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Postby Keronians » Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:21 pm

Vitaphone Racing wrote:
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Ok, so by his logic, there is clearly a move away from sexism in India.

Well if you guys had a female prime minister, there obviously isn't a Men>Woman idealogy which is imprinted into everyone's mind at birth.

There was an imprinted ideology similar to that in pre-1970's America


You need to visit a village in India sometime.

Or, hell, the rough parts of a Mumbai suburb.
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Postby Vitaphone Racing » Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:24 pm

Keronians wrote:
Vitaphone Racing wrote:Well if you guys had a female prime minister, there obviously isn't a Men>Woman idealogy which is imprinted into everyone's mind at birth.

There was an imprinted ideology similar to that in pre-1970's America


You need to visit a village in India sometime.

Or, hell, the rough parts of a Mumbai suburb.

Are you implying that there is government sanctioned and enforced sexism or are you trying to say that there is a large population of men who think women belong in the kitchen?

You will never wholly cure sexism just like you can't cure racism or bullying, or fat jokes etc. I would hazard a guess to say what goes on in India really isn't any different to what goes on elsewhere in the civilised world.
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Postby North Calaveras » Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:24 pm

Keronians wrote:
Vitaphone Racing wrote:Well if you guys had a female prime minister, there obviously isn't a Men>Woman idealogy which is imprinted into everyone's mind at birth.

There was an imprinted ideology similar to that in pre-1970's America


You need to visit a village in India sometime.

Or, hell, the rough parts of a Mumbai suburb.


I'm curious have you visited a village in india?
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Postby EnragedMaldivians » Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:25 pm

Vitaphone Racing wrote:
Keronians wrote:
Ok, so by his logic, there is clearly a move away from sexism in India.

Well if you guys had a female prime minister, there obviously isn't a Men>Woman idealogy which is imprinted into everyone's mind at birth.

There was an imprinted ideology similar to that in pre-1970's America


Perhaps Pakistan is a better example; misogyny in that country is well documented, and yet they still managed to have Benazhair Bhutto as a Prime Minister.
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Postby Keronians » Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:30 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
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You need to visit a village in India sometime.

Or, hell, the rough parts of a Mumbai suburb.


I'm curious have you visited a village in india?


Yup. Several, actually.
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Postby Chetssaland » Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:33 pm

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Bordmania wrote:A) Agreed.

B) A bit exaggerated. The majority of the population does not consider race important, and that majority grows each day. And I'm not sure where you get the idea that America doesn't have political freedoms.

C) Because a few people started doing it and it got them a lot of money, so more people started imitating them. Then we were left with such atrocities as "Soulja Boy Tellem", arguably the worst thing to happen to music.

D) Tourism seems to bring out the worst of most countries' citizens.


B source please.


Troll lolololololol.

Source that you lived in the United States for four years? Source that politics is spelled 'polotics' (you spelled it that way, therefore you're saying it's spelled that way).

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Postby Chetssaland » Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:34 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Keronians wrote:
You need to visit a village in India sometime.

Or, hell, the rough parts of a Mumbai suburb.


I'm curious have you visited a village in india?


I think he's from India, if I remember him correctly.

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Postby Minnysota » Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:34 pm

Churchilland wrote:A Few reasons:

A) America is a powerful nation and people are jealous and fearful of power, when China becomes number 1 in the near future people will start hating them more


I stopped reading after this because I was laughing so hard.
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Postby Keronians » Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:35 pm

Chetssaland wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
I'm curious have you visited a village in india?


I think he's from India, if I remember him correctly.


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Postby Chetssaland » Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:38 pm

Keronians wrote:
Chetssaland wrote:
I think he's from India, if I remember him correctly.


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Postby Grave_n_idle » Wed Jun 29, 2011 5:16 pm

Bordmania wrote:
Dukopolious wrote:
Please show a qoute of Grave saying that e ha only experinced a small area.

Grave_n_idle wrote:
You can disagree all you like, but you're wrong. You can't tell me that my experience is invalid.

The best you can hope for, is to convince me that, say Atlanta, isn't as bad as the rural North East (for example). And I'd agree. Which is why I made the point of saying that the racism might be less pronounced in the bigger towns. That's my experience.

It's off-topic, anyway, I guess - but you simply don't get to dictate how you think reality should appear to me. I don't accept it. I do not. Because I constantly hear and see it. I see Georgians do things that civilised Americans should never do... talk about how a 'nigger president' will ruin the country, suggest rounding up all the queers and burning them, put Ron Paul signs in their yards, all kinds of barbarism.

He concedes that these experiences mainly came from the rural North East of Georgia.


"For example". It's where I am currently. Apart from the west coast, I've covered most of it. I was describing behaviour I have experienced in 'the South'. For example, rural North East Georgia.
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Wed Jun 29, 2011 5:17 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:
Half right. Brit living in America.


Okay your British living in the United States for how long, in what area and have you traveled the whole US and gotten an idea of everyone?


A decade, most of the US (not the west coast), a sampling of people.
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Wed Jun 29, 2011 5:19 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Dukopolious wrote:And how long have you lived in the us and have YOU travled the entire nation long enoguh in each area to develope a ligitiment opinion on the entire nation based on the results of the area you live din in each area?


Ive lived here my entire life, traveled the western states of oregon, nevada, washington, montana, arizona and california.


Oh, so you've no real experience of the south, most of the middle, or any of the east?

I'm glad you admit you have no real experience.
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Postby Dukopolious » Wed Jun 29, 2011 5:33 pm

I've been to india, most aranged marriges go like this:

Wife an grom's parents are friends or buisness partners of some time

"I'll let my daughter marry your son if you invest" or something like that and the daughter (Woman) has no say. sexism is large in india. Just like how there is racism is in the USA. Using your countries leader as an excuse to say none of this discrimination exists is like saying "I have cows in my country so no one here is lactose intolerent"

Hitler hated jews, that doesn't mean every german under his rule hated jews. Would you like more examples?
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Postby Roman Templars » Wed Jun 29, 2011 5:38 pm

Dukopolious wrote:I've been to india, most aranged marriges go like this:

Wife an grom's parents are friends or buisness partners of some time

"I'll let my daughter marry your son if you invest" or something like that and the daughter (Woman) has no say. sexism is large in india as racism is in the USA. Using your countries leader as an excuse to say none of this discrimination exists is like saying "I have cows in my country so no one here is lactose intolerent"

Hitler hated jews, that doesn't mean every german under his rule hated jews. Would you like more examples?


USA isn't racist you ass goblin!

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Postby Dukopolious » Wed Jun 29, 2011 5:39 pm

So you are saying there isn't a single racist person in the USA?
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Postby Chetssaland » Wed Jun 29, 2011 5:43 pm

Dukopolious wrote:I've been to india, most aranged marriges go like this:

Wife an grom's parents are friends or buisness partners of some time

"I'll let my daughter marry your son if you invest" or something like that and the daughter (Woman) has no say. sexism is large in india as racism is in the USA. Using your countries leader as an excuse to say none of this discrimination exists is like saying "I have cows in my country so no one here is lactose intolerent"

Hitler hated jews, that doesn't mean every german under his rule hated jews. Would you like more examples?


I'm sorry, but racism in the US is not as large as sexism is in India (if it is as bad as what it is said to be). I completely understand the racism in the south, but other than that most people don't care. I'd say at least 85-90% are not racist, since most of the racism is in the smaller towns. Racism is at such a low level that it can be laughed at and joked about now. I don't what I look like when I say this, but I can be jokingly racist to my friends/acquaintenes who are black, hispanic, etc. In most communities outside the south, racism really doesn't exist.

My only proof is my experience, other than the proof that racism can be laughed at. For that, watch almost any American comedy show.

EDIT: :palm: I accidently said I understand racism in the south. I meant I understand that racism exists in the south. Very sorry.
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Postby Northern Dem Canada » Wed Jun 29, 2011 5:44 pm

Dukopolious wrote:So you are saying there isn't a single racist person in the USA?


He's saying USA itself isn't racist.
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Postby Dukopolious » Wed Jun 29, 2011 5:47 pm

Northern Dem Canada wrote:
Dukopolious wrote:So you are saying there isn't a single racist person in the USA?


He's saying USA itself isn't racist.


I understand that but as I posted before I said you can't say your nation has none of a single thing (E.g. racism) if ther eis infact atleast one of it. (Racist person)

And I understand racism isn't big i's just that it was implyed that beacuse your president is black that means your nation is completly agesnt racism.
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Postby Chetssaland » Wed Jun 29, 2011 5:49 pm

Dukopolious wrote:
Northern Dem Canada wrote:
He's saying USA itself isn't racist.


I understand that but as I posted before I said you can't say your nation has none of a single thing (E.g. racism) if ther eis infact atleast one of it. (Racist person)

And I understand racism isn't big i's just that it was implyed that beacuse your president is black that means your nation is completly agesnt racism.


Maybe it was implied that way in your mind, but in mine and it seems most others' minds, it was not. I perfectly understand a black president doesn't mean there isn't racism, but it surely shows something.

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Postby Roman Templars » Wed Jun 29, 2011 5:51 pm

Dukopolious wrote:So you are saying there isn't a single racist person in the USA?


Dude, there is racism everywhere. Saying that Union States of North America (Thats what I call it.) is ignorance.
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Wed Jun 29, 2011 5:51 pm

Roman Templars wrote:
Dukopolious wrote:I've been to india, most aranged marriges go like this:

Wife an grom's parents are friends or buisness partners of some time

"I'll let my daughter marry your son if you invest" or something like that and the daughter (Woman) has no say. sexism is large in india as racism is in the USA. Using your countries leader as an excuse to say none of this discrimination exists is like saying "I have cows in my country so no one here is lactose intolerent"

Hitler hated jews, that doesn't mean every german under his rule hated jews. Would you like more examples?


USA isn't racist you ass goblin!


Might want to tone that down. Flaming might end up getting you in trouble with moderation.
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Postby Dukopolious » Wed Jun 29, 2011 5:52 pm

I never said it didn't represent anything I'm just saying the statement that people in the USA aren't racist for the sole reason thier president is black, is wrong.
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Postby Northern Dem Canada » Wed Jun 29, 2011 5:52 pm

Dukopolious wrote:
Northern Dem Canada wrote:
He's saying USA itself isn't racist.


I understand that but as I posted before I said you can't say your nation has none of a single thing (E.g. racism) if ther eis infact atleast one of it. (Racist person)

And I understand racism isn't big i's just that it was implyed that beacuse your president is black that means your nation is completly agesnt racism.


I concure that not 100% of our nation is not racist (obviously), I also agree with your other statement. But your statement implys that since someone in the US is racist, then the US itself is not-not racist.

(I just fucking confused myself sooo bad :rofl: )
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Wed Jun 29, 2011 5:53 pm

Chetssaland wrote:
Dukopolious wrote:
I understand that but as I posted before I said you can't say your nation has none of a single thing (E.g. racism) if ther eis infact atleast one of it. (Racist person)

And I understand racism isn't big i's just that it was implyed that beacuse your president is black that means your nation is completly agesnt racism.


Maybe it was implied that way in your mind, but in mine and it seems most others' minds, it was not. I perfectly understand a black president doesn't mean there isn't racism, but it surely shows something.


Maybe. But then, plots to kill the President more than quadrupled since our last white president, too... so maybe not.
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