NATION

PASSWORD

Dying Languages

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)

Advertisement

Remove ads

User avatar
Robert Magoo
Minister
 
Posts: 2927
Founded: Apr 22, 2011
Anarchy

Postby Robert Magoo » Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:11 am

It is slightly bothersome, but I certainly don't want government to get involved in "protecting" languages...
Economic Left/Right: 3.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.33

Moral Compass- Rationalist (Q1): 8,9.9

Build up your wealth and give it away, but don't let the state take it. Help those in need and love your neighbor as yourself.

User avatar
MC United
Envoy
 
Posts: 245
Founded: Jan 05, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby MC United » Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:11 am

I think they should develop translation apps for the dying languages so they can communicate with their neighbors without needing to use the neighbor language. Or if all the apps translate into English and back then one app can translate from Dying Language A into English and the other from English to Dying Language B. Dying languages could then still be used. Probably wont capture all the shades of meaning but oh well, cant have everything.
"I prefer the company of peasants because they have not been educated sufficiently to reason incorrectly." -- Michel de Montaigne

"A woman is only a woman, but a good Cigar is a Smoke." -- Kipling

"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left." -- Ecclesiastes 10:2.

User avatar
Equimanthon
Diplomat
 
Posts: 589
Founded: May 22, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Equimanthon » Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:16 am

Tsa-la-gi Nation wrote:Is that what the Scotts think? Tha fact that they had to submit to English rule makes the survival of their language that much more important to them, I would think.


Submit to English rule? Their king became our king, not the other way round, and their parliament voted to unite as a country with us. Learn your history from books, not Braveheart.
Eternal Yerushalayim wrote:Labour deserves the skeleton of Ramsay Macdonald as its leader.

User avatar
Vunaxtax
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 164
Founded: Dec 11, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Vunaxtax » Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:17 am

I know that mostly tribal languages in South America and Africa are now almost extinct because they made their own language for their tribes or clans. In fact when a language dies they call it Languagecide. Death of a language. I know this man in Ireland spoken a language similar to English and the language was called Yula and when the last person of thier family had died of old age. The language went with him to heaven or should I say Language Heaven where all languages go when they die XD. But really it's true! Latin is extcint now and now dialects and tribal languages are now becoming extinct. I made up my own language called Bettaese which is Japanese and French combine. My main goal is to make another common spoken language in the whole world. But I'm also worried about it becoming extinct! I hope my language dosen't become extinct. :(

User avatar
H-Alba
Minister
 
Posts: 2625
Founded: Dec 04, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby H-Alba » Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:20 am

Equimanthon wrote:
Tsa-la-gi Nation wrote:Is that what the Scotts think? Tha fact that they had to submit to English rule makes the survival of their language that much more important to them, I would think.


Submit to English rule? Their king became our king, not the other way round, and their parliament voted to unite as a country with us. Learn your history from books, not Braveheart.


… England invaded us before the Stewarts became the Royal Family of England as well. Perhaps you should be the one to read a history book? During the second and third interregnum of the Scottish Royal Family the English had occupied Scotland, and set up their own lords and nobles. Why did the Scottish Parliament vote to unite as a country? Because they were Lowlanders, ethnically similar to the English, and culturally identical in nearly every aspect. Not very fair for the highlanders and gaels, now was it?
I serve Queen and Country

User avatar
Vunaxtax
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 164
Founded: Dec 11, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Vunaxtax » Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:22 am

Anyway you ever heard of a made language which is spoken around the world called Espenrato or something. I forget how to spell it but i know a similar language to it called Ezo and is another most spoken made up language in the world too. In fact the movie Avatar the Navi who spoke the Nav'i actually is another made up language made by professer at college somewhere in the USA.

User avatar
Andaluciae
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5766
Founded: Antiquity
Ex-Nation

Postby Andaluciae » Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:22 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:I don't think we should be saving languages, we should be working towards exterminating more of them.


Why?

And only if we start with the bastard language of English. Really, germanic structure with romance words, ugh.


That's what's so wonderful about English. Given a couple more centuries, and it will be so diluted, that it will no longer belong to anyone.
FreeAgency wrote:Shellfish eating used to be restricted to dens of sin such as Red Lobster and Long John Silvers, but now days I cannot even take my children to a public restaurant anymore (even the supposedly "family friendly ones") without risking their having to watch some deranged individual flaunting his sin...

User avatar
Zarvarza
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 354
Founded: Sep 19, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Zarvarza » Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:24 am

.
.
For all those who said they should preserve those old languages, please then start doing your part and learning one of them. The fact is unless you learn it, your not going to perserve anything, Language is in the hands of the people who speak it.

I, for one, support a singular Global Language, and most likely Mandarin will replace English as the Global Language by centuries end.

User avatar
Vunaxtax
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 164
Founded: Dec 11, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Vunaxtax » Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:26 am

okay thats is what i know about languages and made up languages. :) So i'm going to go back to BYOND and play the game Sunday the 19th. aka my favorite on BYOND! >:) I think thats really enough that I said on this forum because I really don't want to spam. :S Anyway later guys! :D

User avatar
Varazhdin
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 420
Founded: Jul 24, 2008
Ex-Nation

Postby Varazhdin » Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:29 am

Zarvarza wrote:.
.
For all those who said they should preserve those old languages, please then start doing your part and learning one of them. The fact is unless you learn it, your not going to perserve anything, Language is in the hands of the people who speak it.

I, for one, support a singular Global Language, and most likely Mandarin will replace English as the Global Language by centuries end.


But there's not much point in other people learning it if the original speaker group loses it. Then it's pretty much just as dead.

User avatar
Spartan Philidelphia
Minister
 
Posts: 2222
Founded: Sep 12, 2008
Ex-Nation

Postby Spartan Philidelphia » Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:31 am

Varazhdin wrote:
Zarvarza wrote:.
.
For all those who said they should preserve those old languages, please then start doing your part and learning one of them. The fact is unless you learn it, your not going to perserve anything, Language is in the hands of the people who speak it.

I, for one, support a singular Global Language, and most likely Mandarin will replace English as the Global Language by centuries end.


But there's not much point in other people learning it if the original speaker group loses it. Then it's pretty much just as dead.


Then I guess there's no point in learning any languages. All the original speakers are dead now. ;)
Spartan Philidelphia
Region: Sparta
[Defunct] National Corporation:
The Spartan Philidelphia Almost Anything Corporation
Leader: Luigi Mario
National Religion: Pastafarianism
Population: 50,420,000

Thank you all powerful moderators who were sent by Max Barry to protect us from all things spammy and trollish.

User avatar
Angleter
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 12359
Founded: Apr 27, 2008
Ex-Nation

Postby Angleter » Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:32 am

MC United wrote:I think they should develop translation apps for the dying languages so they can communicate with their neighbors without needing to use the neighbor language. Or if all the apps translate into English and back then one app can translate from Dying Language A into English and the other from English to Dying Language B. Dying languages could then still be used. Probably wont capture all the shades of meaning but oh well, cant have everything.


I don't think the speakers of these sorts of languages tend to have smartphones.
[align=center]"I gotta tell you, this is just crazy, huh! This is just nuts, OK! Jeezo man."

User avatar
The Blaatschapen
Technical Moderator
 
Posts: 62658
Founded: Antiquity
Anarchy

Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:37 am

Angleter wrote:
MC United wrote:I think they should develop translation apps for the dying languages so they can communicate with their neighbors without needing to use the neighbor language. Or if all the apps translate into English and back then one app can translate from Dying Language A into English and the other from English to Dying Language B. Dying languages could then still be used. Probably wont capture all the shades of meaning but oh well, cant have everything.


I don't think the speakers of these sorts of languages tend to have smartphones.


Besides, then Apple can just block a certain language its translator app from its store and thus isolate the language. And only because the language did not have a word for iPad :(
1. The Last Tech Modling
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8. Size matters. Bigger is forbidden and won't give the mods pleasure.

User avatar
Great New Albion
Attaché
 
Posts: 80
Founded: Apr 29, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Great New Albion » Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:37 am

I think we should save dying languages. A language is a different way of thinking and a crucial component of it's culture. Diversity in the world is important.

Arguably languages are in fact no longer dying out naturally because they are unneeded. They're dying because of the pressures of globalism. The fact that half the worlds languages are expected to die by 2100 illustrates this.

User avatar
Hippostania
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 8826
Founded: Nov 23, 2008
Ex-Nation

Postby Hippostania » Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:38 am

We need less languages, not more. Globalization requires that all citizens of Earth should have at least basic knowledge of the current lingua franca, and if your native language is some endangered hoolaboogistan language, it's going to make learning English a lot more difficult.
My idea is if you can't find a McDonald's website in your language, then your language is useless and it should die out.
Last edited by Hippostania on Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:40 am, edited 3 times in total.
Factbook - New Embassy Program
Economic Right: 10.00 - Social Authoritarian: 2.87 - Foreign Policy Neoconservative: 9.54 - Cultural Liberal: -1.14
For: market liberalism, capitalism, eurofederalism, neoconservatism, British unionism, atlanticism, LGB rights, abortion rights, Greater Israel, Pan-Western federalism, NATO, USA, EU
Against: communism, socialism, anarchism, eurosceptism, agrarianism, Swiss/Irish/Scottish/Welsh independence, cultural relativism, all things Russian, aboriginal/native American special rights

Hippo's Political Party Rankings (updated 21/7/2013)

User avatar
Zarvarza
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 354
Founded: Sep 19, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Zarvarza » Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:40 am

Hippostania wrote:We need less languages, not more. Globalization requires that all citizens of Earth should have at least basic knowledge of the current lingua franca, and if your native language is some endangered hoolaboogistan language, it's going to make learning English a lot more difficult.
My idea is if you can't find a McDonald's website in your language, then your language is useless and it should die out.


Very True

User avatar
SD_Film Artists
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 13399
Founded: Jun 10, 2009
Ex-Nation

Postby SD_Film Artists » Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:41 am

Varazhdin wrote:
SD_Film Artists wrote:
But why keep diversity? It only leads it an 'us and them' mentality.


So? You say it like it's a bad thing.


Of course it's a bad thing, it leads to racism.
Lurking NSG since 2005
Economic Left/Right: -2.62, Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.67

When anybody preaches disunity, tries to pit one of us against each other through class warfare, race hatred, or religious intolerance, you know that person seeks to rob us of our freedom and destroy our very lives.

User avatar
Varazhdin
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 420
Founded: Jul 24, 2008
Ex-Nation

Postby Varazhdin » Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:41 am

Great New Albion wrote:I think we should save dying languages. A language is a different way of thinking and a crucial component of it's culture. Diversity in the world is important.

Arguably languages are in fact no longer dying out naturally because they are unneeded. They're dying because of the pressures of globalism. The fact that half the worlds languages are expected to die by 2100 illustrates this.


You have my complete approval.

User avatar
Varazhdin
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 420
Founded: Jul 24, 2008
Ex-Nation

Postby Varazhdin » Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:42 am

SD_Film Artists wrote:
Varazhdin wrote:
So? You say it like it's a bad thing.


Of course it's a bad thing, it leads to racism.


I suppose that the fact that the human species has two sexes leads to sexism?

User avatar
MC United
Envoy
 
Posts: 245
Founded: Jan 05, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby MC United » Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:44 am

Angleter wrote:
MC United wrote:I think they should develop translation apps for the dying languages so they can communicate with their neighbors without needing to use the neighbor language. Or if all the apps translate into English and back then one app can translate from Dying Language A into English and the other from English to Dying Language B. Dying languages could then still be used. Probably wont capture all the shades of meaning but oh well, cant have everything.


I don't think the speakers of these sorts of languages tend to have smartphones.


But they can be supplied with them. Just think of the positive publicity!
"I prefer the company of peasants because they have not been educated sufficiently to reason incorrectly." -- Michel de Montaigne

"A woman is only a woman, but a good Cigar is a Smoke." -- Kipling

"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left." -- Ecclesiastes 10:2.

User avatar
SD_Film Artists
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 13399
Founded: Jun 10, 2009
Ex-Nation

Postby SD_Film Artists » Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:46 am

Varazhdin wrote:
Conscentia wrote:
I disagree - the purpose of language is communication, hence easier communication is the perfect reason.

Language is not an element of identity - it is a means of communication. No one ever identified themselves by language. What matters is what the words mean - not what they are.


Yes it is,
because different people speak different languages. Language is a simbol of identity just like pretty much anything else that makes one person different from another person, like colour of persons house, or his favourite kind of music. Of course, it would be much simpler if we all lived in identical houses, ate identical food, or listen to identical music, but we don't do that.


Except that Languages isn't representative of personality/lifestyle.
Lurking NSG since 2005
Economic Left/Right: -2.62, Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.67

When anybody preaches disunity, tries to pit one of us against each other through class warfare, race hatred, or religious intolerance, you know that person seeks to rob us of our freedom and destroy our very lives.

User avatar
SD_Film Artists
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 13399
Founded: Jun 10, 2009
Ex-Nation

Postby SD_Film Artists » Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:48 am

Varazhdin wrote:
SD_Film Artists wrote:
Of course it's a bad thing, it leads to racism.


I suppose that the fact that the human species has two sexes leads to sexism?


It can do, but not in this context; as it's a fact that women are different from men, but it's not a fact that your neighbour with the red flag is ethnically different from you with the blue flag.
Last edited by SD_Film Artists on Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:53 am, edited 4 times in total.
Lurking NSG since 2005
Economic Left/Right: -2.62, Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.67

When anybody preaches disunity, tries to pit one of us against each other through class warfare, race hatred, or religious intolerance, you know that person seeks to rob us of our freedom and destroy our very lives.

User avatar
Equimanthon
Diplomat
 
Posts: 589
Founded: May 22, 2010
Ex-Nation

Postby Equimanthon » Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:49 am

H-Alba wrote:… England invaded us before the Stewarts became the Royal Family of England as well. Perhaps you should be the one to read a history book? During the second and third interregnum of the Scottish Royal Family the English had occupied Scotland, and set up their own lords and nobles. Why did the Scottish Parliament vote to unite as a country? Because they were Lowlanders, ethnically similar to the English, and culturally identical in nearly every aspect. Not very fair for the highlanders and gaels, now was it?


Yes, what a shame that those poor, apelike mountaindwelling highland cavemen had to come and live in cities like proper human beings and learn a real language, so sad.
Eternal Yerushalayim wrote:Labour deserves the skeleton of Ramsay Macdonald as its leader.

User avatar
SD_Film Artists
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 13399
Founded: Jun 10, 2009
Ex-Nation

Postby SD_Film Artists » Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:52 am

Equimanthon wrote:
H-Alba wrote:… England invaded us before the Stewarts became the Royal Family of England as well. Perhaps you should be the one to read a history book? During the second and third interregnum of the Scottish Royal Family the English had occupied Scotland, and set up their own lords and nobles. Why did the Scottish Parliament vote to unite as a country? Because they were Lowlanders, ethnically similar to the English, and culturally identical in nearly every aspect. Not very fair for the highlanders and gaels, now was it?


Yes, what a shame that those poor, apelike mountaindwelling highland cavemen had to come and live in cities like proper human beings and learn a real language, so sad.


Barbaric, not apelike ;)
Lurking NSG since 2005
Economic Left/Right: -2.62, Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.67

When anybody preaches disunity, tries to pit one of us against each other through class warfare, race hatred, or religious intolerance, you know that person seeks to rob us of our freedom and destroy our very lives.

User avatar
Forsakia
Minister
 
Posts: 3076
Founded: Nov 14, 2005
Ex-Nation

Postby Forsakia » Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:55 am

H-Alba wrote:
Equimanthon wrote:
Submit to English rule? Their king became our king, not the other way round, and their parliament voted to unite as a country with us. Learn your history from books, not Braveheart.


… England invaded us before the Stewarts became the Royal Family of England as well. Perhaps you should be the one to read a history book? During the second and third interregnum of the Scottish Royal Family the English had occupied Scotland, and set up their own lords and nobles. Why did the Scottish Parliament vote to unite as a country? Because they were Lowlanders, ethnically similar to the English, and culturally identical in nearly every aspect. Not very fair for the highlanders and gaels, now was it?


Are you really trying to push the idea of a genetic difference?
Member of Arch's fan club.

PreviousNext

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Grinning Dragon, The Pirateariat, The Selkie

Advertisement

Remove ads