How would you calm down the town halll protesters

[Redwulf]

At least 15 million of you are illegals and don't count. Many more of your 50 million would probably like to spend their money on something else besides healthcare.

You never did source that number . . .

I don't think I need to. The side that wants the bill should have the burden of proof.

The side that wants the bill HAS sourced their number. You are arguing that the number is HIGHER. Please link to a source for your 15 million claim or stop making it.

[Kynchile]

The side that wants the bill HAS sourced their number. You are arguing that the number is HIGHER. Please link to a source for your 15 million claim or stop making it.

Tell me how many do you think there is? Once you do I will give you many sources. Until then....

[Nethrezar]

you mean like cabinet positions? which aren't and have never been elective?

you voted the guy in, you have to deal with his choices of cabinet members and supreme court justices and the like. if you don't like it, vote him out of office. or are you suggesting that democracy did a fail again?

I sure as hell did NOT vote for Obama, and I cannot wait until 2012 when I have the chance to vote him out!

[Trippoli]

It's a shame these people don't know what they are protesting about.. Just a bunch of redneck mccain supporters trying to oppose Obama.

[Grave_n_idle]

I'd say Listen you didn't set up an appointment and other people want peace so shut your trap and be civilized. That should shut them up

Set a test.

Entry into the area/room is based on your ability to show you have even the vaguest relationship to reality.

[Mad hatters in jeans]

you mean like cabinet positions? which aren't and have never been elective?

you voted the guy in, you have to deal with his choices of cabinet members and supreme court justices and the like. if you don't like it, vote him out of office. or are you suggesting that democracy did a fail again?

I sure as hell did NOT vote for Obama, and I cannot wait until 2012 when I have the chance to vote him out!

you are an American voter but has the Scottish flag, why?

[Trippoli]

you mean like cabinet positions? which aren't and have never been elective?

you voted the guy in, you have to deal with his choices of cabinet members and supreme court justices and the like. if you don't like it, vote him out of office. or are you suggesting that democracy did a fail again?

I sure as hell did NOT vote for Obama, and I cannot wait until 2012 when I have the chance to vote him out!

Care to give us some reasons why besides Obama being born in Kenya, and being a communists?

[Taeshan]

I would just throw out the ones that are being rude.

[The Imperial Navy]

With lots of Sarin Nerve gas. *nod*

[KaIashnikov]

[Dyakovo]

No don't you see, by criticizing the Republicans, you must support the Democrats completely. This is because there are only two possible choices, absolute support for the Republicans, or absolute support for the Democrats. There are no other possible choices.

Right...
That's why I am in favor of Health care reform and a member of the NRA...

You're a centrist?

I think so...

According to the political compass thingy I'm pretty left-wing...

[Robustian]

I'd say Listen you didn't set up an appointment and other people want peace so shut your trap and be civilized. That should shut them up

You have it all wrong.

If you want some less irate protestors... Tell the president and Congress and Democrat Party, and all their hired thugs to STOP LYING!

[Dempublicents1]

Not even close, if you paid attention to the above link, you would find that alot more people abstain and alot less now approve of the healthcare plan.

...which doesn't change the fact that there are different levels of opposition. There are those who are opposed to any and all of the proposals and there are people opposed to parts of it. There are people who are opposed to the current proposals because they actually want a single payer system. There are people opposed because they think a different strategy should be tried. And so on...

No one is suggesting that anyone is silenced. We're just saying they should be civil when they speak.

Yet Having Congresswomen saying they have to use "Their Mother's voices" is more civil as the people saying "Kill This bill!"? Highly hypocritical that One person can be allowed to dumb down hundreds who are protesting against them.

Allowing others to speak is more civil than screaming them down, yes.

But, guess what? I don't feel the need to go throw a temper tantrum and act like a child. I'm not painting swastikas on anyone's property, nor am I disrupting meetings with other purposes to voice my concerns.

Does it even concern you that it was only one senator out of 99 others? I don't see Capitol hill having a Giant Swastika painted on it. If it is as Childish as you claim, why has it happened to the only Senator who accused the protesters of "hijacking the meeting" even when a solid majority of the people of Douglassview's questions were against the bill and vented just as much as the protesters?

Actually, he's a congressman. And you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. The meeting had nothing whatsoever to do with health care, and most of the attendees didn't try to make it about health care. The meeting was about a proposed widening of Highway 92. Many of the attendees own property along the portion of the road that is to be widened and the purpose of the meeting was to give them a forum to have their questions about that process answered. They need to know how their homes and businesses will be appraised, how they will be reimbursed, etc. The people who came in to ask about healthcare were hijacking the meeting, and preventing the people of Douglasville - people who had serious and immediate concerns that were relevant to the meeting at hand - from having the time they needed with their elected officials. As Scott pointed out, he's holding a town hall meeting of his own and it will be appropriate for people to ask health care questions then.

Of course, since people have a big messiah complex when they are treated like the children they act like, people got all up in arms about it as if he had just shouted down a constituent and wouldn't listen to their concerns. So he's now the target of bullshit like the swastika. Of course, he's been getting letters with racial epithets for a while.

I already know of the situation, see above.

Clearly not. If you did, you wouldn't have put "hijacking the meeting" in scare quotes, nor would you have made a comment about the opinion of the "majority of Douglasville" - given that the meeting was not about health care. There was no way, from that meeting, to gauge the opinion of the majority of Douglasville on an issue unrelated to the meeting at hand.

And freedom of speech doesn't cover vandalism, but it does cover protesters and other people who are acting "childish" at these meetings. Looking people down only inflames them more, I can say that you are "childish" for disagreeing with me, is that fair to you?

Freedom of speech allows people to say things. It doesn't shield them from criticism.

[Moreau Catholic High]

I'd say Listen you didn't set up an appointment and other people want peace so shut your trap and be civilized. That should shut them up

You have it all wrong.

If you want some less irate protestors... Tell the president and Congress and Democrat Party, and all their hired thugs to STOP LYING!

Right, because constantly spouting the fact that there are "death panels" in the reform bill when it has been consistently demonstrated there is no such provision for such a thing is totally honest. Physically challenging people who disagree with you is totally un-thuggish. Putting out a document instructing people how to harass and annoy your congressman and fake having a majority is totally honest.

[Dempublicents1]

I understand that there are different levels of opposition, and that it is therefore unlikely that the vocal minority truly represents all of those who are opposed. Meanwhile, 52%? Statistically, that's basically dead-even.

Incorrect. If the 52% was representative of the whole population that is more than 12 million people AGAINST this bill than for it. Of course when they disagree with you, 12 million are nothing.

You are aware that any poll has a margin of error, right? When I say that such a number is statistically dead even, I'm pointing out the fact that, for most polls, 2% is well within the margin of error, which means that 52% is indistinguishable from 50%.

[The Black Forrest]

Simple.

Anybody can speak but they have to take a bong hit first.

[Phenia]

I'd say Listen you didn't set up an appointment and other people want peace so shut your trap and be civilized. That should shut them up

You have it all wrong.

If you want some less irate protestors... Tell the president and Congress and Democrat Party, and all their hired thugs to STOP LYING!

What lie are you referring to? The one about Obama not being an American citizen? The one about him being Communist or even Socialist? The one about "death panels?" The one about Democrats and their "hired thugs" being "Obama brownshirts" and Nazis?

Someone needs to stop lying, and to stop repeating lies. That someone would be you.

[Dempublicents1]

I'd say Listen you didn't set up an appointment and other people want peace so shut your trap and be civilized. That should shut them up

You have it all wrong.

If you want some less irate protestors... Tell the president and Congress and Democrat Party, and all their hired thugs to STOP LYING!

Why do so many people seem to want to believe that lying, not listening, etc. is a property solely or even primarily of the Democrat party? We're talking about politicians here. It doesn't matter what party they happen to be in. Republican congressmen/senators are just as shady and just as unlikely to listen to their constituents.

And the same is true of non-politician ideologues. Emails and such that get sent out from both sides on a regular basis are full of misinformation. It's usually pretty easily debunked, but the ideologues don't want to hear it. Personally, I can honestly say that I've received more dishonest and/or completely incorrect information from the "conservative" side than their opposition. Might just be the area I live in or the people I know, but it's been the truth of my experience.

[Eternal Mysteries]

Use a TAZER on anyone that displays a decibel level over 50. Then make them eat 5 grams of dried psilocybe. Taze them every 60 minutes to enhance their new found understanding of reality.

After you could just drag them into the streets to fend for themselves or find their way home.

It will be of no consequence since the new Health system will gladly provide them bed space at the local asylum.

[Dyakovo]

I'd say Listen you didn't set up an appointment and other people want peace so shut your trap and be civilized. That should shut them up

You have it all wrong.

If you want some less irate protestors... Tell the president and Congress and Democrat Party, and all their hired thugs to STOP LYING!

Right... Their the ones who are lying...

[Intangelon]

Just on the record, I can hardly see how this is a "Legislation by tantrum" when a solid majority of people are against this bill. This isn't Legislation by Majority, this is Legislation being force fed down American throats, and most are pushing back, concerned, and enraged that hardly anyone in Congress read all 1000 pages.

And we are supposed to act "civil"? The one thing that the people can't stand is to be talked down upon by their own representatives. How would you like for your Congressperson to say "Sorry, but we are better and understand the problem, your opinion against this matter is not important". The only "3-year olds" in this situation are the Congresspeople, wining about how the people that voted for them exercise their free speech in front of their noses.

Maybe Senator Mccaskill will have to use her "mother's voice" more often when addressing a crowd now.

I've yet to see that substantiated. How many is "hardly anyone" -- or is this another fabricated generalization designed to sow the seeds of doubt?

[Intangelon]

I understand that there are different levels of opposition, and that it is therefore unlikely that the vocal minority truly represents all of those who are opposed. Meanwhile, 52%? Statistically, that's basically dead-even.

Incorrect. If the 52% was representative of the whole population that is more than 12 million people AGAINST this bill than for it. Of course when they disagree with you, 12 million are nothing.

If.

[Allbeama]

I think you're proposing this,



http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761580055/Bloody_Sunday_(Russia).html

Peaceful protesters shot because the Czar didn't like what they were protesting about....Is the US becoming Imperial Russaia?!

Angry shouting and carrying a gun openly are not examples of peaceful protesting so I think the analogy is weak.

[Allbeama]

Honestly if there was a way to get them to be reasonable I would be surprised. Reasonable isn't in these peoples' vocabulary except as a defined evil that threatens their world view.

[Intangelon]

Oh of course not, just startingfights; hanging congressmen in effigy; starting shouting matches;acting threateningly; painting swastikas on congressmen's signs

Totally rational and well-behaved.

Odd don't you think, that all of these events were in response, to what these congress people said? A fine example is Senator Mccaskill, who claimed she had to use "Her Mother's Voice when talking to [people], and [being highly disappointed]"...wow, that is acting very mature in front of a crowd of angry protesters.

So one person saying something like that demands vandalism? Interesting quid-pro-quo you've got there. Are words also fair to answer with fists in your world?