How would you calm down the town halll protesters

[Dempublicents1]

The basic progression of the Public Health Care option would be to blot out Private Health Care by putting them out of business.

Sort of like how fed ex and ups are out of business?

[Antilon]

Keep believing that. Republicans had 12 years to do healthcare reform their way. They chose to do nothing. Because that's what they stand for: Nothing.

The democrats have controlled the legislative branch since 2006 and nobody considered us to be in a emergency with our healthcare until the President said so. The Republicans had control for 6 years including the year of 9/11/2001 and all the business that followed.

Most Americans genuinley feel there are bigger problems out there then expanding the current goverment.

I agree, the Democrats are not innocent nor blameless (and quite possibly dead guilty, although this is based on my own suspicions). But as you stated, the Republicans did have a chance (6 years worth of time) to do something, yet still did not.

The problem with what "Most Americans think are bigger problems" doesn't necessarily translate to being fact, or for that matter right.

[Bottle]

Keep believing that. Republicans had 12 years to do healthcare reform their way. They chose to do nothing. Because that's what they stand for: Nothing.

The democrats have controlled the legislative branch since 2006 and nobody considered us to be in a emergency with our healthcare until the President said so.

O rly?

Dude, I did a quick google of "2006 democratic party platform health care" and came up with hits right off the bat. The freaking TEXAN Democrats said, in their platform, that "The current American health care system is failing the American people," and "Texas Democrats support comprehensive reform to provide guaranteed access to affordable health care for all Texans and Texas small businesses." And that's goddam TEXAS, so just imagine what the queers in Massachusetts were saying.

Don't get me wrong, the Democrats are failures in most things, but it's BS to claim that they haven't been harping on the need for health care reform for years. They have, they just suck at getting shit done.

[Tekania]

I'd say Listen you didn't set up an appointment and other people want peace so shut your trap and be civilized. That should shut them up

Or, you can shoot them in the head.

They will be VERY calm then, won't say a peep...

[Intangelon]

People say how the Government is a failure and yet they want to put their health in the hands of the Government?!

My gut feeling (admitted up front) is that the most outspoken people against health care reform, citing government's poor performance on other things, as also the same ones loudly crying, "America is the greatest nation on Earth!"

How can that be? How can the US be great at anything, given that it's government is incapable, incompetent, pitiful, and pathetic? To note the MANY things that the US government does so abysmally, why have we not just disintegrated and self-imploded many, many years ago? How could We The People continually allowed such a bunch manage our nation and our Treasury decade after decade after decade?

Or is this _really_ a case of, "Well, maybe they're not that bad"?

Ah, a liberal with the "America is weak" mentality, surprise, surprise. America is superior militarily and economically to any other nation and that is a fact, you can't dispute it, you can't say it's Conservative lies. It's a fact. Look at the statistics.

Is that really the only way to measure greatness? The military? Nobody is saying "we've got the greatest military on Earth" -- they're saying "we're the greatest NATION on Earth". Can you see the difference without resorting to parroting another Hannity-ism? I've never heard ANYone say "America is weak". Things need fixing, reform, or other attention, but who's used the word or the implication of "weakness", aside from having it fabricated from whole cloth by those looking to discredit people actually seeking to improve what needs improvement?

But you're right about one thing: it isn't conservative lies. It's one step short: misinformation and misdirection designed to mislead and upset their supporters into acting irrationally out of imagined "fear".

[Lunatic Goofballs]

The Republicanc controlled COngress from the beginning of 1995 to the beginning of 2007 and the White House from 2001-2009. In all that time, including 2001 to 2007 when they had both, they did exactly dick.

There has to be a problem first. You have to remember that since 1996 the US has seen unprecedented wealth and a very strong economy. Why fix something that so many people are happy with.

Do they have tacos in your version of reality?

[Treznor]

The Republicanc controlled COngress from the beginning of 1995 to the beginning of 2007 and the White House from 2001-2009. In all that time, including 2001 to 2007 when they had both, they did exactly dick.

There has to be a problem first. You have to remember that since 1996 the US has seen unprecedented wealth and a very strong economy. Why fix something that so many people are happy with.

Maybe because of people like myself and the 50 million like me who aren't happy with it. Some of us haven't been sharing in the wealth, particularly over the last eight years.

[Bowendur]

id just have my guards shoot them

[Kynchile]

The Republicanc controlled COngress from the beginning of 1995 to the beginning of 2007 and the White House from 2001-2009. In all that time, including 2001 to 2007 when they had both, they did exactly dick.

There has to be a problem first. You have to remember that since 1996 the US has seen unprecedented wealth and a very strong economy. Why fix something that so many people are happy with.

Maybe because of people like myself and the 50 million like me who aren't happy with it. Some of us haven't been sharing in the wealth, particularly over the last eight years.

I share the wealth every two weeks. Thats all I can afford, sorry.

[Neo Art]

Ah, a liberal with the "America is weak" mentality, surprise, surprise. America is superior militarily and economically to any other nation and that is a fact, you can't dispute it, you can't say it's Conservative lies. It's a fact. Look at the statistics.

I'm glad you think America is so great. Surely such a great nation, the "superior to any other nation" in fact, would have NO problem figuring out how to manage a public health care system that all those inferior nations have had for years, right?

In other words, you can't have it both ways. You think America is great? You think America is better than other countries? Then why the fuck do you think America can't do something AT LEAST as well as other countries have been doing for decades?

So which is it?

[Kynchile]

Maybe because of people like myself and the 50 million like me who aren't happy with it.

At least 15 million of you are illegals and don't count. Many more of your 50 million would probably like to spend their money on something else besides healthcare.

[Farnhamia]

Maybe because of people like myself and the 50 million like me who aren't happy with it.

At least 15 million of you are illegals and don't count. Many more of your 50 million would probably like to spend their money on something else besides healthcare.

15 million? Gee, I thought it was only around 11 million. And the ones who spend their money on something other than health care contribute to the high cost because when they fall off their mountain bikes or get into a car accident, their uninsured costs to the hospitals drives the cost up.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

Maybe because of people like myself and the 50 million like me who aren't happy with it.

At least 15 million of you are illegals and don't count. Many more of your 50 million would probably like to spend their money on something else besides healthcare.

Outright lie. There aren't even 15 million illegals in the country. There never has been. I sourced that and challenged you to refute it. Instead you ignored it and now respew the misinformation. It's now officially a lie. The bullshit flag goes up.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

Maybe because of people like myself and the 50 million like me who aren't happy with it.

At least 15 million of you are illegals and don't count. Many more of your 50 million would probably like to spend their money on something else besides healthcare.

15 million? Gee, I thought it was only around 11 million. And the ones who spend their money on something other than health care contribute to the high cost because when they fall off their mountain bikes or get into a car accident, their uninsured costs to the hospitals drives the cost up.

11 million total. I'm sure some of em have health insurance.

[Capfrania]

Ah, a liberal with the "America is weak" mentality, surprise, surprise. America is superior militarily and economically to any other nation and that is a fact, you can't dispute it, you can't say it's Conservative lies. It's a fact. Look at the statistics.

I'm glad you think America is so great. Surely such a great nation, the "superior to any other nation" in fact, would have NO problem figuring out how to manage a public health care system that all those inferior nations have had for years, right?

In other words, you can't have it both ways. You think America is great? You think America is better than other countries? Then why the fuck do you think America can't do something AT LEAST as well as other countries have been doing for decades?

So which is it?

At least as well as what? Have you seen the waiting periods for treatment in places like Canada or the UK?

And considering how horribly our government runs everything else, they should be having their responsibilities stripped away, not added on to.

[Dempublicents1]

Ah, a liberal with the "America is weak" mentality, surprise, surprise. America is superior militarily and economically to any other nation and that is a fact, you can't dispute it, you can't say it's Conservative lies. It's a fact. Look at the statistics.

I'm glad you think America is so great. Surely such a great nation, the "superior to any other nation" in fact, would have NO problem figuring out how to manage a public health care system that all those inferior nations have had for years, right?

In other words, you can't have it both ways. You think America is great? You think America is better than other countries? Then why the fuck do you think America can't do something AT LEAST as well as other countries have been doing for decades?

So which is it?

At least as well as what? Have you seen the waiting periods for treatment in places like Canada or the UK?

And considering how horribly our government runs everything else, they should be having their responsibilities stripped away, not added on to.

I've talked to people from places like Canada or the UK. They seem really surprised by how long *I* generally have to wait for an appointment here in the US.

[Neo Art]

Maybe because of people like myself and the 50 million like me who aren't happy with it.

At least 15 million of you are illegals and don't count. Many more of your 50 million would probably like to spend their money on something else besides healthcare.

15 million? Gee, I thought it was only around 11 million.

Not even. Of the uninsured in american, 80% are citizens. The remaining 20% is made up of non citizens, both illegal AND legal immigrants. At best, the number of uninsured in this country who are non citizens is about 9 million, less than 2/3 of this nonsensical "15 million" figure.

And that 9 million is ALL non citizens, legal and illegal immigrants alike. In fact, I'm willing to bet that it doesn't even include all illegal immigrants, as they have a tendancy to NOT show up in the census in the first place.

Source

[The Deus Corporation]

I would just kill anyone who spoke out against me.

[Farnhamia]

At least 15 million of you are illegals and don't count. Many more of your 50 million would probably like to spend their money on something else besides healthcare.

15 million? Gee, I thought it was only around 11 million. And the ones who spend their money on something other than health care contribute to the high cost because when they fall off their mountain bikes or get into a car accident, their uninsured costs to the hospitals drives the cost up.

11 million total. I'm sure some of em have health insurance.

Whew, good, because we don't have that many body bags ... hmm, if we deny them any health care whatsoever and I invest in the manufacturers of body bags ... uhm, excuse me a second, I need to call my broker.

[Antilon]

At least as well as what? Have you seen the waiting periods for treatment in places like Canada or the UK?

And considering how horribly our government runs everything else, they should be having their responsibilities stripped away, not added on to.

http://www.afunnystuff.com/forumpics/notagain.jpg

Really? That's the best rebuttal you have? Can't you at least quote some statistics on the length of time for treatment??

[Neo Art]

At least as well as what? Have you seen the waiting periods for treatment in places like Canada or the UK?

Yeah, I have. Funny thing about that...at least as far as Canada goes...they're better than ours.

[Kynchile]

11 million total. I'm sure some of em have health insurance.

I call bullshit. How can you even know that there are only 11 million? Did they sign in? I'll go with my numbers. The good thing is that many are leaving for the greener pastures of home, now that the economy is down.

[Marcuslandia]

Maybe because of people like myself and the 50 million like me who aren't happy with it.

At least 15 million of you are illegals and don't count. Many more of your 50 million would probably like to spend their money on something else besides healthcare.

Wow. I didn't realize that picking lettuce paid so well that those illegals could afford PCs and internet connections, much less are literate enough in English such they can voice their opinions so well in forums like these. Couldn't detect the Hispanic background in their posts. (Otherwise how would we _know_ they were dissatisfied?)

BTW, where do you get that 15 million figure? Last I heard was just over 12 million.

[Farnhamia]

11 million total. I'm sure some of em have health insurance.

I call bullshit. How can you even know that there are only 11 million? Did they sign in? I'll go with my numbers. The good thing is that many are leaving for the greener pastures of home, now that the economy is down.

So by your logic, if we drive the economy down far enough, all of the illegal aliens will leave. That must be Obama's evil plan, to make the economy better so his non-citizen allies can rush into our great nation and ... well, I'm sure he's got a scheme to make money of the whoesale destruction they'll wreak. It's always about money, after all, isn't it?

[Lunatic Goofballs]

Fair enough. I would think that people would want to find out on their own instead of believing what the goverment is saying.

What did you do, count em?

No, I have been following this since several cities and states, especially California, have gone broke.

Many of the problems that deal with how expensive healthcare is should be solved before anymore talk of a bigger goverment run program continues.

If you'd like, I will repost the source: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/31/us/31 ... ner=rssnyt.

Where did your number come from?