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Postby Chetssaland » Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:11 pm

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True, but you'll certainly agree that racism is fading more and more every year I'm sure. Despite the rise in plots to kill the president, the fact that a black man had the majority in votes (in popular vote as well as electoral) over a white man means that at least that percentage doesn't take race into consideration. That's not to say that people who voted for McCain voted for him because he's white though. There are plenty of non-racists who voted for McCain, but I doubt any racists voted for Obama.


What about racists whom are black? Not all racists are white. Saying that is racist. not saying that you have said that. A racist is someone who makes fun of antoher beacuse of thier etenticity. They can just hate one not all of them. Remember not every racist person is white, or black, or of east asiain ethenticity or brown or Tamalion skinned. There are acctually alot, so basicly I'm saying racists can varry.


Racism among older blacks is kind of high (not a majority, but a noteworthy amount), and understandably (not rightfully) so. There's a difference between prejudice and racism too. I won't deny that some Americans are slightly more nervous sitting next to an Arab than a white person on a plane. That isn't fair of course, but some people do feel that way. That doesn't mean they hate Arabs, it means they have a pre-determined opinion of them. It would be nice if we got rid of prejudices too, but it's a lot harder to get rid of. Hell, people around the world are prejudiced toward Americans. It doesn't mean they hate Americans.

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Postby Northern Dem Canada » Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:12 pm

Grave_n_idle wrote:
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Uhhhh, I know people are going to call me racist for this, but if you weigh out what Obama did and what Bush did, Obama is already set to (if not already) do more damage to the US then bush did.


EDIT: Second response to the same post, I know.

Found the chart I was looking for - see where our financial problems are REALLY coming from:

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3036


I'm unfamiliar with what TARP, Fannie, and Freddie were? Please explain.
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Postby Northern Dem Canada » Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:13 pm

Chetssaland wrote:
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What about racists whom are black? Not all racists are white. Saying that is racist. not saying that you have said that. A racist is someone who makes fun of antoher beacuse of thier etenticity. They can just hate one not all of them. Remember not every racist person is white, or black, or of east asiain ethenticity or brown or Tamalion skinned. There are acctually alot, so basicly I'm saying racists can varry.


Racism among older blacks is kind of high (not a majority, but a noteworthy amount), and understandably (not rightfully) so. There's a difference between prejudice and racism too. I won't deny that some Americans are slightly more nervous sitting next to an Arab than a white person on a plane. That isn't fair of course, but some people do feel that way. That doesn't mean they hate Arabs, it means they have a pre-determined opinion of them. It would be nice if we got rid of prejudices too, but it's a lot harder to get rid of. Hell, people around the world are prejudiced toward Americans. It doesn't mean they hate Americans.

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Postby North Calaveras » Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:13 pm

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That's not rascist lol, nationality and race are two differen't things.


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Latino is its own race?, i thought Latino was just a mix of Spanish and native Americans.
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Postby Northern Dem Canada » Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:14 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
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fixed.


Latino is its own race?, i thought Latino was just a mix of Spanish and native Americans.


I think Latino is a generalization correct?
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:14 pm

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Grave_n_idle wrote:Maybe. But then, plots to kill the President more than quadrupled since our last white president, too... so maybe not.


Source? I'd bet the more likely fact is that reports of plots to kill the president have more than quadrupled since Bush.

Aside from that, planning to kill the president doesn't necessarily indicate racism, either.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... rvice.html

It might not be about race. I don't see why the first black Democrat president would be a bigger target than white presidents of either party previously, though.
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Postby North Calaveras » Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:14 pm

Northern Dem Canada wrote:
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Latino is its own race?, i thought Latino was just a mix of Spanish and native Americans.


I think Latino is a generalization correct?


I'm not sure, maybe, im just responding to that other guy.
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Postby Roman Templars » Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:15 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
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fixed.


Latino is its own race?, i thought Latino was just a mix of Spanish and native Americans.


Fine then how is this..... e.g of racism.

All black people are stupid.

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Postby Northern Dem Canada » Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:15 pm

Roman Templars wrote:
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Latino is its own race?, i thought Latino was just a mix of Spanish and native Americans.


Fine then how is this..... e.g of racism.

All black people are stupid.


Ummm what was the point of that?
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Postby North Calaveras » Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:16 pm

Roman Templars wrote:
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Latino is its own race?, i thought Latino was just a mix of Spanish and native Americans.


Fine then how is this..... e.g of racism.

All black people are stupid.


Because blacks are negros which is a race, latinos are not a race so whenever someone calls someone a racist because they don't like Mexicans that is not racist.
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Postby Northern Dem Canada » Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:17 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
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Fine then how is this..... e.g of racism.

All black people are stupid.


Because blacks are negros which is a race, latinos are not a race so whenever someone calls someone a racist because they don't like Mexicans that is not racist.


Well then what would u call them instead of racist.
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Postby North Calaveras » Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:18 pm

Northern Dem Canada wrote:
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Because blacks are negros which is a race, latinos are not a race so whenever someone calls someone a racist because they don't like Mexicans that is not racist.


Well then what would u call them instead of racist.


IDK, but to many people jump on pro-border control as racist against Mexicans which is just false because Mexicans are not a race.
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:18 pm

Distruzio wrote:
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I'm not going to call you racist for saying that. I think you're wrong - not that I'm going to defend Obama - but because Obama's biggest flaw has been not UNDOING what Bush did, rather than actually doing anything noticeably bad.


Absolutely correct.

But I'm not saying your arguments must be racist.

Now, those people who were already protesting this president at his Inauguration? That, I think, is evidence of racism.


How is that evidence? I'm not badgering, I'm genuinely interested. B/c I saw folks protesting Bush at his inauguration? In fact, using your logic, I'd say that the mere fact that there is so much controversy surrounding Obama's skin color is itself evidence of racism - from those who support him.


People protested Bush's inauguration, you're right. Quite a big crowd, and quite enthusiastically. But then, I'm sure you remember the specifics of Bush's electoral circumstances?
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Postby Chetssaland » Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:21 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
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Well then what would u call them instead of racist.


IDK, but to many people jump on pro-border control as racist against Mexicans which is just false because Mexicans are not a race.

Racism isn't just about race though. It's about a large group of people. People can be racist towards Muslims, for example.

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Postby Grave_n_idle » Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:22 pm

Northern Dem Canada wrote:
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EDIT: Second response to the same post, I know.

Found the chart I was looking for - see where our financial problems are REALLY coming from:

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3036


I'm unfamiliar with what TARP, Fannie, and Freddie were? Please explain.


TARP: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troubled_A ... ef_Program
Fannie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fannie_Mae
Freddie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freddie_Mac
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Postby North Calaveras » Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:22 pm

Chetssaland wrote:
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IDK, but to many people jump on pro-border control as racist against Mexicans which is just false because Mexicans are not a race.

Racism isn't just about race though. It's about a large group of people. People can be racist towards Muslims, for example.


Nope, you can't be racists towards Muslims because Muslims come in all sorts of races, white, black etc etc

That's like being racist cause you hate Christians.
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Postby Northern Dem Canada » Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:22 pm

Grave_n_idle wrote:
Distruzio wrote:
Absolutely correct.



How is that evidence? I'm not badgering, I'm genuinely interested. B/c I saw folks protesting Bush at his inauguration? In fact, using your logic, I'd say that the mere fact that there is so much controversy surrounding Obama's skin color is itself evidence of racism - from those who support him.


People protested Bush's inauguration, you're right. Quite a big crowd, and quite enthusiastically. But then, I'm sure you remember the specifics of Bush's electoral circumstances?


Fucking electoral college
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Postby Chetssaland » Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:23 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Chetssaland wrote:Racism isn't just about race though. It's about a large group of people. People can be racist towards Muslims, for example.


Nope, you can't be racists towards Muslims because Muslims come in all sorts of races, white, black etc etc


Did you even read my first sentence? I said racism isn't just about race....

What else would you call it? Religionism?

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Postby Northern Dem Canada » Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:23 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Chetssaland wrote:Racism isn't just about race though. It's about a large group of people. People can be racist towards Muslims, for example.


Nope, you can't be racists towards Muslims because Muslims come in all sorts of races, white, black etc etc


Well, you can't really say religist towards muslim. The actually definition and the use of racism are completely different. I generally go off use rather then definition.
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Postby North Calaveras » Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:24 pm

Chetssaland wrote:
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Nope, you can't be racists towards Muslims because Muslims come in all sorts of races, white, black etc etc


Did you even read my first sentence? I said racism isn't just about race....

What else would you call it? Religionism?


Calm down now

I don't know what I would call it, but I would not call it rascism.
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Postby Northern Dem Canada » Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:25 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
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Did you even read my first sentence? I said racism isn't just about race....

What else would you call it? Religionism?


Calm down now

I don't know what I would call it, but I would not call it rascism.


Definition and Use :lol:
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Postby Chetssaland » Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:26 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
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Did you even read my first sentence? I said racism isn't just about race....

What else would you call it? Religionism?


Calm down now

I don't know what I would call it, but I would not call it rascism.


Calm down now? I don't know how I implied I was upset.... I'm not even arguing with you, don't know why I'd be mad.

Anyways, I would call it racist. So would lots of other people. That doesn't mean you have to, but don't get all mad if other people call it racism.

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Postby North Calaveras » Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:26 pm

Northern Dem Canada wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
Calm down now

I don't know what I would call it, but I would not call it rascism.


Definition and Use :lol:


Meh, your opinion, lets return back to why people hate America.
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:27 pm

Northern Dem Canada wrote:
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People protested Bush's inauguration, you're right. Quite a big crowd, and quite enthusiastically. But then, I'm sure you remember the specifics of Bush's electoral circumstances?


Fucking electoral college


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Postby North Calaveras » Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:27 pm

Chetssaland wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
Calm down now

I don't know what I would call it, but I would not call it rascism.


Calm down now? I don't know how I implied I was upset.... I'm not even arguing with you, don't know why I'd be mad.

Anyways, I would call it racist. So would lots of other people. That doesn't mean you have to, but don't get all mad if other people call it racism.


I don't like Muslims, am I rascist?
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