa.


Afghanistan and Iraq are not in Africa. :roll:


Don't be an ass. You know he didn't mean they were in Africa.

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Postby Islamic Hazarastan » Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:24 am

Norstal wrote:
Islamic Hazarastan wrote:Yep. Nothing wrong with killing suspects without proof. Unfortunately, everyone in the region is a suspect.

Too bad Pakistan is doing it too. Except, they're not doing it with drones.

http://www.dawn.com/2011/06/28/us-drone ... istan.html

See, if you read your own sources, you might've saw that they had proof.

So why are they still "suspected militants"?
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Postby Raksalla » Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:25 am

Islamic Hazarastan wrote:Yep. Nothing wrong with killing suspects without proof. Unfortunately, everyone in the region is a suspect.


Since you seem to know so much about it, Hazarastan, what would YOU recommend they do? Investigate for days, weeks, or even months while more innocents die in unjustified terrorist attacks or shoot first and ask questions later? There is no good option, there's only the less bad one: shoot first.

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Postby North Calaveras » Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:26 am

Raksalla wrote:
Islamic Hazarastan wrote:Yep. Nothing wrong with killing suspects without proof. Unfortunately, everyone in the region is a suspect.


Since you seem to know so much about it, Hazarastan, what would YOU recommend they do? Investigate for days, weeks, or even months while more innocents die in unjustified terrorist attacks or shoot first and ask questions later? There is no good option, there's only the less bad one: shoot first.


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Postby Norstal » Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:27 am

Islamic Hazarastan wrote:
Norstal wrote:Too bad Pakistan is doing it too. Except, they're not doing it with drones.

http://www.dawn.com/2011/06/28/us-drone ... istan.html

See, if you read your own sources, you might've saw that they had proof.

So why are they still "suspected militants"?

Because one cannot be 100% sure with anything, yet the probability is really high. Osama is a suspect terrorist as well. Doesn't mean we can't kill him.
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Postby Dukopolious » Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:27 am

ntocie how he only mentions the GOOD things the USA has done. Please say points from both perspectives.
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Postby Islamic Hazarastan » Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:27 am

Raksalla wrote:
Islamic Hazarastan wrote:Yep. Nothing wrong with killing suspects without proof. Unfortunately, everyone in the region is a suspect.


Since you seem to know so much about it, Hazarastan, what would YOU recommend they do? Investigate for days, weeks, or even months while more innocents die in unjustified terrorist attacks or shoot first and ask questions later? There is no good option, there's only the less bad one: shoot first.

Drone strikes make little difference to terrorist attacks.
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Postby Raksalla » Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:29 am

Islamic Hazarastan wrote:Drone strikes make little difference to terrorist attacks.


That's not an answer. What I want to know is: what would you do in the USA's position that is so much better?

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Postby Islamic Hazarastan » Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:31 am

Raksalla wrote:
Islamic Hazarastan wrote:Drone strikes make little difference to terrorist attacks.


That's not an answer. What I want to know is: what would you do in the USA's position that is so much better?

I agree with this. Drone strikes with better intel.
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Postby Raksalla » Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:37 am

Islamic Hazarastan wrote:I agree with this. Drone strikes with better intel.


Well, you're right then. The US needs to spend more time and money on gathering intel and attempting to infiltrate terrorist groups using old-fashioned CIA and FBI methods rather than just blindly flailing into every situation. Cut down on military ground forces, spend more money on the air force, the navy, and the intelligence community. That's what'll solve the problem of terrorism, along with actually opening up to the Islamic world.

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Postby NNWO » Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:12 am

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Where he's from doesn't matter. Americans have created an arrogant, corrupt, obese reputation for themselves - the rest of the world didn't just decide to apply this to you for no reason. Like all such things, it's a generalisation - I'm pretty sure that the french don't all wear striped shirts and berets, while smoke cigarettes and eating garlic, but thats the image you get when you think of a frenchman. Same thing for americans, except instead of the above, it's obese people wearing awful hawaiian shirts, eating a bucket of KFC.

The government life-sucking comment doesn't really belong, since it applies to most of the western world, including the US. We all need to really do something about our governments, because here in Britain we don't even get majority-elected governments - a party only needs to get about 35% of the vote in order to win, which is fucking absurd. We bring it on ourselves though - we just voted no to electoral reform which would have made our system legitimately democratic, but hey, people want what they want, and apparently this means British people want to keep getting fisted by the right wing.


Actually it does matter, if hes going to call Americans fat, corrupt and rude people I wanna know what stereotypes i can use against his people.

Its funny are you an American? If you are, have fun watching your nation collapse under your feet because of the incompetance of your arrogant selfish people.

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Postby North Calaveras » Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:14 am

NNWO wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
Actually it does matter, if hes going to call Americans fat, corrupt and rude people I wanna know what stereotypes i can use against his people.

Its funny are you an American? If you are, have fun watching your nation collapse under your feet because of the incompetance of your arrogant selfish people.


It is sad isn't it, but I don't think that were falling because of selfishness. Curious how people can talk about about the USA yet they wont say what nation there from probably cause its done worse shit and is alot more fucked up than we have ever been.
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