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Postby Varazhdin » Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:57 am

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I suppose that the fact that the human species has two sexes leads to sexism?


It can do, but not in this context; as it's a fact that women are different from men, but it's not a fact that your neighbour with the red flag is ethnically different from you with the blue flag.


So? No matter how matter how many things, like ethnicity, we could have in common he might be to me, I could still find some category that makes us different to hate him for.....

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Postby H-Alba » Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:57 am

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H-Alba wrote:… England invaded us before the Stewarts became the Royal Family of England as well. Perhaps you should be the one to read a history book? During the second and third interregnum of the Scottish Royal Family the English had occupied Scotland, and set up their own lords and nobles. Why did the Scottish Parliament vote to unite as a country? Because they were Lowlanders, ethnically similar to the English, and culturally identical in nearly every aspect. Not very fair for the highlanders and gaels, now was it?


Yes, what a shame that those poor, apelike mountaindwelling highland cavemen had to come and live in cities like proper human beings and learn a real language, so sad.


I'm sorry, but as an ethnic Scottish Gael, who is proud of his heritage and language I would prefer you to not insult my culture and ancestors. It was our way of life, we were happy and content, the English and Lowlanders had no right to subjugate and try to obliterate a culture
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Postby SD_Film Artists » Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:59 am

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It can do, but not in this context; as it's a fact that women are different from men, but it's not a fact that your neighbour with the red flag is ethnically different from you with the blue flag.


So? No matter how matter how many things, like ethnicity, we could have in common he might be to me, I could still find some category that makes us different to hate him for.....


Indeed, like politics, but for gods sake don't do it because of some misguided idea of having a unique ethnicity.
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Postby Der Teutoniker » Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:59 am

Forsakia wrote:Are you really trying to push the idea of a genetic difference?


Ethnicity =/= genetics only.
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Postby SD_Film Artists » Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:00 pm

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Yes, what a shame that those poor, apelike mountaindwelling highland cavemen had to come and live in cities like proper human beings and learn a real language, so sad.


I'm sorry, but as an ethnic Scottish Gael, who is proud of his heritage and language I would prefer you to not insult my culture and ancestors. It was our way of life, we were happy and content, the English and Lowlanders had no right to subjugate and try to obliterate a culture


How was it obliterated? If anything it grew larger- what with bagpipes being played in Hong Kong..
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Postby Conscentia » Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:00 pm

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Yes it is,
because different people speak different languages. Language is a simbol of identity just like pretty much anything else that makes one person different from another person, like colour of persons house, or his favourite kind of music. Of course, it would be much simpler if we all lived in identical houses, ate identical food, or listen to identical music, but we don't do that.


Except that Languages isn't representative of personality/lifestyle.


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Postby Indeos » Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:02 pm

No, we shouldn't bother. Linguistic Darwinism will ensure only the best language or languages survives. The same should be applied to culture.
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Postby Varazhdin » Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:03 pm

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So? No matter how matter how many things, like ethnicity, we could have in common he might be to me, I could still find some category that makes us different to hate him for.....


Indeed, like politics, but for gods sake don't do it because of some misguided idea of having a unique ethnicity.


Excuse me, but don't know of any other people on Earth to have the same name for themselves like my people.

Btw., what is your going definition of ethnicity anyway?

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Postby SD_Film Artists » Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:03 pm

Indeos wrote:No, we shouldn't bother. Linguistic Darwinism will ensure only the best language or languages survives. The same should be applied to culture.


The problem is that governments get in the way of Linguistic Darwinism.
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Postby Rhodmhire » Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:04 pm

Having a single new worldwide language is where I want us to be heading, honestly. That would be fantastic.

However, I can see how the death of languages can be detrimental to cultures. Eh, let's make sure we know what we think we need to know about the culture from its language and then keep moving toward the goal of a pre-Babel humanity.
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Postby Varazhdin » Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:05 pm

SD_Film Artists wrote:
Indeos wrote:No, we shouldn't bother. Linguistic Darwinism will ensure only the best language or languages survives. The same should be applied to culture.


The problem is that governments get in the way of Linguistic Darwinism.


Darwinism of any kind doesn't apply to humans.

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Postby Indeos » Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:05 pm

SD_Film Artists wrote:
Indeos wrote:No, we shouldn't bother. Linguistic Darwinism will ensure only the best language or languages survives. The same should be applied to culture.


The problem is that governments get in the way of Linguistic Darwinism.


And? If a language can't withstand government intervention, it obviously isn't the/a "best language".
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Postby SD_Film Artists » Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:06 pm

Varazhdin wrote:
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Indeed, like politics, but for gods sake don't do it because of some misguided idea of having a unique ethnicity.


Excuse me, but don't know of any other people on Earth to have the same name for themselves like my people.

Btw., what is your going definition of ethnicity anyway?


What is your people's name?

And that depends; but I'd say whichever brand of ethnicity that makes people believe that they are different, by birthright, from their naughbours. As in, separatism.

Though having said that, there can be economic grounds on why a group of people would want to distance themselves from another state/people.
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Postby Tim-Opolis » Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:06 pm

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Risottia wrote:Nah. It's an oversimplified language. And with an ugly sound.


Aww come on, I'd say that German , Korean and the two Chinese langauges are much worse sounding. Although German may be just unfortunate, since most westerners hear it from WW2 films/games.

Welsh sounds nice, but is a bitch to pronounce and put on signs


...not that it is a language :p



I disagree.. German and chinese both sound cool... so does Korean...

English is just a moshpit of all languages molded together into a disgusting parasitic beast
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Postby Indeos » Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:07 pm

Varazhdin wrote:
SD_Film Artists wrote:
The problem is that governments get in the way of Linguistic Darwinism.


Darwinism of any kind doesn't apply to humans.


Hilariously false, or perhaps misguided. Biological Darwinism is the only reason we even exist, Social/Cultural Darwinism is why we exist in the society we exist in, and Linguistic Darwinism is why we speak the language we speak.
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Postby H-Alba » Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:08 pm

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I'm sorry, but as an ethnic Scottish Gael, who is proud of his heritage and language I would prefer you to not insult my culture and ancestors. It was our way of life, we were happy and content, the English and Lowlanders had no right to subjugate and try to obliterate a culture


How was it obliterated? If anything it grew larger- what with bagpipes being played in Hong Kong..


Bagpipes have spread for two reasons. The first is the British Army used them, spreading them, and the second is the highlanders who were forced out of their own homes and often left the country rather than go to England or the lowlands. I don't see how that's a great thing, and small aspects of cultures survive, even aspects of Roman Culture have survived. But large parts of the Gaelic culture was obliterated, the way of life.
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Postby SD_Film Artists » Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:09 pm

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SD_Film Artists wrote:
Aww come on, I'd say that German , Korean and the two Chinese langauges are much worse sounding. Although German may be just unfortunate, since most westerners hear it from WW2 films/games.

Welsh sounds nice, but is a bitch to pronounce and put on signs


...not that it is a language :p



I disagree.. German and chinese both sound cool... so does Korean...

English is just a moshpit of all languages molded together into a disgusting parasitic beast


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Postby SD_Film Artists » Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:10 pm

H-Alba wrote:
SD_Film Artists wrote:
How was it obliterated? If anything it grew larger- what with bagpipes being played in Hong Kong..


Bagpipes have spread for two reasons. The first is the British Army used them, spreading them, and the second is the highlanders who were forced out of their own homes and often left the country rather than go to England or the lowlands. I don't see how that's a great thing, and small aspects of cultures survive, even aspects of Roman Culture have survived. But large parts of the Gaelic culture was obliterated, the way of life.


The British Army used them, how is that not a good thing? It would have been much worse to have just whitewashed Scottish culture from history.
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Postby Varazhdin » Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:13 pm

Indeos wrote:
Varazhdin wrote:
Darwinism of any kind doesn't apply to humans.


Hilariously false, or perhaps misguided. Biological Darwinism is the only reason we even exist, Social/Cultural Darwinism is why we exist in the society we exist in, and Linguistic Darwinism is why we speak the language we speak.


Just because it happened, doesn't mean it should have.

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Postby SD_Film Artists » Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:14 pm

Varazhdin wrote:
Indeos wrote:
Hilariously false, or perhaps misguided. Biological Darwinism is the only reason we even exist, Social/Cultural Darwinism is why we exist in the society we exist in, and Linguistic Darwinism is why we speak the language we speak.


Just because it happened, doesn't mean it should have.


Why not?
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Postby H-Alba » Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:15 pm

SD_Film Artists wrote:
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Bagpipes have spread for two reasons. The first is the British Army used them, spreading them, and the second is the highlanders who were forced out of their own homes and often left the country rather than go to England or the lowlands. I don't see how that's a great thing, and small aspects of cultures survive, even aspects of Roman Culture have survived. But large parts of the Gaelic culture was obliterated, the way of life.


British Army used them, how is that not a good thing?


The way they spread, not the fact they used them. They only spread because another country / in union with the country of orgin used them, not because the Gaelic culture spread out.
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Postby Indeos » Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:15 pm

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Hilariously false, or perhaps misguided. Biological Darwinism is the only reason we even exist, Social/Cultural Darwinism is why we exist in the society we exist in, and Linguistic Darwinism is why we speak the language we speak.


Just because it happened, doesn't mean it should have.


You said "doesn't", for one thing. And considering Darwinism is one of the governing laws of nature, I don't think you have much of a basis for claiming it shouldn't apply to humanity and its creations.
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Postby Conscentia » Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:16 pm

Indeos wrote:
Varazhdin wrote:
Darwinism of any kind doesn't apply to humans.


Hilariously false, or perhaps misguided. Biological Darwinism is the only reason we even exist, Social/Cultural Darwinism is why we exist in the society we exist in, and Linguistic Darwinism is why we speak the language we speak.


Social Darwinism is long discredited, sir. Don't fall for Fascist* ideas.

*Social Darwinism is a tenet of Fascism.

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Postby Varazhdin » Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:16 pm

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Excuse me, but don't know of any other people on Earth to have the same name for themselves like my people.

Btw., what is your going definition of ethnicity anyway?


What is your people's name?

And that depends; but I'd say whichever brand of ethnicity that makes people believe that they are different, by birthright, from their naughbours. As in, separatism.

Though having said that, there can be economic grounds on why a group of people would want to distance themselves from another state/people.


If you so want to know, I'm a Croat (Hrvat).

According to encyclopaedia, ethnicity is belonging to agroup that identifies itself by a common name and a common, real or presumed, ancestry, and is defined through blood-descent.

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Postby Lucent Dawn » Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:17 pm

It's worth saving languages to examine them as possible evidence to further group the major langugage families, as well as to preserve cultural diversity and not let us fall into a world of the monotone modern culture we seem to be headed towards.
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