Why does the world hate the U.S.?

[Grave_n_idle]

What are you talking about, the UK still is number one.

America can call up and we'll talk about it once they catch up to the 20th century on healthcare.

Right, how is that hike in taxes going and laws against so called "hate-speech" working?

Meh. Taxrates are more important than healthcare? That's why you're second.

[North Calaveras]

Right, how is that hike in taxes going and laws against so called "hate-speech" working?

Meh. Taxrates are more important than healthcare? That's why you're second.

Having national healthcare doesn't mean your better lol, where do you get that from?

[Chetssaland]

Right, how is that hike in taxes going and laws against so called "hate-speech" working?

Meh. Taxrates are more important than healthcare? That's why you're second.

Not that I have an issue with universal or government sponsored healthcare, but it isn't as terrible as what it seems to be made out to be. Although I have never been to a British healthcare facility, I'll take your word for it that it is better than the United States'.

It sure as hell is expensive though. I would support a more European healthcare system over the current one.

[Grave_n_idle]

Meh. Taxrates are more important than healthcare? That's why you're second.

Having national healthcare doesn't mean your better lol, where do you get that from?

Having lived under both systems, one of them is objectively better than the other.

[North Calaveras]

Having national healthcare doesn't mean your better lol, where do you get that from?

Having lived under both systems, one of them is objectively better than the other.

Have you actually had to use both of them?

[Grave_n_idle]

Meh. Taxrates are more important than healthcare? That's why you're second.

Not that I have an issue with universal or government sponsored healthcare, but it isn't as terrible as what it seems to be made out to be. Although I have never been to a British healthcare facility, I'll take your word for it that it is better than the United States'.

It sure as hell is expensive though. I would support a more European healthcare system over the current one.

Indeed. In the UK, we spent half as much, per capita, to cover everyone. Most care is immediate, just like in the US. Service is at least as good. And you don't suddenly get rolled off your cancer treatment because your insurance doesn't cover it any more.

[Grave_n_idle]

Having lived under both systems, one of them is objectively better than the other.

Have you actually had to use both of them?

Yes. I spent a quarter century under one, and a decade under the other. I've both paid for, and used, both models. One is objectively superior - to the extent that it vastly outweighs less important concerns.

[Galonica]

We're the only superpower in the world. Whenever there is a crisis somewhere in the world, the international community wants us to do something. If we do what they want, they say we're bullies and the policeman of the world. If we sayy that the people in the affected area need to handle it without us (say a border conflict or something of that sort), the world says we're negligent and don't care. Whatever decision we make, the rest of the world criticizes us, even if it turns out that it is good for the world.

[Grave_n_idle]

We're the only superpower in the world. Whenever there is a crisis somewhere in the world, the international community wants us to do something. If we do what they want, they say we're bullies and the policeman of the world. If we sayy that the people in the affected area need to handle it without us (say a border conflict or something of that sort), the world says we're negligent and don't care. Whatever decision we make, the rest of the world criticizes us, even if it turns out that it is good for the world.

Damn straight.

Of course, that's basically the argument the Brits used too, and it didn't stop those colonial malcontents betraying the Crown.

[North Calaveras]

Have you actually had to use both of them?

Yes. I spent a quarter century under one, and a decade under the other. I've both paid for, and used, both models. One is objectively superior - to the extent that it vastly outweighs less important concerns.

Assuming your right (which i think it's not) then the US could not sustain its current condition under universal healthcare, the tax rate would be to high and we couldn't afford to maintain welfare or military the same way.

[Grave_n_idle]

Yes. I spent a quarter century under one, and a decade under the other. I've both paid for, and used, both models. One is objectively superior - to the extent that it vastly outweighs less important concerns.

Assuming your right (which i think it's not)

Well, your opinion based on ignorance means a lot to me. I'm almost tempted to discard my decades of experience in favour of... hey, wait a minute...

then the US could not sustain its current condition under universal healthcare, the tax rate would be to high and we couldn't afford to maintain welfare or military the same way.

If the US made no improvements, and simply employed a duplicate of the NHS, the cost per capita would halve.

What are you talking about?

[North Calaveras]

Assuming your right (which i think it's not)

Well, your opinion based on ignorance means a lot to me. I'm almost tempted to discard my decades of experience in favour of... hey, wait a minute...

then the US could not sustain its current condition under universal healthcare, the tax rate would be to high and we couldn't afford to maintain welfare or military the same way.

If the US made no improvements, and simply employed a duplicate of the NHS, the cost per capita would halve.

What are you talking about?

Cause whatever you say is true right this is the internet where everyone tells the truth

[Grave_n_idle]

Well, your opinion based on ignorance means a lot to me. I'm almost tempted to discard my decades of experience in favour of... hey, wait a minute...



If the US made no improvements, and simply employed a duplicate of the NHS, the cost per capita would halve.

What are you talking about?

Cause whatever you say is true right this is the internet where everyone tells the truth

What do you think is not true?

The part where you're arguing from ignorance? Or the part about the NHS costing about half as much per capita?

[North Calaveras]

Cause whatever you say is true right this is the internet where everyone tells the truth

What do you think is not true?

The part where you're arguing from ignorance? Or the part about the NHS costing about half as much per capita?

Calling someone ignorant doesn't win an arugement. You can't go around going " Well you don't understand you must be ignorant" and expect people to believe you. For all you know the only reason you thought national healthcare was better was because you weren't thinking about paying for it everytime you checked out goods from the market.

[Grave_n_idle]

What do you think is not true?

The part where you're arguing from ignorance? Or the part about the NHS costing about half as much per capita?

Calling someone ignorant doesn't win an arugement. You can't go around going " Well you don't understand you must be ignorant" and expect people to believe you. For all you know the only reason you thought national healthcare was better was because you weren't thinking about paying for it everytime you checked out goods from the market.

I don't think you're understanding the use of the word 'ignorant'.

[North Calaveras]

Calling someone ignorant doesn't win an arugement. You can't go around going " Well you don't understand you must be ignorant" and expect people to believe you. For all you know the only reason you thought national healthcare was better was because you weren't thinking about paying for it everytime you checked out goods from the market.

I don't think you're understanding the use of the word 'ignorant'.

Oh then, would you please enlighten me?

[Grave_n_idle]

I don't think you're understanding the use of the word 'ignorant'.

Oh then, would you please enlighten me?

"Arguing from ignorance" means you're presenting an alternative to an argument from experience. You have no direct experience relating to the matter, and you're going to press and argument based on that.

Maybe I'm misreading you - maybe you actually have experienced the NHS paradigm?

[North Calaveras]

Oh then, would you please enlighten me?

"Arguing from ignorance" means you're presenting an alternative to an argument from experience. You have no direct experience relating to the matter, and you're going to press and argument based on that.

Maybe I'm misreading you - maybe you actually have experienced the NHS paradigm?

I admit that I have not experienced national healthcare, I have only experienced private healthcare which has done me pretty well so far. BTW it might just be better for the individual, especially those that need to go to the hospital often, that dosn't mean its better for the nation as a whole. Couple that with wellfare then you have someone who basically can sit on there ass and also get free healthcare while they do it.

[The Left-Libertarian Hippies]

Universal healthcare isnt free, everyone pays taxes for it. Plus, private health insurance doesnt allow freedom of choice or contain costs. Its worse off on the individual.

[Grave_n_idle]

"Arguing from ignorance" means you're presenting an alternative to an argument from experience. You have no direct experience relating to the matter, and you're going to press and argument based on that.

Maybe I'm misreading you - maybe you actually have experienced the NHS paradigm?

I admit that I have not experienced national healthcare, I have only experienced private healthcare which has done me pretty well so far.

Like I said, an argument from ignorance.

BTW it might just be better for the individual, especially those that need to go to the hospital often, that dosn't mean its better for the nation as a whole.

I don't see how healthcare that is better for the individual can be anything other than better for the nation, which is a lot of individuals.

Couple that with wellfare then you have someone who basically can sit on there ass and also get free healthcare while they do it.

Someone doesn't deserve to die just because they're unemployed.

[North Calaveras]

Universal healthcare isnt free, everyone pays taxes for it. Plus, private health insurance doesnt allow freedom of choice or contain costs. Its worse off on the individual.

private health care doesn't allow freedom of choice....

[North Calaveras]

I admit that I have not experienced national healthcare, I have only experienced private healthcare which has done me pretty well so far.

Like I said, an argument from ignorance.

BTW it might just be better for the individual, especially those that need to go to the hospital often, that dosn't mean its better for the nation as a whole.

I don't see how healthcare that is better for the individual can be anything other than better for the nation, which is a lot of individuals.

Couple that with wellfare then you have someone who basically can sit on there ass and also get free healthcare while they do it.

Someone doesn't deserve to die just because they're unemployed.

who said anything about someone deserving to die?

[Copenhagen Metropolis]

Sour grapes. They hate how we're so much better.

I guess this^ answers the OP's question.

Americans draw conclusions based on their ignorance about the rest of the world. It's not just annoying, it's also extremely arrogant. And one of the reasons people like to express their opinion about the US, is that they are such easy targets.

[Winter Brault]

Is the U.S. really hated? Yes.
Really? Yes.
Does everyone hate us? No.
Why not? The people who don't hate us are the people that we are helping now.
Do they hate us later? Yep.
Why? Maybe we did something wrong or bad.
Why can't they just be thankful? I dunno.
Why does the world hate us? Cause we take advantage of them and stick our nose where it doesn't belong.
That's why? Yeah, oh and because if we don't use our power people get angry at us.
So if we use our power it makes people hate us? Yes.
And if we don't use our power people get mad at us? Yes.
America is full of waste that must be cleaned away to reveal the once great nation that it once was. Who's gonna clean it though? You decide...

[North Calaveras]

Is the U.S. really hated? Yes.
Really? Yes.
Does everyone hate us? No.
Why not? The people who don't hate us are the people that we are helping now.
Do they hate us later? Yep.
Why? Maybe we did something wrong or bad.
Why can't they just be thankful? I dunno.
Why does the world hate us? Cause we take advantage of them and stick our nose where it doesn't belong.
That's why? Yeah, oh and because if we don't use our power people get angry at us.
So if we use our power it makes people hate us? Yes.
And if we don't use our power people get mad at us? Yes.
America is full of waste that must be cleaned away to reveal the once great nation that it once was. Who's gonna clean it though? You decide...

This ^