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Postby Dukopolious » Wed Jun 29, 2011 5:53 pm

I get it, and I know canada has racists, I hate them. But the thing is you can't go around saying "my nation is racist free because our president is black" it's just wrong.
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Postby Northern Dem Canada » Wed Jun 29, 2011 5:54 pm

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Dukopolious wrote:So you are saying there isn't a single racist person in the USA?


Dude, there is racism everywhere. Saying that Union States of North America (Thats what I call it.) is ignorance.


Who says that!? :rofl:
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Postby Northern Dem Canada » Wed Jun 29, 2011 5:55 pm

Dukopolious wrote:I get it, and I know canada has racists, I hate them. But the thing is you can't go around saying "my nation is racist free because our president is black" it's just wrong.


No-one said we are racist free. And your statement against Canada is racist, lol.
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Postby Chetssaland » Wed Jun 29, 2011 5:55 pm

Dukopolious wrote:I never said it didn't represent anything I'm just saying the statement that people in the USA aren't racist for the sole reason thier president is black, is wrong.

Well, you also said that sexism in India is as large as racism is in the United States. I have never been to India, but judging by the way you and the other poster from India made it sound, it is quite prevelant. If that's true, India is quite more sexist than the US is racist.

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Postby Dukopolious » Wed Jun 29, 2011 5:55 pm

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Maybe it was implied that way in your mind, but in mine and it seems most others' minds, it was not. I perfectly understand a black president doesn't mean there isn't racism, but it surely shows something.


Maybe. But then, plots to kill the President more than quadrupled since our last white president, too... so maybe not.



And that does show alot considering your last president was BUSH. Probably the worst president in the last 50 years.
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Postby Roman Templars » Wed Jun 29, 2011 5:57 pm

Northern Dem Canada wrote:
Roman Templars wrote:
Dude, there is racism everywhere. Saying that Union States of North America (Thats what I call it.) is ignorance.


Who says that!? :rofl:


the truth.

and in a short second, i'll show you proof.

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Postby Northern Dem Canada » Wed Jun 29, 2011 5:57 pm

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Maybe. But then, plots to kill the President more than quadrupled since our last white president, too... so maybe not.



And that does show alot considering your last president was BUSH. Probably the worst president in the last 50 years.


Uhhhh, I know people are going to call me racist for this, but if you weigh out what Obama did and what Bush did, Obama is already set to (if not already) do more damage to the US then bush did.
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Postby Dukopolious » Wed Jun 29, 2011 5:59 pm

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Dukopolious wrote:I never said it didn't represent anything I'm just saying the statement that people in the USA aren't racist for the sole reason thier president is black, is wrong.

Well, you also said that sexism in India is as large as racism is in the United States. I have never been to India, but judging by the way you and the other poster from India made it sound, it is quite prevelant. If that's true, India is quite more sexist than the US is racist.


Acctually I said sexism is large in india, and there is racism in the USA. Not once edid I say the amount of racists in the usa are equal or larger than thoose of sexists in india
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Wed Jun 29, 2011 5:59 pm

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Dukopolious wrote:

And that does show alot considering your last president was BUSH. Probably the worst president in the last 50 years.


Uhhhh, I know people are going to call me racist for this, but if you weigh out what Obama did and what Bush did, Obama is already set to (if not already) do more damage to the US then bush did.


I'm not going to call you racist for saying that. I think you're wrong - not that I'm going to defend Obama - but because Obama's biggest flaw has been not UNDOING what Bush did, rather than actually doing anything noticeably bad.

But I'm not saying your arguments must be racist.

Now, those people who were already protesting this president at his Inauguration? That, I think, is evidence of racism.
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Postby Chetssaland » Wed Jun 29, 2011 5:59 pm

Grave_n_idle wrote:
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Maybe it was implied that way in your mind, but in mine and it seems most others' minds, it was not. I perfectly understand a black president doesn't mean there isn't racism, but it surely shows something.


Maybe. But then, plots to kill the President more than quadrupled since our last white president, too... so maybe not.


True, but you'll certainly agree that racism is fading more and more every year I'm sure. Despite the rise in plots to kill the president, the fact that a black man had the majority in votes (in popular vote as well as electoral) over a white man means that at least that percentage doesn't take race into consideration. That's not to say that people who voted for McCain voted for him because he's white though. There are plenty of non-racists who voted for McCain, but I doubt any racists voted for Obama.

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Postby Zonolia » Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:00 pm

Another reason people hate the US is because it doesn't deserve it. The it I mean is the US doesn't deserve being a superpower, it has been around for only 250 years very young in history times...other nations such as japan and england have been around forever and they aren't powerful...why does a world newcomer get power? and not the peoples who have been around for millenia?
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Postby Distruzio » Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:01 pm

Grave_n_idle wrote:Maybe. But then, plots to kill the President more than quadrupled since our last white president, too... so maybe not.


Source? I'd bet the more likely fact is that reports of plots to kill the president have more than quadrupled since Bush.

Aside from that, planning to kill the president doesn't necessarily indicate racism, either.
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Postby Serviss » Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:01 pm

America intervenes = everyone bitches about it

America doesn't intervene = everyone bitches about it

just the way the world works, got to have someone to blame ;)
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Postby Chetssaland » Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:01 pm

Dukopolious wrote:
Chetssaland wrote:Well, you also said that sexism in India is as large as racism is in the United States. I have never been to India, but judging by the way you and the other poster from India made it sound, it is quite prevelant. If that's true, India is quite more sexist than the US is racist.


Acctually I said sexism is large in india, and there is racism in the USA. Not once edid I say the amount of racists in the usa are equal or larger than thoose of sexists in india


You said sexism is as large in India as racism is in the US. Period. At least say that your statement was wrong rather than deny you said it.

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Postby Chetssaland » Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:02 pm

Zonolia wrote:Another reason people hate the US is because it doesn't deserve it. The it I mean is the US doesn't deserve being a superpower, it has been around for only 250 years very young in history times...other nations such as japan and england have been around forever and they aren't powerful...why does a world newcomer get power? and not the peoples who have been around for millenia?


By that logic Ethiopia should be an absolute powerhouse. The age of a nation has nothing to do with it.

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Postby Dukopolious » Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:03 pm

Chetssaland wrote:
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Maybe. But then, plots to kill the President more than quadrupled since our last white president, too... so maybe not.


True, but you'll certainly agree that racism is fading more and more every year I'm sure. Despite the rise in plots to kill the president, the fact that a black man had the majority in votes (in popular vote as well as electoral) over a white man means that at least that percentage doesn't take race into consideration. That's not to say that people who voted for McCain voted for him because he's white though. There are plenty of non-racists who voted for McCain, but I doubt any racists voted for Obama.


What about racists whom are black? Not all racists are white. Saying that is racist. not saying that you have said that. A racist is someone who makes fun of antoher beacuse of thier etenticity. They can just hate one not all of them. Remember not every racist person is white, or black, or of east asiain ethenticity or brown or Tamalion skinned. There are acctually alot, so basicly I'm saying racists can varry.
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Postby North Calaveras » Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:03 pm

Zonolia wrote:Another reason people hate the US is because it doesn't deserve it. The it I mean is the US doesn't deserve being a superpower, it has been around for only 250 years very young in history times...other nations such as japan and england have been around forever and they aren't powerful...why does a world newcomer get power? and not the peoples who have been around for millenia?


Wait, DESERVE? the US didn't DESERVE being a superpower? since when were nations entitled to superpower status, it needs to be earned.
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Postby Roman Templars » Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:03 pm

Northern Dem Canada wrote:
Dukopolious wrote:

And that does show alot considering your last president was BUSH. Probably the worst president in the last 50 years.


Uhhhh, I know people are going to call me racist for this, but if you weigh out what Obama did and what Bush did, Obama is already set to (if not already) do more damage to the US then bush did.


Racism (and i'll take back of misusing the word that I did earlier) in my opinion is hating the entire race or believing something that is false about that race.

e.g. All dem mexican are boarder hoppers.
etc. etc.

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Postby North Calaveras » Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:03 pm

Serviss wrote:America intervenes = everyone bitches about it

America doesn't intervene = everyone bitches about it

just the way the world works, got to have someone to blame ;)


This

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Postby Distruzio » Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:03 pm

Grave_n_idle wrote:
Northern Dem Canada wrote:
Uhhhh, I know people are going to call me racist for this, but if you weigh out what Obama did and what Bush did, Obama is already set to (if not already) do more damage to the US then bush did.


I'm not going to call you racist for saying that. I think you're wrong - not that I'm going to defend Obama - but because Obama's biggest flaw has been not UNDOING what Bush did, rather than actually doing anything noticeably bad.


Absolutely correct.

But I'm not saying your arguments must be racist.

Now, those people who were already protesting this president at his Inauguration? That, I think, is evidence of racism.


How is that evidence? I'm not badgering, I'm genuinely interested. B/c I saw folks protesting Bush at his inauguration? In fact, using your logic, I'd say that the mere fact that there is so much controversy surrounding Obama's skin color is itself evidence of racism - from those who support him.
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Postby North Calaveras » Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:04 pm

Roman Templars wrote:
Northern Dem Canada wrote:
Uhhhh, I know people are going to call me racist for this, but if you weigh out what Obama did and what Bush did, Obama is already set to (if not already) do more damage to the US then bush did.


Racism (and i'll take back of misusing the word that I did earlier) in my opinion is hating the entire race or believing something that is false about that race.

e.g. All dem mexican are boarder hoppers.
etc. etc.


That's not rascist lol, nationality and race are two differen't things.
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:05 pm

Northern Dem Canada wrote:
Dukopolious wrote:

And that does show alot considering your last president was BUSH. Probably the worst president in the last 50 years.


Uhhhh, I know people are going to call me racist for this, but if you weigh out what Obama did and what Bush did, Obama is already set to (if not already) do more damage to the US then bush did.


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Postby Serviss » Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:05 pm

Zonolia wrote:Another reason people hate the US is because it doesn't deserve it. The it I mean is the US doesn't deserve being a superpower, it has been around for only 250 years very young in history times...other nations such as japan and england have been around forever and they aren't powerful...why does a world newcomer get power? and not the peoples who have been around for millenia?


Because of the population and industrial factors
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Postby Northern Dem Canada » Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:08 pm

Grave_n_idle wrote:
Northern Dem Canada wrote:
Uhhhh, I know people are going to call me racist for this, but if you weigh out what Obama did and what Bush did, Obama is already set to (if not already) do more damage to the US then bush did.


I'm not going to call you racist for saying that. I think you're wrong - not that I'm going to defend Obama - but because Obama's biggest flaw has been not UNDOING what Bush did, rather than actually doing anything noticeably bad.

But I'm not saying your arguments must be racist.

Now, those people who were already protesting this president at his Inauguration? That, I think, is evidence of racism.


I agree with the protest at inauguration part 100%, that's just pure racism.

However, I would like to defend my opinion. (I can explain these if you wish)

Governmental abuse of power
Spying on Americans by the National Security Agency
Loss of freedom under the USA Patriot Act
Loss of 'internet rights'
Debt growing further
Pulling troops out of middle east, while still intervening it many situations
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I can name more but, you'll have to give me some time.
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Postby Roman Templars » Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:09 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Roman Templars wrote:
Racism (and i'll take back of misusing the word that I did earlier) in my opinion is hating the entire race or believing something that is false about that race.

e.g. All demmexican latinos are boarder hoppers.
etc. etc.


That's not rascist lol, nationality and race are two differen't things.


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