Why does the world hate the U.S.?

[Chetssaland]

Calm down now? I don't know how I implied I was upset.... I'm not even arguing with you, don't know why I'd be mad.

Anyways, I would call it racist. So would lots of other people. That doesn't mean you have to, but don't get all mad if other people call it racism.

I don't like Muslims, am I rascist?

Yes, I would say so.

[Grave_n_idle]

Did you even read my first sentence? I said racism isn't just about race....

What else would you call it? Religionism?

Calm down now

I don't know what I would call it, but I would not call it rascism.

Then you're quibbling semantics to avoid dealing with the reality that you're talking about functionally identical circumstances.

[North Calaveras]

I don't like Muslims, am I rascist?

Yes, I would say so.

Why is that?

[Grave_n_idle]

Yes, I would say so.

Why is that?

Is this going anywhere on-topic, just by the way?

[Northern Dem Canada]

Yes, I would say so.

Why is that?

Because you are making a general statement that you dislike all muslims.

[Chetssaland]

Yes, I would say so.

Why is that?

You don't like a group of people just because they are a part of that group. There are plenty of good people who are Muslim.

[Distruzio]

Source? I'd bet the more likely fact is that reports of plots to kill the president have more than quadrupled since Bush.

Aside from that, planning to kill the president doesn't necessarily indicate racism, either.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... rvice.html

It might not be about race. I don't see why the first black Democrat president would be a bigger target than white presidents of either party previously, though.

Maybe it has more to do with the fact that he is seen as the most socialist president since FDR and is seen, by many, as a muslim? Racism may play a role, but I doubt that it is the only reason for hating him. He's a target b/c he's the biggest target there is during a time of increasing uncertainty.

But, that's a genuine maybe. Personally, I have no idea why anyone would want to kill the president for any reason. I view all politicians as criminals (Obama is, in my mind, a murderer and a thief) but I still don't want them dead. I want them incarcerated and forced to pay damages for their actions. Restitution is my preference, not execution.

[North Calaveras]

Why is that?

Because you are making a general statement that you dislike all muslims.

So saying that I dislike all fascists is rascist, disliking any sort of group of people is racist even if the reason i hate them has nothing to due with there race?

[Distruzio]

Absolutely correct.



How is that evidence? I'm not badgering, I'm genuinely interested. B/c I saw folks protesting Bush at his inauguration? In fact, using your logic, I'd say that the mere fact that there is so much controversy surrounding Obama's skin color is itself evidence of racism - from those who support him.

People protested Bush's inauguration, you're right. Quite a big crowd, and quite enthusiastically. But then, I'm sure you remember the specifics of Bush's electoral circumstances?

Yes I do. And I agreed with their protests too, despite being a Republican at the time. It was fishy as hell.

[Chetssaland]

Because you are making a general statement that you dislike all muslims.

So saying that I dislike all fascists is rascist, disliking any sort of group of people is racist even if the reason i hate them has nothing to due with there race?

Yes, because racism's usage has gone beyond race now. Words evolve.

Now, we should probably get back on topic.

[Northern Dem Canada]

Because you are making a general statement that you dislike all muslims.

So saying that I dislike all fascists is rascist, disliking any sort of group of people is racist even if the reason i hate them has nothing to due with there race?

Once again definition and use. If there was another word that would fit besides racist, I would sure use it. But, there isn't

[North Calaveras]

So saying that I dislike all fascists is rascist, disliking any sort of group of people is racist even if the reason i hate them has nothing to due with there race?

Yes, because racism's usage has gone beyond race now. Words evolve.

Now, we should probably get back on topic.

I don't agree but yes lets.

[Distruzio]

So saying that I dislike all fascists is rascist, disliking any sort of group of people is racist even if the reason i hate them has nothing to due with there race?

Yes, because racism's usage has gone beyond race now. Words evolve.

Now, we should probably get back on topic.

Maybe the world hates the U.S. b/c we hate brown people?

[Promisance]

I don't like Muslims, am I rascist?

Yes, I would say so.

lol muslim isn't a race derp lol

[Grave_n_idle]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... rvice.html

It might not be about race. I don't see why the first black Democrat president would be a bigger target than white presidents of either party previously, though.

Maybe it has more to do with the fact that he is seen as the most socialist president since FDR and is seen, by many, as a muslim? Racism may play a role, but I doubt that it is the only reason for hating him. He's a target b/c he's the biggest target there is during a time of increasing uncertainty.

See, I hear the complaints about his 'socialism' and his religion - but I'm not convinced either of those arguments even exist if he's white. Obamacare, for example, resembles Romneycare. The 'Muslim' thing has no basis. SO why are both accusations leveled at THIS president? What's so different about this one?

[Distruzio]

Maybe it has more to do with the fact that he is seen as the most socialist president since FDR and is seen, by many, as a muslim? Racism may play a role, but I doubt that it is the only reason for hating him. He's a target b/c he's the biggest target there is during a time of increasing uncertainty.

See, I hear the complaints about his 'socialism' and his religion - but I'm not convinced either of those arguments even exist if he's white. Obamacare, for example, resembles Romneycare. The 'Muslim' thing has no basis. SO why are both accusations leveled at THIS president? What's so different about this one?

A recession? Surrounded by more figures tied to private corporations than the previous guy? He "ended" Iraq by shifting some troops to Afghanistan and ordered an invasion of Pakistan? He promised to de-Bush the US but instead enhanced Bush? Then again, it might be more simple than that. Maybe it is his complexion?

I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just wondering if maybe there is more to it than a simple reactionary condemnation based upon my own bias towards the country in which I reside?

[Chetssaland]

Yes, I would say so.

lol muslim isn't a race derp lol

Wow. I can see you're all for intellegent discussion...

[Grave_n_idle]

See, I hear the complaints about his 'socialism' and his religion - but I'm not convinced either of those arguments even exist if he's white. Obamacare, for example, resembles Romneycare. The 'Muslim' thing has no basis. SO why are both accusations leveled at THIS president? What's so different about this one?

A recession? Surrounded by more figures tied to private corporations than the previous guy? He "ended" Iraq by shifting some troops to Afghanistan and ordered an invasion of Pakistan? He promised to de-Bush the US but instead enhanced Bush? Then again, it might be more simple than that. Maybe it is his complexion?

I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just wondering if maybe there is more to it than a simple reactionary condemnation based upon my own bias towards the country in which I reside?

The recession already existed under Bush - that wouldn't explain the increase in tension and threat. The Iraq/Afghanistan situation is basically an extension of Bush doctrine - so, similarly wouldn't explain the increase in tension and threat. Moreover - if the Iraq/Afghan situation DID explain it, the threats would be coming from different people. Same with the 'de-Bush' agenda.

Rightwing groups, supremacists, survivalists, etc - the threats aren't increasing from the anti-Bush crowd, or the pro-black camp, or the anti-war camp, etc.

The imagery that accompanies the threats of violence is racist. The movements that are rising against this president, are punctuated with racism.

[North Calaveras]

A recession? Surrounded by more figures tied to private corporations than the previous guy? He "ended" Iraq by shifting some troops to Afghanistan and ordered an invasion of Pakistan? He promised to de-Bush the US but instead enhanced Bush? Then again, it might be more simple than that. Maybe it is his complexion?

I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just wondering if maybe there is more to it than a simple reactionary condemnation based upon my own bias towards the country in which I reside?

The recession already existed under Bush - that wouldn't explain the increase in tension and threat. The Iraq/Afghanistan situation is basically an extension of Bush doctrine - so, similarly wouldn't explain the increase in tension and threat. Moreover - if the Iraq/Afghan situation DID explain it, the threats would be coming from different people. Same with the 'de-Bush' agenda.

Rightwing groups, supremacists, survivalists, etc - the threats aren't increasing from the anti-Bush crowd, or the pro-black camp, or the anti-war camp, etc.

The imagery that accompanies the threats of violence is racist. The movements that are rising against this president, are punctuated with racism.

Left wing groups, communists, Islamist, just replaces those words and you got the same that was at Bush. You should have seen the signs calling him a nazi and such.

[Grave_n_idle]

The recession already existed under Bush - that wouldn't explain the increase in tension and threat. The Iraq/Afghanistan situation is basically an extension of Bush doctrine - so, similarly wouldn't explain the increase in tension and threat. Moreover - if the Iraq/Afghan situation DID explain it, the threats would be coming from different people. Same with the 'de-Bush' agenda.

Rightwing groups, supremacists, survivalists, etc - the threats aren't increasing from the anti-Bush crowd, or the pro-black camp, or the anti-war camp, etc.

The imagery that accompanies the threats of violence is racist. The movements that are rising against this president, are punctuated with racism.

Left wing groups, communists, Islamist, just replaces those words and you got the same that was at Bush. You should have seen the signs calling him a nazi and such.

How many of the signs referenced his skin tone?

[Chetssaland]

A recession? Surrounded by more figures tied to private corporations than the previous guy? He "ended" Iraq by shifting some troops to Afghanistan and ordered an invasion of Pakistan? He promised to de-Bush the US but instead enhanced Bush? Then again, it might be more simple than that. Maybe it is his complexion?

I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just wondering if maybe there is more to it than a simple reactionary condemnation based upon my own bias towards the country in which I reside?

The recession already existed under Bush - that wouldn't explain the increase in tension and threat. The Iraq/Afghanistan situation is basically an extension of Bush doctrine - so, similarly wouldn't explain the increase in tension and threat. Moreover - if the Iraq/Afghan situation DID explain it, the threats would be coming from different people. Same with the 'de-Bush' agenda.

Rightwing groups, supremacists, survivalists, etc - the threats aren't increasing from the anti-Bush crowd, or the pro-black camp, or the anti-war camp, etc.

The imagery that accompanies the threats of violence is racist. The movements that are rising against this president, are punctuated with racism.

The problem a lot of people have is that is whole campaign platform was change. He didn't really provide any of that. Threats of death are uncalled for and smell of racism, but the anti-Obama movements aren't necessarily racist (even if I don't agree with the anti-Obamaism)

[Distruzio]

Left wing groups, communists, Islamist, just replaces those words and you got the same that was at Bush. You should have seen the signs calling him a nazi and such.

How many of the signs referenced his skin tone religion?

Same thing, isn't it?

[North Calaveras]

Left wing groups, communists, Islamist, just replaces those words and you got the same that was at Bush. You should have seen the signs calling him a nazi and such.

How many of the signs referenced his skin tone?

Does it matter, its typical partisan bullshit, every time a republican comes to office its "hes a rascist, nazi, right-wing crazy" and every time a democrat comes to office "A socialist, communist," Id be hard pressed to find many signs that were directly rascist.

[Grave_n_idle]

The recession already existed under Bush - that wouldn't explain the increase in tension and threat. The Iraq/Afghanistan situation is basically an extension of Bush doctrine - so, similarly wouldn't explain the increase in tension and threat. Moreover - if the Iraq/Afghan situation DID explain it, the threats would be coming from different people. Same with the 'de-Bush' agenda.

Rightwing groups, supremacists, survivalists, etc - the threats aren't increasing from the anti-Bush crowd, or the pro-black camp, or the anti-war camp, etc.

The imagery that accompanies the threats of violence is racist. The movements that are rising against this president, are punctuated with racism.

The problem a lot of people have is that is whole campaign platform was change. He didn't really provide any of that. Threats of death are uncalled for and smell of racism, but the anti-Obama movements aren't necessarily racist (even if I don't agree with the anti-Obamaism)

I agree that the change is a lot less than people seemed to be voting for. But then, realistically, 'change' was likely to have to be compromised anyway, unless Democrats got a ridiculous landslide in 2008. They didn't. Not quite. Perhaps enough to establish a mandate for change, but bugger-all leverage to actually follow through without bipartisanship.

[Grave_n_idle]

How many of the signs referenced his skin tone?

Does it matter...

A blindingly obvious and resounding 'yes'?