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Postby Grave_n_idle » Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:09 pm

Bordmania wrote:
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I'm neither quick to judge, nor ignorant. My opinion of America is based on years of experience.

Years of experience in one small area. One small area that you used to judge a huge portion of a huge country.
oh god irony everywhere


You're under the impression I've only experienced one small area?
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Postby Dukopolious » Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:11 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:
'Experiencing' America.


experiencing it how? running through internet forums? what the fuck do you DO!

I lived in the usa for nearly 4 years because of my apernt's divrce. I'd much rather be a street bum in a non-corrupt country (Which BTW wasn't the alternativethat was to like in a suburb in canada which I now do :D )
The governemnt and polotics are curropt, the children are stupid (It's sad that someone who grew up with a different ciriculum knows math 3 grades ahead of the grade he's in.) And the millitary is reckless

"He they attacked us so lets go and kill thousands of civilians in thier country which THEY are inslaving for the small chance that we will hit one of them not to mention one of the largest reasons they ar ein power is because of us, and now lets send a huge amount of soldiers to watse taxpayers dollars just so we can get some satisfaction and I can win the next election insted of some next democrat"
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Postby Bordmania » Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:12 pm

Churchilland wrote:A Few reasons:

A) America is a powerful nation and people are jealous and fearful of power, when China becomes number 1 in the near future people will start hating them more

B) America is slightly condratictory: "Land of the Free" yet it has less political freedoms than ancient monarchies such as Britain and Norway
and that some races are still treated less fairly in the US

C) American culture is tad annoying... why the hell did you make rap a large scale thing?!

D) Most of your tourists are stupid, I have experienced two examples the last time I went to London, one of them were:
"How dare they take my camera away!" when on the enterance to the crown rooms are signs saying: No Photography and another one was that an American asked me where the London eye was... when she was under a signpost.

I am not against America but sometimes I must admit, you lot annoy me a bit :/ Sorry

A) Agreed.

B) A bit exaggerated. The majority of the population does not consider race important, and that majority grows each day. And I'm not sure where you get the idea that America doesn't have political freedoms.

C) Because a few people started doing it and it got them a lot of money, so more people started imitating them. Then we were left with such atrocities as "Soulja Boy Tellem", arguably the worst thing to happen to music.

D) Tourism seems to bring out the worst of most countries' citizens.
New East Ireland wrote:I want to be tied to the top of a palm tree on a 16 ft. by 17 ft. beach island in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. Then, I want fifteen tribal men, Barack Obama, and a Jewish man dressed as Adolf Hitler to perform a Native American dance, and then I want the English voice actor of L from Death Note to recite the words of Baby by Justin Bieber. Afterwords, I would like the Jewish man dressed as Hitler to kill a tiger shark with a broadsword, and burn his heart on the beach. Once all of that is complete, I want to be shoved into a nuclear warhead, and be launched to Siberia, where a nuclear explosion will wipe me out.

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Postby Dukopolious » Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:13 pm

Bordmania wrote:
Churchilland wrote:A Few reasons:

A) America is a powerful nation and people are jealous and fearful of power, when China becomes number 1 in the near future people will start hating them more

B) America is slightly condratictory: "Land of the Free" yet it has less political freedoms than ancient monarchies such as Britain and Norway
and that some races are still treated less fairly in the US

C) American culture is tad annoying... why the hell did you make rap a large scale thing?!

D) Most of your tourists are stupid, I have experienced two examples the last time I went to London, one of them were:
"How dare they take my camera away!" when on the enterance to the crown rooms are signs saying: No Photography and another one was that an American asked me where the London eye was... when she was under a signpost.

I am not against America but sometimes I must admit, you lot annoy me a bit :/ Sorry

A) Agreed.

B) A bit exaggerated. The majority of the population does not consider race important, and that majority grows each day. And I'm not sure where you get the idea that America doesn't have political freedoms.

C) Because a few people started doing it and it got them a lot of money, so more people started imitating them. Then we were left with such atrocities as "Soulja Boy Tellem", arguably the worst thing to happen to music.

D) Tourism seems to bring out the worst of most countries' citizens.


B source please.
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Postby Bordmania » Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:14 pm

Grave_n_idle wrote:
Bordmania wrote:Years of experience in one small area. One small area that you used to judge a huge portion of a huge country.
oh god irony everywhere


You're under the impression I've only experienced one small area?

That's basically what you said earlier. Anyway, looking back at the post, the guy you responded to was misinformed.
New East Ireland wrote:I want to be tied to the top of a palm tree on a 16 ft. by 17 ft. beach island in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. Then, I want fifteen tribal men, Barack Obama, and a Jewish man dressed as Adolf Hitler to perform a Native American dance, and then I want the English voice actor of L from Death Note to recite the words of Baby by Justin Bieber. Afterwords, I would like the Jewish man dressed as Hitler to kill a tiger shark with a broadsword, and burn his heart on the beach. Once all of that is complete, I want to be shoved into a nuclear warhead, and be launched to Siberia, where a nuclear explosion will wipe me out.

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Postby Grave_n_idle » Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:16 pm

Keronians wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
experiencing it how? running through internet forums? what the fuck do you DO!


He lives in America, and is American, IIRC.


Half right. Brit living in America.
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Postby Bordmania » Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:16 pm

Dukopolious wrote:
Bordmania wrote:A) Agreed.

B) A bit exaggerated. The majority of the population does not consider race important, and that majority grows each day. And I'm not sure where you get the idea that America doesn't have political freedoms.

C) Because a few people started doing it and it got them a lot of money, so more people started imitating them. Then we were left with such atrocities as "Soulja Boy Tellem", arguably the worst thing to happen to music.

D) Tourism seems to bring out the worst of most countries' citizens.


B source please.

You need a source? Ask almost any US American. Almost everyone I know (And I live in Texas) realizes that race is a social construct.
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New East Ireland wrote:I want to be tied to the top of a palm tree on a 16 ft. by 17 ft. beach island in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. Then, I want fifteen tribal men, Barack Obama, and a Jewish man dressed as Adolf Hitler to perform a Native American dance, and then I want the English voice actor of L from Death Note to recite the words of Baby by Justin Bieber. Afterwords, I would like the Jewish man dressed as Hitler to kill a tiger shark with a broadsword, and burn his heart on the beach. Once all of that is complete, I want to be shoved into a nuclear warhead, and be launched to Siberia, where a nuclear explosion will wipe me out.

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Postby Dukopolious » Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:17 pm

Bordmania wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:
You're under the impression I've only experienced one small area?

That's basically what you said earlier. Anyway, looking back at the post, the guy you responded to was misinformed.


Please show a qoute of Grave saying that e ha only experinced a small area.
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Postby Dukopolious » Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:18 pm

Bordmania wrote:
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B source please.

You need a source? Ask almost any US American.


That doesn't guarrentee results, they could all be lying for all we know the rate of racists could be RISING every day. Perhaps just your region is decreasing? Please provide a soruce or your point will be counted as null and void.
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Postby North Calaveras » Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:18 pm

Grave_n_idle wrote:
Keronians wrote:
He lives in America, and is American, IIRC.


Half right. Brit living in America.


Okay your British living in the United States for how long, in what area and have you traveled the whole US and gotten an idea of everyone?
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Postby Dukopolious » Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:19 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:
Half right. Brit living in America.


Okay your British living in the United States for how long, in what area and have you traveled the whole US and gotten an idea of everyone?

And how long have you lived in the us and have YOU travled the entire nation long enoguh in each area to develope a ligitiment opinion on the entire nation based on the results of the area you live din in each area?
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Postby Bordmania » Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:20 pm

Dukopolious wrote:
Bordmania wrote:That's basically what you said earlier. Anyway, looking back at the post, the guy you responded to was misinformed.


Please show a qoute of Grave saying that e ha only experinced a small area.

Grave_n_idle wrote:
Distruzio wrote:
I can when it comes to racism. B/c I live in the same state as you. In fact, my first house was in Atlanta. I am one of those minorities. And I pass daily for a latino immigrant (consider Georgia's pending Arizona-style legislation) b/c of my mixed heritage. I have for 30 years. You're overreacting to your personal experiences and applying them to an entire region. Racism simply doesn't make sense in the entire South. Those few ignorant racists in the South do not, in any way, represent even an eighth of the population down here. Hell, I'm even part of several political organizations populated by accused racists and admitted secessionists b/c I am a secessionist. I eat supper several times a month with the most redneck of redneck yankee haters, several of whom are on the board of directors for the League of the South and other organizations and I've yet to encounter the slightest bit of racism.

Sorry, GNI. I'm going to have to disagree with you. As I said, there are many things the South does need to work on. But racism isn't one of them.


You can disagree all you like, but you're wrong. You can't tell me that my experience is invalid.

The best you can hope for, is to convince me that, say Atlanta, isn't as bad as the rural North East (for example). And I'd agree. Which is why I made the point of saying that the racism might be less pronounced in the bigger towns. That's my experience.

It's off-topic, anyway, I guess - but you simply don't get to dictate how you think reality should appear to me. I don't accept it. I do not. Because I constantly hear and see it. I see Georgians do things that civilised Americans should never do... talk about how a 'nigger president' will ruin the country, suggest rounding up all the queers and burning them, put Ron Paul signs in their yards, all kinds of barbarism.

He concedes that these experiences mainly came from the rural North East of Georgia.
New East Ireland wrote:I want to be tied to the top of a palm tree on a 16 ft. by 17 ft. beach island in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. Then, I want fifteen tribal men, Barack Obama, and a Jewish man dressed as Adolf Hitler to perform a Native American dance, and then I want the English voice actor of L from Death Note to recite the words of Baby by Justin Bieber. Afterwords, I would like the Jewish man dressed as Hitler to kill a tiger shark with a broadsword, and burn his heart on the beach. Once all of that is complete, I want to be shoved into a nuclear warhead, and be launched to Siberia, where a nuclear explosion will wipe me out.

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Postby Bordmania » Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:21 pm

Dukopolious wrote:
Bordmania wrote:You need a source? Ask almost any US American.


That doesn't guarrentee results, they could all be lying for all we know the rate of racists could be RISING every day. Perhaps just your region is decreasing? Please provide a soruce or your point will be counted as null and void.

"They could be lying" is a terrible argument. You could discount any poll as that. I'm wondering how you expect me to get a statistic of how many people are racist if you think that people are going to lie.
New East Ireland wrote:I want to be tied to the top of a palm tree on a 16 ft. by 17 ft. beach island in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. Then, I want fifteen tribal men, Barack Obama, and a Jewish man dressed as Adolf Hitler to perform a Native American dance, and then I want the English voice actor of L from Death Note to recite the words of Baby by Justin Bieber. Afterwords, I would like the Jewish man dressed as Hitler to kill a tiger shark with a broadsword, and burn his heart on the beach. Once all of that is complete, I want to be shoved into a nuclear warhead, and be launched to Siberia, where a nuclear explosion will wipe me out.

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Postby Dukopolious » Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:23 pm

Bordmania wrote:
Dukopolious wrote:
Please show a qoute of Grave saying that e ha only experinced a small area.

Grave_n_idle wrote:
You can disagree all you like, but you're wrong. You can't tell me that my experience is invalid.

The best you can hope for, is to convince me that, say Atlanta, isn't as bad as the rural North East (for example). And I'd agree. Which is why I made the point of saying that the racism might be less pronounced in the bigger towns. That's my experience.

It's off-topic, anyway, I guess - but you simply don't get to dictate how you think reality should appear to me. I don't accept it. I do not. Because I constantly hear and see it. I see Georgians do things that civilised Americans should never do... talk about how a 'nigger president' will ruin the country, suggest rounding up all the queers and burning them, put Ron Paul signs in their yards, all kinds of barbarism.

He concedes that these experiences mainly came from the rural North East of Georgia.


He gave you 2 examples of places he has been not saying he was limited to or thoose were the only areas he has been to.
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Postby North Calaveras » Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:23 pm

Dukopolious wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
Okay your British living in the United States for how long, in what area and have you traveled the whole US and gotten an idea of everyone?

And how long have you lived in the us and have YOU travled the entire nation long enoguh in each area to develope a ligitiment opinion on the entire nation based on the results of the area you live din in each area?


Ive lived here my entire life, traveled the western states of oregon, nevada, washington, montana, arizona and california.
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Postby Dukopolious » Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:24 pm

Bordmania wrote:
Dukopolious wrote:
That doesn't guarrentee results, they could all be lying for all we know the rate of racists could be RISING every day. Perhaps just your region is decreasing? Please provide a soruce or your point will be counted as null and void.

"They could be lying" is a terrible argument. You could discount any poll as that. I'm wondering how you expect me to get a statistic of how many people are racist if you think that people are going to lie.

Well unless you are willing to show me a source that racism rates are decreasing how do I know just YOU aren'ting lieing for the sole reason to protect your point?
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Postby Bordmania » Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:25 pm

Dukopolious wrote:
Bordmania wrote:"They could be lying" is a terrible argument. You could discount any poll as that. I'm wondering how you expect me to get a statistic of how many people are racist if you think that people are going to lie.

Well unless you are willing to show me a source that racism rates are decreasing how do I know just YOU aren'ting lieing for the sole reason to protect your point?

What sources do you have? And I don't like the fact that you're basically saying "You're probably lying, so your point is invalid."
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Postby Dukopolious » Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:26 pm

Bordmania wrote:
Dukopolious wrote:Well unless you are willing to show me a source that racism rates are decreasing how do I know just YOU aren'ting lieing for the sole reason to protect your point?

What sources do you have? And I don't like the fact that you're basically saying "You're probably lying, so your point is invalid."

All I'm asking for is a single source saying that racism rates are declining. I can say cows are purple, if you asked me to source it I couldn't because it isn't TRUE.
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Postby Bordmania » Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:29 pm

Dukopolious wrote:
Bordmania wrote:What sources do you have? And I don't like the fact that you're basically saying "You're probably lying, so your point is invalid."

All I'm asking for is a single source saying that racism rates are declining. I can say cows are purple, if you asked me to source it I couldn't because it isn't TRUE.

If you don't value any sort of personal anecdotes, then why the fuck were you jumping on me for challenging Grave's personal account?
New East Ireland wrote:I want to be tied to the top of a palm tree on a 16 ft. by 17 ft. beach island in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. Then, I want fifteen tribal men, Barack Obama, and a Jewish man dressed as Adolf Hitler to perform a Native American dance, and then I want the English voice actor of L from Death Note to recite the words of Baby by Justin Bieber. Afterwords, I would like the Jewish man dressed as Hitler to kill a tiger shark with a broadsword, and burn his heart on the beach. Once all of that is complete, I want to be shoved into a nuclear warhead, and be launched to Siberia, where a nuclear explosion will wipe me out.

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Postby Dukopolious » Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:31 pm

Bordmania wrote:
Dukopolious wrote:All I'm asking for is a single source saying that racism rates are declining. I can say cows are purple, if you asked me to source it I couldn't because it isn't TRUE.

If you don't value any sort of personal anecdotes, then why the fuck were you jumping on me for challenging Grave's personal account?

Firstly calm your self down.
Secondly I challenged you on that because you had no way of verifying grave was iscolated to one area, you can't provide a source to wher one person ahs been, but to fact and statistic you can via a source. Unless you've been folowing grave around taking pictures of her in every location in america that grave has ever been to you can't prove he is in only one small area.
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Postby Bordmania » Wed Jun 29, 2011 3:32 pm

Anyway, just look at 50 years ago. Racism was extremely rampant. Even 30 years ago political strategists were making public statements about how "Negrophobe whites" were a valuable voting demographic.
Now we have a black president. I don't see what could be more evident than that.
New East Ireland wrote:I want to be tied to the top of a palm tree on a 16 ft. by 17 ft. beach island in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. Then, I want fifteen tribal men, Barack Obama, and a Jewish man dressed as Adolf Hitler to perform a Native American dance, and then I want the English voice actor of L from Death Note to recite the words of Baby by Justin Bieber. Afterwords, I would like the Jewish man dressed as Hitler to kill a tiger shark with a broadsword, and burn his heart on the beach. Once all of that is complete, I want to be shoved into a nuclear warhead, and be launched to Siberia, where a nuclear explosion will wipe me out.

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Postby Keronians » Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:13 pm

Bordmania wrote:Anyway, just look at 50 years ago. Racism was extremely rampant. Even 30 years ago political strategists were making public statements about how "Negrophobe whites" were a valuable voting demographic.
Now we have a black president. I don't see what could be more evident than that.


By that logic, there is no sexism in India because we've had a woman Prime Minister.
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Postby North Calaveras » Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:14 pm

Keronians wrote:
Bordmania wrote:Anyway, just look at 50 years ago. Racism was extremely rampant. Even 30 years ago political strategists were making public statements about how "Negrophobe whites" were a valuable voting demographic.
Now we have a black president. I don't see what could be more evident than that.


By that logic, there is no sexism in India because we've had a woman Prime Minister.


I don't think you understand, hes pointing out that there is clearly a move froward away from racism in the united states.
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Postby Keronians » Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:15 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Keronians wrote:
By that logic, there is no sexism in India because we've had a woman Prime Minister.


I don't think you understand, hes pointing out that there is clearly a move froward away from racism in the united states.


Ok, so by his logic, there is clearly a move away from sexism in India.
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Postby Vitaphone Racing » Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:20 pm

Keronians wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
I don't think you understand, hes pointing out that there is clearly a move froward away from racism in the united states.


Ok, so by his logic, there is clearly a move away from sexism in India.

Well if you guys had a female prime minister, there obviously isn't a Men>Woman idealogy which is imprinted into everyone's mind at birth.

There was an imprinted ideology similar to that in pre-1970's America
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